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PJ Sheenhan's just deserts.

  • 02-10-2010 01:59AM
    #1
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭


    [Admin Notice: Split off from the Paul Gogarty Thread as it is unrelated, this has otherwise been left intact.]



    Lets suppose he didn't reply. Would it change your headline? My guess is yes because your headline is based on Paul's reply. Are you with me? Let's hope so because I need your help now. Remember when the Dail took their Summer holidays and a FG TD tried to drive back to West Cork while under the influence of alcohol. This guy is called PJ Sheehan and he could have and in all probability would have killed someone only for the actions of a guard that was assualted by PJ. Now, be truthful and answer this question, do you think this politician deserves to be a member of Dail Eireann? Yes or No, it's your call.


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  • #2
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Wide Road wrote: »
    Lets suppose he didn't reply. Would it change your headline? My guess is yes because your headline is based on Paul's reply. Are you with me? Let's hope so because I need your help now. Remember when the Dail took their Summer holidays and a FG TD tried to drive back to West Cork while under the influence of alcohol. This guy is called PJ Sheehan and he could have and in all probability would have killed someone only for the actions of a guard that was assualted by PJ. Now, be truthful and answer this question, do you think this politician deserves to be a member of Dail Eireann? Yes or No, it's your call.
    That person should, like any irish man or woman, have been charged for being "Drunk in Charge of a vehicle" and also "assaulting a Garda".

    If that precludes you from being a TD (I'm not aware if it does) then he should have been dismissed. If not, the electorate should decide his future at the next election.

    I dont understand two things:

    1. What this has to do with Mr Gogarty.

    2. What you "need my help" with.

    DeV.


  • #3
    Shea O'Meara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    DeVore wrote: »
    Due to a thread on Boards here, I decided to put it directly to Mr Gogarty that he and other supposedly angry TDs should step down and trigger a general election.

    My "tweet" in full:
    "@PaulGogartyTD I and others would like to know why you and other supposedly angry TD's dont resign and trigger a G.E. http://bit.ly/bCf1rm "

    His reply:
    @DeVore it's called patriotism


    I find this answer deeply unsatifactory and smacks of glib smart-arsedness. I've subsequently put this to him:
    @PaulGogartyTD Patriotism would be allowing the people of Ireland self determination. We would prefer an answer not a glib soundbite.


    On the plus side, at least he's responding directly which is more then the vast majority of our "representatives".

    DeV.

    Well done.
    Patriotism.....since when did propping up a government with one illegal T.D. (see Bertie/tax clearance) and a number of unrepresented areas leaving people swinging in the wind amount to patriotism?


  • #4
    Shea O'Meara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    DeVore wrote: »

    I dont understand two things:

    1. What this has to do with Mr Gogarty.

    2. What you "need my help" with.

    DeV.

    I would guess that any post or thread casting our fine members of government in an ill light should also 'help' it's supporters bash FG et al. :rolleyes:


  • #5
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    meglome wrote: »
    patriotism hehehehe. Now I'm all for patriotism as such but that answer is bull****.



    I don't think anyone would support Sheehans actions but then again he didn't basically bankrupt the country.

    Put a price on a life?


  • #6
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    < 39 billion.


    Can you answer my questions or are you just dragging us off topic. I've no problem debating this in a thread of its own.

    DeV.


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  • #7
    bad2dabone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭bad2dabone


    Wide Road,

    obviously sheehan is a scumbag and needs to be turfed out.
    But you're completely off topic man.


  • #8
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    [QUOTE=meglome;
    I don't think anyone would support Sheehans actions but then again he didn't basically bankrupt the country.[/QUOTE]

    You're wrong again. Enda supported PJ's actions until they were caught out. What's your price on a life?
    BTW, did you and others neglect to condem PJ before?


  • #9
    meglome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭meglome


    Wide Road wrote: »
    Put a price on a life?

    If a crime was committed then he should be punished for that, no question. But he didn't drive his car and he didn't basically bankrupt the country. However I have no idea what that has to do with Paul Gogarty supporting a government which has fúcked us all. Now i appreciate we voted (not me personally) for the tossers but we expected some competence which sadly we didn't get.


