Londonderry car bomb

Your Airbag · 05-10-2010 03:47PM #1

This in conjunction with the car bomb outside the police station two months ago would indicate the RIRA or CIRA have decided to abandon the Good Friday agreement for now.

Can we expect this to be the start of a return to dark days of Northern Irelands past or simply a group wanting to remind us all that they are still operational?

http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/news/Londonderry-pipe-bombing-a-39return.6301834.jp

FlutterinBantam · 05-10-2010 03:55PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

This in conjunction with the car bomb outside the police station two months ago would indicate the RIRA or CIRA have decided to abandon the Good Friday agreement for now.

Can we expect this to be the start of a return to dark days of Northern Irelands past or simply a group wanting to remind us all that they are still operational?

http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/news/Londonderry-pipe-bombing-a-39return.6301834.jp

We could be on the long road indeed friend.

As long as there are apologists ,not for this deed, but for the men of violence and the dark forces who lurk between and around criminality and terrorism, not for the gain of the nation,but for themselves and their cohorts to move under the cloak of freedom fighters when in reality they are worse than common criminals.

We saw them gun down Jerry, and we won't be coerced or intimidated by thugs who fail to recognise the will of the nation.

They will have their defenders and fellow travellers and idealists,both covertly and in the open, but rest assured the nation will find them and put their evil deeds under lock and key.

They won't succeed.

OhNoYouDidn't · 05-10-2010 03:57PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

This in conjunction with the car bomb outside the police station two months ago would indicate the RIRA or CIRA have decided to abandon the Good Friday agreement for now.

Can we expect this to be the start of a return to dark days of Northern Irelands past or simply a group wanting to remind us all that they are still operational?

http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/news/Londonderry-pipe-bombing-a-39return.6301834.jp

Such a lot wrong with such a short post.

Lononderry? Really?

RIRA and CIRA "have decided to abandon the Good Friday agreement for now. ". Dear oh dear. If thats your understanding of the situation, you are a long way short of basic.

KeithAFC · 05-10-2010 04:12PM

They won't win. Londonderry won't let them.

Einhard · 05-10-2010 04:16PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

This in conjunction with the car bomb outside the police station two months ago would indicate the RIRA or CIRA have decided to abandon the Good Friday agreement for now.

Eh they never signed up to it in the first place. It's the very point of their existence.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Such a lot wrong with such a short post.

Lononderry? Really?

Yes, really. There's nothing wrong with him (or her) referring to it as such. Not everyone should have to share your sensibilities.

Mr.Micro · 05-10-2010 04:18PM

The Real Ira have claimed responsibility according to RTE news.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1005/derry.html

Contemptible scumbags who take it upon themselves to destroy what the vast majority of normal people Protestant and Catholic in the north and here in the south want is decent life. Bored were they......? I hope the authorities catch them quickly so that normal life can continue on this Island.

PeterIanStaker · 05-10-2010 04:43PM

Great. More guys blowing sh*t up. The anti GFA people in the media are secretly loving it though.

Wolfe Tone · 05-10-2010 04:44PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

This in conjunction with the car bomb outside the police station two months ago would indicate the RIRA or CIRA have decided to abandon the Good Friday agreement for now.

Lol! They never signed up to it ffs.

All this means is that their capabilities(still extremely limited) are growing.

Wolfe Tone · 05-10-2010 05:07PM

Anyway, I would say that this attack shows a willingness of the dissidents to actually back up their words with actions. We all remember a few weeks ago when they said they would target banks? Well now they have.

Seems to be a clear attempt to gather support from the growing number of disillusioned socialist republicans. And it can easily be seen that many members of the public would either support an attack on the banks, or at least not shed any tears over a banks destruction.

Clearly the dissidents in question did not intend to kill anyone, ample warning was given, everyone was evacuated. This lends further weight to my theory that the dissidents have absolutely no aim under any circumstances to either harm or kill innocent civilians. Seemingly the dissidents have embarked on a campaign to gather public support. This attack coupled with the increase in "policing" and the dealing with of drug dealers clearly illustrates that.

oscarBravo · 05-10-2010 05:13PM

I'm closing this thread for now. I'll probably delete some of the stupider posts, which will probably leave the thread about a quarter of its current length.

