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Rise of the Right across Europe

  • 01-10-2010 11:09AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭


    The far-right Sweden Democrats party have gained 20 seats in their national parliament after the recent elections. Is this indicative of a general shift to the right across Europe? If so, do you think this is in response to what is perceived as the "Islamification of Europe"? The Swedish city of Malmo in particular has a huge Muslim population (38% of its citizens are foreigners according to wiki).

    Switzerland - the far-right Swiss People's Party won 29% of the vote share in the last election, the highest any party has ever recorded in Switzerland. Their election poster famoulsy showed three white sheep kicking a black sheep out of Switzerland.

    France - Sarkozy banned the burqa and explelled the Roma from France.

    Netherlands - Geert Wilders and his far-right Party for Freedom became the third largest party after this year's general election for its hardline stance on immigrants.

    UK - The Conservatives became the biggest party in the UK after this year's British general election. The Scottish National Party is the biggest in Scotland. Both are right leaning parties.

    Italy - Berlusconi leads a coalition of right wing parties in the Italain government.

    Austria and Germany also have conservative parties in government.

    I'm going to put my cards on the table and state that I'm right wing. I applaud Sarkozy's recent actions to restore law and order and only wish the same could be applied here to rid Dublin of beggars.

    But as usual, Ireland is the joke backwater of Europe, with a political system based on a civil-war single issue divide (LOL). The Gombeen is solely an Irish phenomenon. You wouldn't find Jackie Healy Rae in any other country in the world. How so many gombeens are elected to our national parliament is beyond me. Parish pump politics before the national interests.

    I'd be interested to hear the response of the bleeding hearts on the rise of the right across Europe. How does it feel to know Europe doesn't want gyspys harassing its citizens?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    What a load of rubbish. SNP right leaning? FFS.

    A couple of micro groups on the right made modest gains and some centre right parties in power. Happens in ever recession where the gullible in society can be led down a path of 'blaming foreigners' for their woes.

    Nothing new or noteworthy about it, when times are better, the left will increase as people feel more social and positive about things.

    As for Ireland, we had a right wing experiment in Ireland in the PD's and the electorate told them what they thought of them. Meanwhlile Labour are the leading in all the opinion polls. So we are bucking the euro trend of floating voters drifting to the right. Which is as a result of having 15 years of right wing FF governance, which in turn bucked the euro trend. Same pattern, out of step.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    Fo Real wrote: »
    But as usual, Ireland is the joke backwater of Europe

    I find it a little scary that you think Ireland's maintenance of basic civil liberties for its citizens to be some kind of "joke backwater" policy.
    Fo Real wrote: »
    How does it feel to know Europe doesn't want gyspys harassing its citizens?

    That's a false representation of the situation. The burka wasn't banned because muslim women were harassing people. It was banned because the majority (it seems) have an "Islamophobic" attitude and they feel they have the right to force minorities to live according to their world view.
    As for Ireland, we had a right wing party in Ireland in the PD's and the electorate told them what they though of them.

    I think it's quite clear that the OP is using the left-right divide in the context of civil liberties and issues like immigration. In this context the PDs are most certainly not right-wing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't




    I think it's quite clear that the OP is using the left-right divide in the context of civil liberties and issues like immigration. In this context the PDs are most certainly not right-wing.


    Hmmm, I think the citizenship referendum was certainly in that ball park, but I take your point that they weren't generally jingoistic.

    I think the reason we have thankfully managed to avoid the xenephobic toxic politics of parts of Europe is that our extreme nationalists tend to be on the left of the policitcal spectrum in Republicanism and for a myriad of reasons don't target immigrants for bile.

    This to me is a good thing, and I'm happy the ICP are a standing joke in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭Fo Real


    Fianna Fáil are hardly right leaning. Bertie considered himself a socialist. The recent Fianna Fáil governments oversaw the largest mass immigration into Ireland ever.