  • #10
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I'm splitting these posts out, this is just massively unconnected to this topic.

    DeV.


  • #11
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    DeVore wrote: »
    < 39 billion.

    DeV.

    I'm sad if this is your price of a human life. Have you anything else to offer


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  • #12
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Can you answer my questions or are you just trolling?

    DeV.


  • #13
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    DeVore wrote: »
    Can you answer my questions or are you just trolling?

    DeV.

    Considering you moved my posts onto a new topic, where De V do I post my reply?


  • #14
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Here is fine, this entire thread is about PJ Sheehan and the event you wanted to discuss. Everyone better keep it legal though.


    DeV.


  • #15
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I'll help you out, this was my reply to you original post about Mr Sheehan in the Mr Gogarty thread. If you wish to follow this path I'm happy to discuss it with you and anyone else.

    Be warned though, I am abroad in a different time zone and its very late here (5.07am) so I will be in bed soon but I will reply tomorrow if not tonight.

    DeV.


  • #16
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Maybe if O'Donoghue had followed up on his promise of zero tolerance Sheehan would be in jail ?

    Then again, so probably would O'Donoghue himself, Callely, O'Dea, Ahern...........

    Wide Road, you have a point. Sheehan should not be a TD as he shows no regard for the laws of this country.

    Now, the key to your glasshouse is right there next to the stones, under the files with the above names on them. Feel free to use it.


  • #17
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Maybe if O'Donoghue had followed up on his promise of zero tolerance Sheehan would be in jail ?

    Then again, so probably would O'Donoghue himself, Callely, O'Dea, Ahern...........

    Wide Road, you have a point. Sheehan should not be a TD as he shows no regard for the laws of this country.

    Now, the key to your glasshouse is right there next to the stones, under the files with the above names on them. Feel free to use it.

    And no mention of your beloved Enda.
    The silence is deafening in the high moral ground.


  • #18
    meglome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭meglome


    Wide Road wrote: »
    And no mention of your beloved Enda.
    The silence is deafening in the high moral ground.

    Did Enda Kenny break the law?


  • #19
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wide Road wrote: »
    And no mention of your beloved Enda.
    The silence is deafening in the high moral ground.

    "Beloved Enda" :rolleyes:

    But if you want me to humour your delusions, I will; Enda's involvement in not dealing properly with Sheehan is equivalent to Cowen not dealing with those mentioned above.

    Given that you didn't originally mention Kenny and other third-parties, I won't mention Cowen.

    But it's your thread, so I'll leave it up to you.


  • #20
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    meglome wrote: »
    Did Enda Kenny break the law?

    No he didn't. I don't remember saying he did.
    Did PJ break the law?


  • #21
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    "Beloved Enda" :rolleyes:

    But if you want me to humour your delusions, I will; Enda's involvement in not dealing properly with Sheehan is equivalent to Cowen not dealing with those mentioned above.

    Given that you didn't originally mention Kenny and other third-parties, I won't mention Cowen.

    But it's your thread, so I'll leave it up to you.

    If you claim it's my thread, why did you mention O'Donoghue etc?


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  • #22
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wide Road wrote: »
    No he didn't. I don't remember saying he did.
    Did PJ break the law?

    As far as I know he didn't, because he didn't drive on a public road.

    Mind you, that might be a technicality and doesn't excuse his actions.

    That said, I'd prefer "I didn't drive on a public road, your honour" to "I live in Dublin but my primary place of residence is Cork", or "I won it on da horses and I haven't a notion who gave me a year's salary, your honour".

    Then again, my opinion probably isn't really relevant, considering I'm not a member of the party and wouldn't even consider it until it cleans up more - despite ridiculous and pathetic claims about "my beloved Enda" :rolleyes: - .....FG might be one of the best of a bad lot, but as I've said elsewhere "the best of a bad lot" isn't good enough, especially with people like Sheehan around.


  • #23
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Wide Road wrote: »
    If you claim it's my thread, why did you mention O'Donoghue etc?

    equally i could ask why you brought up Sheehan on my thread?? (you never did give me an answer to that question).

    DeV.


  • #24
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wide Road wrote: »
    If you claim it's my thread, why did you mention O'Donoghue etc?

