Anti Islam rhetoric - on the rise ...

deravarra · 07-10-2010 12:38AM #1

Hi folks. Something I am very much aware of after reading comments in the Sky News website is the huge increase in anti - Islamic rhetoric. It's getting to a very nasty stage and I'm getting the feeling that it could go back to the 1930's and Germany.

Is it just the few, or do a lot of people have issues with normal, everyday muslims?

Echospace · 07-10-2010 12:40AM

It's not just muslims, there's a very anti-"any sort of organized religion" viewpoint these days as people start to realise 99% of it is bs.

AlmightyCushion · 07-10-2010 12:40AM

I hate all people equally.

Mr Benevolent · 07-10-2010 12:41AM

deravarra wrote: »

Hi folks. Something I am very much aware of after reading comments in the Sky News website is the huge increase in anti - Islamic rhetoric. It's getting to a very nasty stage and I'm getting the feeling that it could go back to the 1930's and Germany.

Is it just the few, or do a lot of people have issues with normal, everyday muslims?

Yes, the Sky News website - that should give you a clue that the Irish don't really care.

Teferi · 07-10-2010 12:42AM

Boards has travelled back in time to 2001.

TimeToShine · 07-10-2010 12:42AM

Ironic as there's an Islam convert website at the bottom right of the page

deravarra · 07-10-2010 12:44AM

Teferi wrote: »

Boards has travelled back in time to 2001.

Ahhh ... so you're saying that us Irish are about 10 years ahead of the brits?

deravarra · 07-10-2010 12:45AM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Ironic as there's an Islam convert website at the bottom right of the page

I dont see it ...

TimeToShine · 07-10-2010 12:45AM

It was there for me, I'm guessing they change every while.

knird evol · 07-10-2010 12:45AM

The islamics were treated very well in 1930s germany

deravarra · 07-10-2010 12:47AM

knird evol wrote: »

The islamics were treated very well in 1930s germany

Im talking about another ethnic group ..... **forehead smack**

Dudess · 07-10-2010 12:48AM

If you hate Islam the organised religion, and fanatical muslims, fair enough, but extending that hatred towards all who are muslims is ****ing horrible - and retarded.

deravarra · 07-10-2010 12:50AM

Dudess wrote: »

If you hate Islam the organised religion, and fanatical muslims, fair enough, but extending that hatred towards all who are muslims is ****ing horrible - and retarded.

i agree! I have seen people who do not support Israel in the middle east conflict being called "jihadists" and "terrorists", etc ...

Sharkey 10 · 07-10-2010 12:55AM

Dudess wrote: »

If you hate Islam the organised religion, and fanatical muslims, fair enough, but extending that hatred towards all who are muslims is ****ing horrible - and retarded.

I have a big problem with islam and not just radical islam. I cant hate people i just dont like their parts of their philosophy.
This is a double edged sword and there is alot of hypocrisy involved remember the time that danish magazine published pictures of mohamed , the reaction to that was ridiculous also more recently the reaction to the koran burning was awful.
Radical islam has to be adressed and not the way it is being at the moment

deravarra · 07-10-2010 01:01AM

Sharkey 10 wrote: »

I have a big problem with islam and not just radical islam. I cant hate people i just dont like their parts of their philosophy.
This is a double edged sword and there is alot of hypocrisy involved remember the time that danish magazine published pictures of mohamed , the reaction to that was ridiculous also more recently the reaction to the koran burning was awful.
Radical islam has to be adressed and not the way it is being at the moment

What I dont understand is people who dont understand the reaction of muslims to things like pictures of mohammed and the koran burning.

It's like punching someone, and then complaining when you've been hit back.