In the meantime, everyone would do me a favour by (a) not pretending to be so ignorant as not to know what another poster means by the word "Londonderry", and (b) not getting their knickers in a twist over the fact that some people actually use a different name for a town than they themselves do.

Some terrorists just detonated a bomb that could have killed innocent people, and that has damaged business premises and will quite possibly cost people their livelihoods. In that context, arguing over the name of the town is - to be charitable about it - pretty silly.

oscarBravo · 05-10-2010 11:32PM

Re-opening this now. The topic of the thread is a terrorist bombing in a city in Northern Ireland. Off-topic bickering and thread derailing will not be tolerated.

southsiderosie · 06-10-2010 12:21AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Anyway, I would say that this attack shows a willingness of the dissidents to actually back up their words with actions. We all remember a few weeks ago when they said they would target banks? Well now they have.

Seems to be a clear attempt to gather support from the growing number of disillusioned socialist republicans. And it can easily be seen that many members of the public would either support an attack on the banks, or at least not shed any tears over a banks destruction.

Clearly the dissidents in question did not intend to kill anyone, ample warning was given, everyone was evacuated. This lends further weight to my theory that the dissidents have absolutely no aim under any circumstances to either harm or kill innocent civilians. Seemingly the dissidents have embarked on a campaign to gather public support. This attack coupled with the increase in "policing" and the dealing with of drug dealers clearly illustrates that.

Given the long history of disastrous "warnings" before car bombs, I don't think the fact that there was a warning call in any way mitigates the fact that any time a large bomb goes off, there is a strong likelihood that people will get hurt. And this particular bomb apparently went off near a nursing home - the residents weren't exactly going to be sprinting down the stairs to safety. Not to mention the fact that if 'socialist republicans' care about workers, why are they blowing up people's workspaces? The last bomb that went off in Derry destroyed an immigrant man's kebab stand - wtf did he have to do with anything?

Also, I notice that you say they don't want to harm "innocent civilians". Is that to say that this action would be acceptable if members of state security forces had been killed or injured?

If the bank had blown up because of a gas leak or had been hit by lightning, perhaps there would have been some public schadenfreude - if nobody got hurt. But attacking banks is an obvious ploy for sympathy by dissidents, and it has a very limited audience. More broadly, why would anyone want to support a group that is so actively acting against the democratically expressed interests of the republican community - on both sides of the border - that it claims to represent?

There is no way on God's green earth that this bombing can be justified.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 06-10-2010 02:17AM

Any carbomb is incredibly risky. Omagh killed off anti-gfa millitant republicanism for a long time. I don't trust the British security agencies enough to be sure they wouldn't sacrifice civilians to kill it off for another few years.

After the GFA militant attacks are pointless. You just have to watch an episode of 24 to see the technology republicans would have to take on. Then there's informants. To be honest wouldnt be surprised if this was allowed to happen as MI5 want to keep their budgets.

And all that is on top of moral and democratic arguments against them. Just ridiculous.

Jaap · 06-10-2010 09:02AM

I sometimes think TV stations by sending reporters up to bomb scenes (such as in Londonderry yesterday)...and going into great detail and having analysis from security experts...it is sort of giving these dimwits who claim to love Ireland and continue to bomb it

publicity.
Yes...make people aware of the security situation...but giving dissidents probably a third of all news airtime...it is playing in to their hands!

karma_ · 06-10-2010 09:11AM

Yes, this bombing is disgraceful. I mentioned on the other thread that Derry has enough issues without this, unemployment levels are sky high, Derry and the whole Northwest has been ignored financially for the last 30+ years, and we have people who don't even live in the damn city (probably never even been to it) and they tell us what we should call our city, and now dissidents start detonating bombs.

Police Chief Wiggum · 06-10-2010 09:35AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Anyway, I would say that this attack shows a willingness of the dissidents to actually back up their words with actions. We all remember a few weeks ago when they said they would target banks? Well now they have.