    Because their actions are comparable; you brought up Kenny which is the equivalent of bringing in Cowen.

    And since you're actively supporting FF as a member, you have a bigger case to answer as to why you object to Sheehan's actions and don't object to Ahern, O'Dea, Sheehan, etc.

    As I said earlier, people in glasshouses are in no position to throw stones.


  • #25
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    DeVore wrote: »
    equally i could ask why you brought up Sheehan on my thread?? (you never did give me an answer to that question).

    DeV.

    Ok, let's say I should have not brought up Sheehan on your thread. To follow on from your thinking, why then are you now allowing postings on O'Donoghue etc on my thread? You can't have it both ways IMO.


  • #26
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    That said, I'd prefer "I didn't drive on a public road, your honour" to "I live in Dublin but my primary place of residence is Cork", or "I won it on da horses and I haven't a notion who gave me a year's salary, your honour"..

    Can someone tell me what this has to do with this thread?


  • #27
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    And since you're actively supporting FF as a member, you have a bigger case to answer as to why you object to Sheehan's actions and don't object to Ahern, O'Dea, Sheehan, etc.
    .

    How do you know I'm actively supporting FF as a member?
    PJ was likely to injure or most likely kill a member(s) of the public due to him attempting to drive to West Cork. You firstly decided to ignore the seriousness of his actions and instead concentrate mainly on leaks and spin. What O'Donoghue etc has to do with this story is beyond me.


  • #28
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Yes, we should get back on topic. To be fair, Wide Road also took this thread off topic when you brought up Enda Kenny out of the blue.
    Wide Road wrote: »
    No he didn't. I don't remember saying he did.
    Did PJ break the law?

    I understand PJ was "drunk in charge" and also accused of threatening a Garda in the course of her duty.


    So, I believe the answer to your question is "yes, he did".

    DeV.


  • #29
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    PJ Sheenhan was not caught on the open roads, a Garda did their job and stopped him before he did anything that could put members of the public in danger. Should he be a TD if he was willing to break the laws of this country and to confront a member of the security forces in manner he did? No of course he shouldn't. No person who attempts to by-pass, break or subvert the law or help others to do so should be a member of our National Parliament.

    Then again there are a number of politicians in Dail Eireann who should not be TD's anymore either. The most apt comparison to this is a Mr Jim McDaid who unlike Sheenhan did make it onto the public highways and drove the wrong side of the road in Kildare actually putting members of the general public in danger. Why are you not throwing your toys out of the pram with your moral outrage about that incident and the fact the man is still a TD after the events?

    With regard to the Enda comment you keep harping on about. I would not read the X-File like conspiracy theory into it that you are. I would be of the opinion as a lot of others are that it was a man putting the mind of a Garda to rest concerned about the comments of a drunken man threatening their career.

    As for being an active FF supporting member I believe you are based on your contributions on this forum Wide Road. As I don't know you in person I can only judge you on your words.


  • #30
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    gandalf wrote: »
    PJ Sheenhan was not caught on the open roads, a Garda did their job and stopped him before he did anything that could put members of the public in danger. Should he be a TD if he was willing to break the laws of this country and to confront a member of the security forces in manner he did? No of course he shouldn't. No person who attempts to by-pass, break or subvert the law or help others to do so should be a member of our National Parliament.

    With regard to the Enda comment you keep harping on about. I would not read the X-File like conspiracy theory into it that you are. I would be of the opinion as a lot of others are that it was a man putting the mind of a Garda to rest concerned about the comments of a drunken man threatening their career.
    .

    PJ Sheehan assaulted the Garda. Why has this not commented on by ye, and why have the Gardai not pressed charges?
    Why all the silence?


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  • #31
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Wide Road wrote: »
    PJ Sheehan assaulted the Garda. Why has this not commented on by ye, and why have the Gardai not pressed charges?
    Why all the silence?

    How did he assault the Garda? Surely you are not spinning that pointing your finger at someone is assault are you?

    Have you asked the Gardai directly why they haven't pressed charges? We can't answer on their behalf!

    Also can you respond to my comments on Jim McDaid? Why no outrage over his actions which did put members of the public in danger?


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