    I suppose you're proud of our gombeen politics. Let's argue over the civil war for another hundred years. I don't know what age you are, but let me assure you that the under-25s do not care about the Northern Ireland isssue. It's a foreign country. Let the UK keep the cesspit and subsidise its bloated civil service.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Fo Real wrote: »
    Fianna Fáil are hardly right leaning. Bertie considered himself a socialist. The recent Fianna Fáil governments oversaw the largest mass immigration into Ireland ever.

    I suppose you're proud of our gombeen politics. Let's argue over the civil war for another hundred years. I don't know what age you are, but let me assure you that the under-25s do not care about the Northern Ireland isssue. It's a foreign country. Let the UK keep the cesspit and subsidise its bloated civil service.

    Are you Fo Real?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    You think that FF are not right leaning because Bertie said he was a socialist?

    Bertie also said that he wasn't to blame for any of our current woes. Do you also believe him when he said that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭Fo Real


    reprazant wrote: »
    You think that FF are not right leaning because Bertie said he was a socialist?

    Bertie also said that he wasn't to blame for any of our current woes. Do you also believe him when he said that?

    Evidence that FF are right wing then please. I already stated that their govenment invited tens of thousands of foreigners to our shores and now west Dublin is unrecognisable. The first signs of ghettoisation are evident. This is the result of softie pinko policies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Fo Real wrote: »
    Evidence that FF are right wing then please. I already stated that their govenment invited tens of thousands of foreigners to our shores and now west Dublin is unrecognisable. The first signs of ghettoisation are evident. This is the result of softie pinko policies.

    FF allowed and encouraged immigration for economic reasons, not 'softie pinko' ones. Cheap labour from Poland.

    Simple reality is the vast majority of people in Ireland welcome immigrants to our shores and are happy to see the cultural additions to Dublin in particular.

    If there was a market for your xenophiba, there would be a movement. There isn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Fo Real wrote: »
    Fianna Fáil are hardly right leaning. Bertie considered himself a socialist. The recent Fianna Fáil governments oversaw the largest mass immigration into Ireland ever.

    I suppose you're proud of our gombeen politics. Let's argue over the civil war for another hundred years. I don't know what age you are, but let me assure you that the under-25s do not care about the Northern Ireland isssue. It's a foreign country. Let the UK keep the cesspit and subsidise its bloated civil service.

    You are the only person who mentioned the Civil War.

    Explain why Labour are top of the polls if we are still mired in Civil War politics?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭rightwingdub


    Europe's centre right parties would be considered left wing in America, your having a laugh when you call the Tories Right leaning, ditto with Berluscni, Sarkozy, the moderate party in Sweden but the SNP been right leaning is the biggest joke of all:D

    Sweden- The moderate party under Reinfeldt support a very generous welfare state, they have introduced very minor changes since coming to power 4 years ago, by Swedish standards they are quite centrist and if they ran in America they would be to the left of most Democrats. Einfeldt also won't touch the Swedish democrats with a bargepole, he has very PC views as he's opposed to even a minority government with Swedish Democrat support.
    France- Sarkozy only wants to increase the retirement age to 62 from 60, big bloody deal, it should be increased to 70. He also introduced a stimulus package in 2008 so beloved of leftie politicians like Obama who believe they can spend their way out of a recession..\
    Italy- Berlusconis government has done nothing to get rid of the jobs for life culture in the Public service, ditto with privatisations, competition, they are big government, big spending party.
    Britain- Cameron has moved the Tories to the centre now, he's a bleeding heart social liberal, okay granted he believes in personal responsibility and outsourcing local government but he's also a big fan of the statist NHS. On immigration the tories will soften their stance over time.

    To the op, you may be right over Sarkozy as regards the Roma but personally Ithink Sarkozy has made the right call. Onthe other hand lets get the facts straight when comparing the US Republican party to Europe's so called centre right parties.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Ireland has neither a hard right or a politically viable hard left. FF is a populist party more than anything else, FG used to be marginally center-right (for Europe anyway) before they decided they wanted to be FF-lite, and Labour is a social democratic party, not socialist.

