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Why Is It That Athiests Talk So Much About Religion

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  • #32
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Atheism is the rejection of religion? I could swear that there are some that would Roll eye and facepalm etc etc if that definition was given in another context:)
    *Puts up hand*

    However, given the casual conversational context of the definition I let it slide... ;)


  • #33
    jayzusb.christ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭jayzusb.christ


    Another thing: I like talking about the recession too. (It's fascinating, topical and affects us all.) It doesn't mean I secretly like the recession.


  • #34
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    The Voltron cartoon was introduced by Peter Cullen, more famous for his role as Optimus Prime, who as we all know has similar powers to a certain biblical figure (is resurrected saving everyone, can talk to his god, part of a trinity of Prime trailer and roller who share the same conciousness, etc etc).


    Just saying.


  • #35
    Zombrex
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    JimiTime wrote: »
    Atheism is the rejection of religion?

    To me it is, what the rest of these idiots thinks doesn't concern me ... :P


  • #36
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Wicknight wrote: »
    To me it is, what the rest of these idiots thinks doesn't concern me ... :P

    :)


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  • #37
    robindch
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    what the rest of these idiots thinks doesn't concern me
    I'm going to have a word with Bishop Hitchins and Pope Dawkens about this kind of false thinking!

    How on earth can we look like a religion if we don't behave like one? :confused:


  • #38
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    robindch wrote: »

    How on earth can we look like a religion if we don't behave like one? :confused:

    um. maybe our own type of special hat?


  • #39
    Insect Overlord
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    I think the point the OP was trying to make is that aliens built the Egyptian pyramids.

    :pac:


  • #40
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    ^^ I'd just managed to forget that one. :pac:


  • #41
    rational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭rational


    Dades wrote: »
    Behold, two of the many similar threads.

    Though neither OP so embarrassingly worded as this one.


    Is that your stock response to people who challange atheistic dogma? I've heard it before somewhere:) Also I see your pretty adept at trying to undermine by saying how "embarrassing" it is. Real constructive alright.


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  • #42
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    rational wrote: »
    Is that your stock response to people who challange atheistic dogma? I've heard it before somewhere:) Also I see your pretty adept at trying to undermine by saying how "embarrassing" it is. Real constructive alright.

    wu wu what??


  • #43
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    rational wrote: »
    Is that your stock response to people who challenge atheistic dogma? I've heard it before somewhere:) Also, I see you're pretty adept at trying to undermine by saying how "embarrassing" it is. Real constructive alright.

    Hmm, let's see......
    atheistic dogma
    You sir or madam, have just, perhaps unwittingly, expressed your ignorance and possibly arrogance towards atheists. Dogmatic atheists? The only dogmatic atheist on this forum that I can vividly remember and he happened to write his posts in a style, that at first impression, similar to yours - full of ignorance, accusations and bad mechanics. As for atheistic dogma, I'm reasonably confident at this point in time that you haven't a clue in the nay or jay what you are actually on about.

    If you disagree with the above, then please explain what this atheistic dogma is? Because right now I have the impression of a twelve year old talking intuitively out of his arse without learning about his subject matter first. Oh and I'm not really sorry if you find the tone of this post harsh, because, well the notion of atheistic dogma is pathetic and the least you could do before coming onto this forum to discuss it is actually learn something about the subject matter first.

    Thanks,


  • #44
    MagicMarker
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    rational wrote: »
    Is that your stock response to people who challange atheistic dogma? I've heard it before somewhere:) Also I see your pretty adept at trying to undermine by saying how "embarrassing" it is. Real constructive alright.
    Interesting username for a believer.


  • #45
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    This is a really popular argument these days. "Atheism is a religion blah blah".

    It's like saying "Your lack of a belief in a deity is just as retarded as my belief in the existence of one. So there!".


  • #46
    Dougla2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    Relevant > http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/28/american-atheists-an.html


  • #47
    Ickle Magoo
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Interesting username for a believer.

    S/he claims not to be (last line of this post)- but so far we're only one tin hat away from them spilling the full set of bloopers... :pac:


  • #48
    cypharius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭cypharius


    Can't we just have a sticky that answers this question? It's like every time I check this board, one of these is the main thread.


  • #49
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    rational wrote: »
    Is that your stock response to people who challange atheistic dogma? I've heard it before somewhere:) Also I see your pretty adept at trying to undermine by saying how "embarrassing" it is. Real constructive alright.
    Did you read the opening question?
    Why is it, if atheists dont believe in god or religion that it seems to be the only thing that they talk about?
    Seriously, it's the only thing they talk about in an Atheism & Agnosticism forum.

    I'm sure you're feeling empathy with the OP as you've already discovered people don't suffer misnomers and empty clichés gladly, but you're backing the wrong horse here. This thread is a poorly worded hit and run and I don't really understand why you're defending it.


  • #50
    rational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭rational


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Interesting username for a believer.

    I am not a believer as you see it


  • #51
    Dougla2
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    rational wrote: »
    I am not a believer as you see it
    yes you are what you are is a lax christian


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  • #52
    rational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭rational


    Dades wrote: »
    Did you read the opening question?

    Seriously, it's the only thing they talk about in an Atheism & Agnosticism forum.

    I'm sure you're feeling empathy with the OP as you've already discovered people don't suffer misnomers and empty clichés gladly, but you're backing the wrong horse here. This thread is a poorly worded hit and run and I don't really understand why you're defending it.