Seems to be a clear attempt to gather support from the growing number of disillusioned socialist republicans. And it can easily be seen that many members of the public would either support an attack on the banks, or at least not shed any tears over a banks destruction.

Clearly the dissidents in question did not intend to kill anyone, ample warning was given, everyone was evacuated. This lends further weight to my theory that the dissidents have absolutely no aim under any circumstances to either harm or kill innocent civilians. Seemingly the dissidents have embarked on a campaign to gather public support. This attack coupled with the increase in "policing" and the dealing with of drug dealers clearly illustrates that.

what about the psychological harm to ordinary people worried about the next bomb, worried about will these small numbers of people follow 'best practice' and work with the psni to clear areas, I know some children in Sligo who are not visiting their very lonely granny at her nursing home in the north because the two parents do not want to 'hope for the best' in the relationship between children trying to live their lives and the unsupported actions of a fragment of Ireland's many and varied peoples

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 10:37AM

karma_ wrote: »

Yes, this bombing is disgraceful. I mentioned on the other thread that Derry has enough issues without this, unemployment levels are sky high, Derry and the whole Northwest has been ignored financially for the last 30+ years, and we have people who don't even live in the damn city (probably never even been to it) and they tell us what we should call our city, and now dissidents start detonating bombs.

Lets be clear, I don't especially give a damn what people call the place, my point was that the OP was riddled with ignorance and going to cause a flame war.

I have been to Derry on numerous occasion.

But here we are with the usual trite soundbites about 'scum' etc and no attempt to even analyse why the Cokes are up to what they are up to. One poster suggested boredom ffs. "Look at 24 to see what they are up against"? Give me strength.

Being a Derry native, what level of local support is there, if any?

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 10:38AM

Police Chief Wiggum wrote: »

what about the psychological harm to ordinary people worried about the next bomb, worried about will these small numbers of people follow 'best practice' and work with the psni to clear areas, I know some children in Sligo who are not visiting their very lonely granny at her nursing home in the north because the two parents do not want to 'hope for the best' in the relationship between children trying to live their lives and the unsupported actions of a fragment of Ireland's many and varied peoples

Then the family are idiots. Simple as that.

Iwasfrozen · 06-10-2010 01:38PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Then the family are idiots. Simple as that.

Aren't you a plesent fellow?

karma_ · 06-10-2010 01:55PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Aren't you a plesent fellow?

Anyone seriously suggesting that it is correct to stop coming across the border to see family, especially elderly family need to seriously reassess that decision because it is simply wrong on a lot of levels. Even at the height of the troubles the same would have applied.

As regards to support in Derry for the dissidents, there is hardly none. Like any other place Derry has its share of idiots, thankfully they are in a tiny, tiny minority.

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 01:58PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Aren't you a plesent fellow?

Yes, I am.

But if people are not willing to visit family in Derry because of these bombs that are clearly not designed to kill visitors to the town strikes me as idiotic and risk averse to the point of insanity.

Even in the 70's that decision would have been bone headed.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 06-10-2010 02:09PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

"Look at 24 to see what they are up against"? Give me strength.

LOL. Was out on the piss last night and went on boards when I came in. No more drunk posting on the politics forum I promise.

Pace2008 · 06-10-2010 02:14PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But if people are not willing to visit family in Derry because of these bombs that are clearly not designed to kill visitors to the town strikes me as idiotic and risk averse to the point of insanity.

Good to see the eminent scientists of the IRA have devised a type of explosive, hitherto seen as the most indiscriminate form of weaponry, that injures only their targets whilst leaving civilians unscathed.

Mr.Micro · 06-10-2010 02:37PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Yes, I am.

But if people are not willing to visit family in Derry because of these bombs that are clearly not designed to kill visitors to the town strikes me as idiotic and risk averse to the point of insanity.

Even in the 70's that decision would have been bone headed.

I love this bit in your post

these bombs that are clearly not designed to kill visitors to the town

you mean presumably designed not to kill visitors ?
the next bit clearly sums up what you posted

strikes me as idiotic

..... that's the only bit of your post that makes sense.