    Sometimes Ireland's mushy-middle politics and passive citizenry are problematic (I'm still baffled by the last of street protests over the budget/banking situation), but I think they are an impediment to large far-right parties like they have in Switzerland and Austria.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭rightwingdub


    Ireland has neither a hard right or a politically viable hard left. FF is a populist party more than anything else, FG used to be marginally center-right (for Europe anyway) before they decided they wanted to be FF-lite, and Labour is a social democratic party, not socialist.

    Sometimes Ireland's mushy-middle politics and passive citizenry are problematic (I'm still baffled by the last of street protests over the budget/banking situation), but I think they are an impediment to large far-right parties like they have in Switzerland and Austria.

    Ireland does have a hard left party, its called Sinn Fein who still have a Marxist ideology although they are slowly trying to become mildly more socialist. I'm sure you heard of the Workers Party from the 1980's Gilmore's former party who wanted to have all the means of production in the hands of the people.

    No far right parties in Ireland, wasn't there a tiny neo-fascist outfit in the early 40's who stood in local elections.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭Fo Real



    If there was a market for your xenophiba, there would be a movement. There isn't.

    Over the last few months, how many people have said they're disillusioned with Irish politics? They won't vote FF in the next general election, but don't see Enda Kenny and Fine Gael as a viable alternative. I suppose Labour therefore becomes the favourite by default. Most people can see through Gilmore's vacuous soundbites though. Unless Labour are willing to slash the civil service and make wage cuts, they won't be getting my vote. But they'll never do this because they're puppets of the trade unions (another crowd of head-in-the-air beards). Sinn Féin are not even on the radar. A mickey mouse party for knuckle head terrorist sympathisers.

    There is definitely hunger for a strong right wing government here. Why should Ireland remain a backwater while the rest of Europe enjoy strong government that doesn't pander to minorities and unions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    The current recession has ensured the virtual redundancy of groups like the Immigration Control Platform. Their fundamental arguments have been blown to pieces as it was governmental interference with certain markets, interest rates, and massive public expenditure which has brought us to the brink of disaster. Their argument was based on the idea that immigrants would pilfer tax dollers, would sponge off the service of the state, and would be such an economic drain on society that it would drag Ireland back to the 1980s. Save for certain sections of the immigrant population, most were hardworking souls, who came to Ireland to earn a euro or two. It is a myth that they were "cheap labour" as most were earning more then they could have earned in their native country. Since the recession has hit, many seem to have returned to their native countries, or to other states where there is a possibility of a job. This is articulated by the presence of Irish people in jobs which were the sole reserve of the immigrant population during the "boom" years.

    I would equally question whether there has been a "rise" of the far right. In 2010 the BNP managed to increase their national share of the vote by 1%. However, they lost all their seats on Newham Council (comprising Barking and Dagenham), and Nick Griffin came third in a race where it seemed that he would come third.

    Groups of the Far Right often distort the reality by polling well in EU elections, where people are given the opportunity to voice their displeasure at an entity which many have come to view as unrepresentative of people's interests and beliefs (not my view anyway). As such, the likes of Le Front National, Forza Nuvoa etc have always had a chance to take a piece of the electoral pie. However, when it comes to representing national interests most of them fail.

    I agree that the performance of Jobbik in Hungary and the Swedish result would suggest a shift towards the far-right, however, this will fail as most nationalist parties are incapable of dealing with the day to day issues of government such as economics, as they never took an interest in them, beyond buying indigenous goods.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    Quote from O No YOU DIDNT

    "Simple reality is the vast majority of people in Ireland welcome immigrants to our shores and are happy to see the cultural additions to Dublin in particular. "


    i think you are misreading public opinion on this one,

    Landlords are delighted with migrants

    Employers are delighted also. Most eastern europeans here are super workers, timekeepers etc.
    Many unskilled irish workers whinge about this , but it is true.

    Most citizens i meet ,from all backgrounds would rather there were less foreigners here, especially asylum seekers. There are of course bleeding heart types who would disagree, yet they agree with border controls.