What is sacred to the muslims? God, his word (the Qur'an) and his messenger (Mohammed). So why piss people off by burning what is held sacred to the muslims? Why try to draw a nasty little picture of Mohammed? Freedom of speach? That's laughable. Freedom of speach does not give you the right to piss on what someone else holds sacred to them. Seriously, try and do something like that to Judaism in the middle of Jerusalem and see how peaceful Jews would be ... or the Hindus if you started digging into a cheeseburger

wonton · 07-10-2010 01:07AM

deravarra wrote: »

Is it just the few, or do a lot of people have issues with normal, everyday muslims?

where exactly is islam normal to you?

how about you go and live in a "normal" muslim country and see how you get on..........................try saudi arabia or yemen, i believe the age of consent is 9! go get yourself a nice normal 9 year old wife.........like mohammed did.

Morlar · 07-10-2010 01:10AM

deravarra wrote: »

What I dont understand is people who dont understand the reaction of muslims to things like pictures of mohammed and the koran burning.

It's like punching someone, and then complaining when you've been hit back.

What is sacred to the muslims? God, his word (the Qur'an) and his messenger (Mohammed). So why piss people off by burning what is held sacred to the muslims? Why try to draw a nasty little picture of Mohammed? Freedom of speach? That's laughable. Freedom of speach does not give you the right to piss on what someone else holds sacred to them. Seriously, try and do something like that to Judaism in the middle of Jerusalem and see how peaceful Jews would be ... or the Hindus if you started digging into a cheeseburger

Well in addition to godwinning your own thread from the very first post this one above should also win a prize for stupid.

Social Disorder · 07-10-2010 01:14AM

I dont see how praying to a man who lives in the sky is considered normal?

That goes for all religions though.

And as for this "anti islamic" being recent...where have you been? Whatever about 2001... what about the crusades

Amalgam · 07-10-2010 01:14AM

deravarra wrote: »

What I dont understand is people who dont understand the reaction of muslims to things like pictures of mohammed and the koran burning.

Give over, the Muslim press go bananas over Jews and print cartoons that are as or more offensive than anything 'the West' has published.

Blowing up people and injuring them in various other ways is not a sensible response to 'pictures of Mohammed'.

The understanding should be mutual, mutual understanding. Not one sided, with a stick of dynamite under my jaw (as a non Muslim) or the threat of death, if I don't walk your fine religious line..

BlaasForRafa · 07-10-2010 01:15AM

deravarra wrote: »

What I dont understand is people who dont understand the reaction of muslims to things like pictures of mohammed and the koran burning.

It's like punching someone, and then complaining when you've been hit back.

What is sacred to the muslims? God, his word (the Qur'an) and his messenger (Mohammed). So why piss people off by burning what is held sacred to the muslims? Why try to draw a nasty little picture of Mohammed? Freedom of speach? That's laughable. Freedom of speach does not give you the right to piss on what someone else holds sacred to them. Seriously, try and do something like that to Judaism in the middle of Jerusalem and see how peaceful Jews would be ... or the Hindus if you started digging into a cheeseburger

I think people have a problem with some muslims trying to impose their cultural values on the west. Thus things like the Niqab and Burka get banned in various places and attacks on freedom of speech like the danish cartoon controversy cause a defensive reaction the part of people in western countries.

If someone says "hey if you say X about my god/religion/whatever I'm going to kill you", are you just going to back down to that kind of threat? The Mohammed cartoons were NOTHING compared to some of the slagging that christianity gets, yet you seem to think muslims should have a free card to do what they like. By that measure would you defend the right of catholics to beat up Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews?

The point that you are proposing is extremely insidious and iniquitous to the way of life of people here. Muslims who are offended by a few cartoons need to grow the f**k up and cop the f**k on.

deravarra · 07-10-2010 01:16AM

Morlar wrote: »

Well in addition to godwinning your own thread from the very first post this one above should also win a prize for stupid.

eh ... stupid? care to elaborate?

i_love_toast · 07-10-2010 01:19AM

the guy who makes effigy's for a living in muslim countries makes some money i say!!!he's constantly busy

Amalgam · 07-10-2010 01:19AM

There's some interesting points about the friction between the two cultures and 'globalisation', information and technology etc..