    Agreed.


  • #53
    strobe
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    rational wrote: »
    Agreed.

    I find you interesting, rational. Not meant in a creepy way. Keep posting here (in this forum) please.


  • #54
    The Mad Hatter
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    Dades wrote: »
    Seriously, it's the only thing they talk about in an Atheism & Agnosticism forum.

    It's not even, though.


  • #55
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    axer wrote: »
    Well firstly this is the Atheist and Agnostic forum listed under "Religion & Spirituality". What do you think we would be talking about alot? besides there are plenty of other threads about evolution and science here too.

    Maybe we are willing to challenge our ideas i.e. put them to the test and not get worked up when an idea is wrong.

    Fair call, I just thought you would be talking more on the evolution side of things and how the change in earthly things such as severe climate changes, like Krakatoa and Anak Krakatau can cause major changes in the evolution of human beings .

    Natural disasters and man made disasters seem to make non believers quickly turn to believers.

    I think peoples ideas in God can change very quickly when confronted with a disaster or the fact that an injury or sudden sickness(cancer) can quickly change their disbelief in God.

    People who are satan worshippers don't talk much about God, they mainly talk about the power of the devil and about next weeks orgy of the flesh.

    As axer says
    "Maybe we are willing to challenge our ideas i.e. put them to the test and not get worked up when an idea is wrong"

    I can see that's mainly true of atheists from reading the christianity and islam forums where they get quickly "worked up and out of control " if you say something against their beliefs.

    I see atheists are more willing to engage in debate.


  • #56
    Goduznt Xzst
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    Fair call, I just thought you would be talking more on the evolution side of things and how the change in earthly things such as severe climate changes, like Krakatoa and Anak Krakatau can cause major changes in the evolution of human beings.

    Well there is the hypothesis that sudden and continued climate change conditions actually forced the speciation of our ancestors.

    But, in regards to why we don't talk more about evolution, well, it doesn't really have all that much to do with Atheism. Unless of course Religious fundamentalists claim it is false, based on their religious doctrines, even then it is mostly contained in a large thread over in the Christianity forum.


  • #57
    krudler
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    Fair call, I just thought you would be talking more on the evolution side of things and how the change in earthly things such as severe climate changes, like Krakatoa and Anak Krakatau can cause major changes in the evolution of human beings .

    Natural disasters and man made disasters seem to make non believers quickly turn to believers.

    I think peoples ideas in God can change very quickly when confronted with a disaster or the fact that an injury or sudden sickness(cancer) can quickly change their disbelief in God.

    People who are satan worshippers don't talk much about God, they mainly talk about the power of the devil and about next weeks orgy of the flesh.

    As axer says
    "Maybe we are willing to challenge our ideas i.e. put them to the test and not get worked up when an idea is wrong"

    I can see that's mainly true of atheists from reading the christianity and islam forums where they get quickly "worked up and out of control " if you say something against their beliefs.

    I see atheists are more willing to engage in debate.


    nonsense on both counts.


  • #58
    Turtwig
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    krudler wrote: »
    nonsense on both counts.

    No it actually isn't. It's a well known fact that when things seem outside a persons control they will be much more likely to see patterns in stuff that they would have previously considered random or coincidental. Further to this it is also well known that being supernatural or superstitious during a crisis does provide a person with a sense of control, even if it a false one.

    The fact of the matter is if non believers were more attuned to
    a) How our brain constructs the world around us.
    b) Probability.
    c) That your life is not actually more special or more important than anyone elses. (I know that some people will think they agree with this one doesn't apply to them, so I'll put it this way in a hostage situation that you know 60% of the people here are going to die would you really be rational enough to keep the majority interest at heart when by saving your own ass 85% of the the civilians die but you survive unscathed? If it was you and your family your could save?)

    They would probably not find God in such crises.* It's an evolutionary mechanism and its a damn powerful one for survival but not really that useful for modern society today, modern day society needs to understand this default mode much much better.

    *Of course just for the pedants out there. There might not find God but they will find some spirit or superstitious ritual which they will adamantly claim is the reason they pulled through the crisis.
    Also, this has nothing to do with atheism. (I can't say the same for theism). It is purely only skeptics who can really understand these superstitions and supernatural notions. There are plenty of atheists out there who will testify to such supernatural or superstitious stuff helping them.


  • #59
    Dades
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    I'd also be of the opinion that personal tragedy or peril is a common catalyst for religiosity. Far more often than simply reasoning yourself into that position when the sun shines (not that that doesn't happen too).

    I guess that's where the phrase "no atheists in foxholes" comes from. Oddly, this is sometimes used a stick by believers to support their position, while the fact that so many turn to religion out of fear of their own (or a loved one's) mortality points to the idea that religion is simply a crutch, and reason doesn't come into it.


  • #60
    amacachi
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    mcmoustache wrote: »
    This is a really popular argument these days. "Atheism is a religion blah blah".

    I've taken to letting a very loud but also very short roar when someone says that to me. Started as a groan but people weren't getting that. :pac:


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  • #61
    robindch
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    I see atheists are more willing to engage in debate.
    Unlike most religious, atheists don't tie their personal identity to a fixed view of the world, hence, they don't (mis)interpret an honest questioning of a some belief as a personal "attack" upon their integrity and personality. Something that the religious are wont to do.

    But ultimately, atheists just don't have a doctrine to defend.

    All they have is questions -- a debate -- for those who do.


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