    I myself love living in a multicultural society , but can see the wood for the trees

    Regards, Rugbyman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Ireland does have a hard left party, its called Sinn Fein who still have a Marxist ideology although they are slowly trying to become mildly more socialist. I'm sure you heard of the Workers Party from the 1980's Gilmore's former party who wanted to have all the means of production in the hands of the people.

    No far right parties in Ireland, wasn't there a tiny neo-fascist outfit in the early 40's who stood in local elections.

    Sinn Féin are certainly left wingers but they're not Marxists: this was a key reason behind the split between Official Sinn Féin and Provisional Sinn Féin.
    You seem to be muddling up your Sinners.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


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    in fairness to the men and women of 1916 , was the term multiculturalism even invented back then , i doubt any country in europe was concerned with the concept in those days , the men of 1916 were certainly more egalitarian than the imperiliest overlords who they sought to banish from this country , of that thier can be no doubt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Fo Real wrote: »
    Over the last few months, how many people have said they're disillusioned with Irish politics? They won't vote FF in the next general election, but don't see Enda Kenny and Fine Gael as a viable alternative. I suppose Labour therefore becomes the favourite by default. Most people can see through Gilmore's vacuous soundbites though. Unless Labour are willing to slash the civil service and make wage cuts, they won't be getting my vote. But they'll never do this because they're puppets of the trade unions (another crowd of head-in-the-air beards). Sinn Féin are not even on the radar. A mickey mouse party for knuckle head terrorist sympathisers.

    So you have appointed yourself spokesperson for the Irish population?

    Labour are top of the polls because people want change. If I'm reading you right, what you are saying is they are only with Labour because there isn't an xenphobic hard right wing party for them to vote for.

    I disagree. We have had 15 years of right wing government and the most likely change of government today will be to a social democratic party in Labour. Same pattern, different timings.
    Fo Real wrote: »
    There is definitely hunger for a strong right wing government here. Why should Ireland remain a backwater while the rest of Europe enjoy strong government that doesn't pander to minorities and unions?

    But there isn't. Thats why the PD's are gone and the ICP and CSP are microgroups. Immigration is not and never has been high on the policitcal agenda. If it was, there would be a single issue party on it like we have in terms of the national question, environment or even internet controls.

    If your definition of a 'backwater' is that our political system is free from suits and boots xenophobic thugs, well that makes me happy to live in a backwater.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    So you have appointed yourself spokesperson for the Irish population?

    Labour are top of the polls because people want change. If I'm reading you right, what you are saying is they are only with Labour because there isn't an xenphobic hard right wing party for them to vote for.

    I disagree. We have had 15 years of right wing government and the most likely change of government today will be to a social democratic party in Labour. Same pattern, different timings.



    But there isn't. Thats why the PD's are gone and the ICP and CSP are microgroups. Immigration is not and never has been high on the policitcal agenda. If it was, there would be a single issue party on it like we have in terms of the national question, environment or even internet controls.

    If your definition of a 'backwater' is that our political system is free from suits and boots xenophobic thugs, well that makes me happy to live in a backwater.

    It was probably more cronyism right than anything. My main worry owuld be that all of a sudden Irish problems would be blamed on foreigners (could easily happen) and no lessons are learned at all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


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    Who are you reffering to here?

    Republicans? Far more internationalist than any other Irish political tradition. If anything its the Catholic right / GAA types that created this false historical narrative.

    There is absolutely no way you can put todays global society and the migration that follows in the context of 1916 and say they were anti-immigration. Appaling historical narrative. A rising that was led by a Scot and used German guns by the way...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    fontanalis wrote: »
    It was probably more cronyism right than anything. My main worry owuld be that all of a sudden Irish problems would be blamed on foreigners (could easily happen) and no lessons are learned at all.

    Which is what FO Real is trying to do, and claiming he speaks for the majority.

    No-one promotes this nonsense at political level, which is all you need to know about how high racist politics are on the political agends.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


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    And James Connolly was an International Marxist.....

    Irish Republicanism has always been internationalist in outlook, from 1798 being modelled on France, to German guns in 1916, figthing fascism in Spain to the Provisionals making freinds with Basques, Palestinains, Columbians etc.