Politics.ie member Kevin Parlon made the following post in the following thread:

http://www.politics.ie/political-humour/139645-hollow-islamic-call-tolerance-9.html

I don't think the west and the anglosphere are entirely analogous. Germany and France form a good part of what constitues the "soft power" element of "the west".

I think you're right in that globalization poses a threat to the long term good health of millenarist islam. Writers like Amis have suggested that this upward spike in islamist violence is the dying spasms of violent / fundamentalist islam. Amis posits that much of the rage eminating from the muslim world is borne of civilizational chagrin/humiliation.

How can it be that the infidels who lead a life so antithetical to the koran and hadiths are the ones with the technology, the advanced health care, knowledge, wealth, military power, the swagger whilst the pious ummah languish in poverty, violence, corruption and intellectual and physical squalor?

The realisation that Allah hasn't put the Ummah in a position of dominance reinforces two tendencies that I can see. Firslty, the nihilism of millenarist islam. See now, the contempt for the temporal, the rejection of rationialism. The lack of progressiveness in the Islamic milleu, the fatalism so endemic there. And two, the idea that this is a test by Allah to drive the ummah on towards ever more frenzied hatred of the infidel, the desperate Jihad to finally exert god's religion and will on the world (see reference to muslim brotherhood quote above).

Perhaps if we (the west) can hold our nerve during these violent death throes of Islamism, and at the same time remain unapologetic about the merits of our own culture whilst allowing for the faults inherent in that culture, we can some day look forward to a positive relationship with a reformed muslim world.

Multiculturalism where it leads to the kind of "Yes, perhaps you're right Imam, freedom of speech and the press is perhaps not such a good thing afterall. How arrogant of us to not realise your religion and cultural practices should be exempt from it." interactions with the cultures immigrating to the west is not healthy and only prolongs the problems associated with the long adjustment to reality that the muslim world is undergoing.

Going back to the OP, "tolerance" and "peace" and "innocent" in the Islamic dictionary don't mean the things we think them to mean in the west. Tolerance is the tolerance of non muslims in a subjugated existence. Peace means islamic peace; the peace that exists in dar-al-islam. Innocent, especially in the context of luke warm condemnations of terrorism often means "muslim". So we would be very wise indeed to treat calls for "tolerance" by muslims with care whilst at the same time attempting to extend every "tolerance" to muslims where their actions and goals do not actively undermine our way of life.

Social Disorder · 07-10-2010 01:19AM

deravarra wrote: »

What I dont understand is people who dont understand the reaction of muslims to things like pictures of mohammed and the koran burning.

It's like punching someone, and then complaining when you've been hit back.

What is sacred to the muslims? God, his word (the Qur'an) and his messenger (Mohammed). So why piss people off by burning what is held sacred to the muslims? Why try to draw a nasty little picture of Mohammed? Freedom of speach? That's laughable. Freedom of speach does not give you the right to piss on what someone else holds sacred to them. Seriously, try and do something like that to Judaism in the middle of Jerusalem and see how peaceful Jews would be ... or the Hindus if you started digging into a cheeseburger

Oh lord

Yes because other religions are never belittled. There has never been a movie or cartoon. Where do you live? Under a rock by the looks of it.

I was in a Hindu country recently and they were throwing cheeseburgers at me, even had a nice MacDonalds. Hindus are known as hot heads though...this guy in particular was a real trouble maker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi

knird evol · 07-10-2010 01:20AM

deravarra wrote: »

Im talking about another ethnic group ..... **forehead smack**

I think you mean **facepalm**.
You only mention germans and muslims in your original post. i don't you should pick on the germans, its racist, they had great economic and cultural achievements in the 1930s.

twinQuins · 07-10-2010 01:20AM

You know what I'm sick of? Radical Irish trying to impose their values upon the Northern Irish.