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 02:43PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

Good to see the eminent scientists of the IRA have devised a type of explosive, hitherto seen as the most indiscriminate form of weaponry, that injures only their targets whilst leaving civilians unscathed.

Of course not, and while not belittling the threat the dissidents pose, or at least are trying to pose, you are still statistically more likely to killed in a train crash or by a loose roof slate than by a bomb.

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 02:45PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

I love this bit in your post you mean presumably designed not to kill visitors ?
the next bit clearly sums up what you posted ..... that's the only bit of your post that makes sense.

If the RIRA wanted to kill random people, they would do so by planing no warning bombs in crowded areas. But they don't. Bad and all as they are, the object of the excercise isn't mass indiscriminate killings. Every bomb is phoned in, the targets are generally obvious.

Now I am not saying its not a bloody dangerous game, but its not so dangerous that people can't visit Derry to see family.

Pace2008 · 06-10-2010 02:55PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

If the RIRA wanted to kill random people, they would do so by planing no warning bombs in crowded areas. But they don't. Bad and all as they are, the object of the excercise isn't mass indiscriminate killings. Every bomb is phoned in, the targets are generally obvious.

Now I am not saying its not a bloody dangerous game, but its not so dangerous that people can't visit Derry to see family.

I'm aware of this (or that one's very unlikely to be killed by a bomb, at least) but that is not how many people think, and what matters is the public's' perception of the situation.

The reality is that if this turns out to be anything more than a one-off occurrence, Northern Ireland is going to be a very unattractive destination in the future.

Denerick · 06-10-2010 03:05PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But here we are with the usual trite soundbites about 'scum' etc and no attempt to even analyse why the Cokes are up to what they are up to. One poster suggested boredom ffs. "Look at 24 to see what they are up against"? Give me strength.

By all means, place them in their proper context. Perhaps they were taken away from the mother's tit a bit early? Perhaps they didn't get enough attention in school? Perhaps their father shouted at them when they were crap at football? Or maybe some people are simply scum.

Being a Derry native, what level of local support is there, if any?

I can think of one.

Mr.Micro · 06-10-2010 03:07PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

If the RIRA wanted to kill random people, they would do so by planing no warning bombs in crowded areas. But they don't. Bad and all as they are, the object of the excercise isn't mass indiscriminate killings. Every bomb is phoned in, the targets are generally obvious.

Now I am not saying its not a bloody dangerous game, but its not so dangerous that people can't visit Derry to see family.

I am sorry but your post is absolute nonsense. People cannot be blamed for not visiting relatives if there is a prospect of car bombs etc. Why would any parent risk their children?

The IRA/RIRA never worried about who they killed discriminate or indiscriminate. Enniskillen remember that, ordinary people out shopping children women and men. There is no justification for bombs of any sort at any time no matter what you say .....not now, not then, not ever.

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 03:07PM

Denerick wrote: »

By all means, place them in their proper context. Perhaps they were taken away from the mother's tit a bit early? Perhaps they didn't get enough attention in school? Perhaps their father shouted at them when they were crap at football? Or maybe some people are simply scum.

Thank you for your deep and well forumlated insight into the psychology of people you have never met, but you do know calling people 'scum' is a potential red card offence now? Check your stickies on the top ot he page.

Denerick wrote: »

I can think of one.

Who?

OhNoYouDidn't · 06-10-2010 03:10PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

I am sorry but your post is absolute nonsense. People cannot be blamed for not visiting relatives if there is a prospect of car bombs etc. Why would any parent risk their children?

The IRA/RIRA never worried about who they killed discriminate or indiscriminate. Enniskillen remember that, ordinary people out shopping children women and men. There is no justification for bombs of any sort at any time no matter what you say .....not now, not then, not ever.

I'm not justifying a damn thing. I'm saying that refusal to visit family in the 6 because of this threat is irrational and lets them win.

You are more likely to be killed by a dog, choke on a peanut or on a rollercoaster than be killed by a bomb.

Londonderry car bomb

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