    There is an insular proto-nationalist tradition in Ireland, and it isn't the same tradition as 1916.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


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    What does Padraig Pearse and 1916 have to do with the rise of the right-wing in Europe? Why do you feel it necessary to bring it up in every thread?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    So you have appointed yourself spokesperson for the Irish population?

    Labour are top of the polls because people want change. If I'm reading you right, what you are saying is they are only with Labour because there isn't an xenphobic hard right wing party for them to vote for.

    I disagree. We have had 15 years of right wing government and the most likely change of government today will be to a social democratic party in Labour. Same pattern, different timings.



    But there isn't. Thats why the PD's are gone and the ICP and CSP are microgroups. Immigration is not and never has been high on the policitcal agenda. If it was, there would be a single issue party on it like we have in terms of the national question, environment or even internet controls.

    If your definition of a 'backwater' is that our political system is free from suits and boots xenophobic thugs, well that makes me happy to live in a backwater.

    In fairness, you have sought to speak for the Irish population, and what they welcome. Of course you have no evidence to back that up, but is a convenient stick with which you can beat those who are not keen on immigration

    Here comes the leftist platitude of "change" again. What "change" are Labour going to bring ? For a start, as long as the Unions remain a large part of the Labour Party, Labour members will continue to advocate for wealth taxes, "trophy home taxes", artificially high wages (as was the staple of the Unions through high minimum wages, and unsustainale wage agreements which are crippling enterprise. They have also failed to articulate what they will cut to bring our debt back to a managable level. This is also convenient as it allows Labour proffer themselves as a party of "average Joe" who "needs" state assistance. Let me remind you that the guts of the Labour leadership were anxious to increase dole paymentsto young unemployed people who still lived with their parents. I admit they did that under the Democratic Left banner, but since the reverse takeover was a success it is fair to call them the same thing

    FF were not "right wing". Get that into your head. Can you tell me the rates of public expenditure rises over the past 6 years ? Can you tell me that it was not the last government which put in place the highest minimum wage in Europe ? Can you tell me that Irish health expenditure is the one of the highest per capita in any European State ?

    Equally, the claim that the PDs were right-wing in the ICP/CSP sense is complete nonsense. The referendum in 2004 was based on a Court Case in 2003 (I think it was Lobe v Osyande iirc). This was not something that was pulled out of the bag by the then Minister for Justice in an attempt to curry favour. In fact the decision was taken with full awareness that the party could be branded with all sorts of titles which were not to it's advantage. I agree that the PDs had a libertarian streak in an economic sense, but the history of the PDs would suggest a socially leftist ideal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    karma_ wrote: »
    What does Padraig Pearse and 1916 have to do with the rise of the right-wing in Europe? Why do you feel it necessary to bring it up in every thread?

    Beacause I said the reason we don't have an extreme right is because SF attract all the hardcore patriots and are on the left.

    In every other thread DF calls SF marxists and generally gives out about them being stinking commies. Now when it suits him they are on the xenephobic extreme right.

    Nothing like a bit of political opportunism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭Fo Real


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    I'm talking about socially conservative politics. I don't want to see mosques springing up all across Europe to the point that we lose our rich cultural identity. I don't need to tell you that parts of Paris and London are no-go areas for whites - I'm sure you're already aware of this. As regards the economic side of things, Ireland needs to produce something. Our economy is over-reliant on MNCs. When these companies decide that Ireland is too expensive to do business here, they will pack up and move to China.
    Illegal immigration is is incompatible with big-government social programs, because the latter so quickly become an incentive for the former. Many people (justifiably) have an issue with freeloaders from other countries arriving on our shores, demanding their benefits, services, and other "entitlements," especially when they have no any intention of working or paying taxes. That's only natural.

    I agree 100%. Scandinavia has a tradition of paying high taxes but expect high quality public services like transport and hospitals in return. When North Africans turn up to leech off these services and not work, of course the natives will be annoyed. I beleive this is the reason behind the results of the recent elections in Sweden.
    To combat this problem, we can take a hard line on curbing illegal immigration, we can deny benefits and services to illegal immigrants, we can cut back on social benefits in general, or all of the above. The problem is that the Left wants to do none of the above, and it is the Left's reluctance to take any kind of a stand agains the milking of the taxpayer that enables the xenophobic brigade on the far right to become popular.