Damn Irish people, who do they think they are killing innocent people like that. We should bomb Ireland back to the stone age to teach those barbarians a lesson.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Muslims who are offended by a few cartoons need to grow the f**k up and cop the f**k on.

The irony, it is so very delicious.

deravarra · 07-10-2010 01:22AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I think people have a problem with some muslims trying to impose their cultural values on the west. Thus things like the Niqab and Burka get banned in various places and attacks on freedom of speech like the danish cartoon controversy cause a defensive reaction the part of people in western countries.

If someone says "hey if you say X about my god/religion/whatever I'm going to kill you", are you just going to back down to that kind of threat? The Mohammed cartoons were NOTHING compared to some of the slagging that christianity gets, yet you seem to think muslims should have a free card to do what they like. By that measure would you defend the right of catholics to beat up Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews?

The point that you are proposing is extremely insidious and iniquitous to the way of life of people here. Muslims who are offended by a few cartoons need to grow the f**k up and cop the f**k on.

like I said ... freedom of speech is not the same as being able to piss on whatever you want "because you can". Respect. I respect.

Where did I say I think muslims should have a free card to do what they like? On the contrary, I think a more measured, calmer response would be more in line ... but I understand the anger felt when someone just decides to piss all over what I hold sacred.

Please, dont go down the silly side of any argument or debate re defending the rights of catholics to beat up anyone.

Im not proposing any point. Im just raising the anti-islamic rhetoric that I see ... which is more vicious than I have seen before and I think is just trying for a reaction which it hopes to get

Sharkey 10 · 07-10-2010 01:23AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I think people have a problem with some muslims trying to impose their cultural values on the west. Thus things like the Niqab and Burka get banned in various places and attacks on freedom of speech like the danish cartoon controversy cause a defensive reaction the part of people in western countries.

If someone says "hey if you say X about my god/religion/whatever I'm going to kill you", are you just going to back down to that kind of threat? The Mohammed cartoons were NOTHING compared to some of the slagging that christianity gets, yet you seem to think muslims should have a free card to do what they like. By that measure would you defend the right of catholics to beat up Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews?

The point that you are proposing is extremely insidious and iniquitous to the way of life of people here. Muslims who are offended by a few cartoons need to grow the f**k up and cop the f**k on.

I have to disagree about muslims imposing there culture in france and other places I think you are talking about, I just dont see how they are . I also dont think someone can tell someone what to wear
Great point about father ted.

deravarra · 07-10-2010 01:24AM

Social Disorder wrote: »

Oh lord

Yes because other religions are never belittled. There has never been a movie or cartoon. Where do you live? Under a rock by the looks of it.

I was in a Hindu country recently and they were throwing cheeseburgers at me, even had a nice MacDonalds. Hindus are known as hot heads though...this guy in particular was a real trouble maker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi

if you come out from under your rock then we can go for a coffee

perhaps your mahatma was a good guy. said some very nice things about Mohammed! (Im serious!!!)

maybe his buddies would be good enough to follow his example:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-10-01-504329397_x.htm

deravarra · 07-10-2010 01:28AM

wonton wrote: »

where exactly is islam normal to you?

how about you go and live in a "normal" muslim country and see how you get on..........................try saudi arabia or yemen, i believe the age of consent is 9! go get yourself a nice normal 9 year old wife.........like mohammed did.

oh here we go ... a contribution from someone who knows nothing but feels a need to say something

the nine year old wife thing is well trodden and a piece of old tosh from an islamophobe.

Perhaps when you're finished reading the usual rubbish seen on certain websites, you could read something more enlightening and believable about Mohammed, such as the fact that he wasnt marrying 9 year olds

the_syco · 07-10-2010 01:28AM

knird evol wrote: »

The islamics were treated very well in 1930s germany

I believe Hitler wanted them to join his cause?

Anti Islam rhetoric - on the rise ...

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