    Again I agree.
    We have an insular nationalist contingent in Ireland that is highly focused on creating an "Irish identity." Between 1920 and about 1990, their work mostly involved whittling away at a recalcitrant contingent of Protestant Unionists and so-called "West Brits"—but now they also have Njobuenwu from Nigeria, Branislava from Slovakia, and Olesia from Poland to integrate into their vision. It's pretty clear to all that some of these puzzle pieces are never going to be hammered into the messianic framework that stems from 1916, which only creates hostility and resentment. The "heroes" of 1916 wanted an Irish Ireland, not an open, multicultural society.

    I have no time for the "anti-West Brit" brigade. It's gombeenism like this that keeps Ireland the backwater of Europe. We were deluding ourselves for a few years during the boom that we were a progressive, outward looking nation, but the reaction to the Love Ulster march showed this countrie's true colours. Absolute idiots. Likewise with the rent-a-mob protesters when Blair visited a few weeks ago. The same crowd of terrorist sympathisers that have been plaguing the country for years. Personally, I welcome hardworking EU citizens into the country, British, Polish or otherwise. They are legally entitled to work here, just as I am to work in there country. The Nigerians are a different story. I don't understand why they're here - they aren't "needed" for any particular job (we've enough taxi drivers, thanks).

    And you're spot on with your final post - the presence of the SWP and éirigí at every single bloody protest in the country would be enough to drive anyone to the far-right. The cheek of them hi-jacking the anger over the bank bailouts to further their own agenda of supporting the Palestinians. Unbelievable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Het-Field wrote: »
    In fairness, you have sought to speak for the Irish population, and what they welcome. Of course you have no evidence to back that up, but is a convenient stick with which you can beat those who are not keen on immigration

    I'm not speaking for anyone. I'm simply saying that if immigration was that big a deal to Irish people, the parties would have prioritised it or a single issue party would have made gains. This has not happened.

    More people care about their 'right' to download tunes and organised a political party than do about immigration.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Fo Real wrote: »
    I'm talking about socially conservative politics. I don't want to see mosques springing up all across Europe to the point that we lose our rich cultural identity. I don't need to tell you that parts of Paris and London are no-go areas for whites - I'm sure you're already aware of this. As regards the economic side of things, Ireland needs to produce something. Our economy is over-reliant on MNCs. When these companies decide that Ireland is too expensive to do business here, they will pack up and move to China.



    I agree 100%. Scandinavia has a tradition of paying high taxes but expect high quality public services like transport and hospitals in return. When North Africans turn up to leech off these services and not work, of course the natives will be annoyed. I beleive this is the reason behind the results of the recent elections in Sweden.



    Again I agree.



    I have no time for the "anti-West Brit" brigade. It's gombeenism like this that keeps Ireland the backwater of Europe. We were deluding ourselves for a few years during the boom that we were a progressive, outward looking nation, but the reaction to the Love Ulster march showed this countrie's true colours. Absolute idiots. Likewise with the rent-a-mob protesters when Blair visited a few weeks ago. The same crowd of terrorist sympathisers that have been plaguing the country for years. Personally, I welcome hardworking EU citizens into the country, British, Polish or otherwise. They are legally entitled to work here, just as I am to work in there country. The Nigerians are a different story. I don't understand why they're here - they aren't "needed" for any particular job (we've enough taxi drivers, thanks).

    And you're spot on with your final post - the presence of the SWP and éirigí at every single bloody protest in the country would be enough to drive anyone to the far-right. The cheek of them hi-jacking the anger over the bank bailouts to further their own agenda of supporting the Palestinians. Unbelievable.

    How will someone practicing their religion cause someone else to lose their identity. It's not muslims building roads through the hill of tara. Actually could you tell me what this rich identity is?


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