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Is this the worst recession ever?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Its always about disadvantaged individuals or people doing incredibly mundane things. I feel like jumping under a train after watching it.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ]Can't afford sky and share broadband with 2 family members.[/qoute]
    I am honestly sorry to hear that but how many people around the country are in a position like you. 10% maybe 20% max. Until it's 50 or 60% then it's not a recession in my opinion.

    While there s still brand new cars and houses being bought nothing will be done.

    It should be remembered that in the 1930s depression, about 70% were either completly unaffected or only very slightly affected by the downturn, indeed for many it meant they could get "bargins" go leor.

    It will be the same this time, unless hyperinflation is forced into the system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    This 'recession', if we don't act soon, could make the idea of the word recession, as we understand it, seem quaint; this country has never faced anything like this before.
    Being poor is one thing; a possible complete breakdown of all institutions and a debt that will stop us from ever having a chance to recover, to any significant degree, is another.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    What's depressing about Nationwide?

    Michael Ryan standing by a river in a small rural town, introducing the show and Mary "lovely legs" Kennedy meeting a German couple who've set up a jam making factory in Ballyhaunis.

    Nothing depressing about that.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Have the people on this thread claiming it's "not so bad" actually looked at the raw data on employment and government debt (rather than it being filtered through a newspaper or a politician)? It is all available online, and makes for truly sickening reading. Here are a few highlights from the CSO:
    - Last year during this quarter, employment was at 1.922 million. Now it is at 1.859 million

    - The employment rate for persons aged 15-64 has fallen on an annual basis in each quarter since Q4 2007 and is now back at a level comparable with that seen in the second quarter of 1998.

    -Employment fell on an annual basis in 10 of the 14 economic sectors.

    -The latest available figures for all EU-27 member states, which are for the first quarter of 2010, show that between the first quarters of 2009 and 2010 Ireland’s employment level fell by 5.7% while its labour force declined by 2.7%. This compares with a decline in employment of 1.3% in the EU-27 countries while the size of the EU-27 labour force increased by 0.2% in the year to Q1 2010.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Saganist


    From one of those dictionary thingamagigs....

    Reality:

    Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or may be thought to be. In its widest definition, reality includes everything that is and has being, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible.


    People dont seem to grasp this, Bankers Politicians Developers Estate Agents, People that think the economy isnt fuked etc etc....

    This place is ****ed. Year on year it will deteriorate. we are still one of the richest countries IN THE WORLD, hence the inevity, It will only go one way to be honet.... . If people dont think hard times are coming they're deluded..
    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    i blame thierry henry, almost a year on. we could've had a summer of shake-a-shamrocks and be all happy.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ascanbe wrote: »
    This 'recession', if we don't act soon, could make the idea of the word recession, as we understand it, seem quaint; this country has never faced anything like this before.
    Being poor is one thing; a possible complete breakdown of all institutions and a debt that will stop us from ever having a chance to recover, to any significant degree, is another.

    In the banking world the debts are just numbers on a spreadsheet, in the real world they can mean hunger etc.

    Best thing that could happen, would be a complete collapse of the current monetory system, forcing the governments to rewrite the financial model and replace the currencies with something that will work on a planet with finite resources.

    It will mean a few months of chaos, but a much better future for all of us in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭The Gibzilla


    The reversal of fortune that has hit the people of this country is so far very mixed. Whereas some can't afford to retain their homes and are at the forefront of financial turmoil others have simply had to change from smoking cigarettes to buying rolling tobacco and the "well-off" have felt little or no effect from the downturn.A small percentage of us are in real trouble at the minute but this looks set to change, soon a lot of people will face a massive drop in their standard of living.
    Hopefully we'll see the funny side of it in years to come when we're sat with our grandchildren telling them how "back in our day" we once had four televisions in the house, two cars and central heating while they've to eat raw eels out of the bucket(if some are lucky enough to own a bucket) and have to wipe their arses with leafs.
    ....the lil' b@stards are going to be SO jealous! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    Lol at peoples idea of a recession, we really need to travel more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭KungPao


    RATM wrote: »
    Lol at peoples idea of a recession, we really need to travel more.
    But we can't afford it!


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RATM wrote: »
    Lol at peoples idea of a recession, we really need to travel more.

    Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt!

    Was in Sierra Leone in the late 90s just after a dose of hyperinflation, paid my hotel bill with 20cm bundles of money and at the same time seen beggars with coins on a piece of cardboard. Another time in Poland just as they were reprinting the zloty with six or nine zeros removed from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    RATM wrote: »
    Lol at peoples idea of a recession, we really need to travel more.

    You're clearly hidebound by the idea that each country has a place in the order of things and that this will not change; economic situations are fluid.
    To presume that this country, regardless of its actions, is inherently above and cannot be touched by the kind of deprivation you've witnessed in other states, is mere hubris.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭LukeQuietus


    The fact that the majority of people who say this is the worst recession so far use OMG and IMO says it all to me.

    Anyone who saw the last recession isn't here. And neither was I and I know this is a pussy assed recession compared to other parts of the world.

    The general population are fine. People who bought houses or built houses are ****ed. Alot of them asked for it too. Other than them people are fine. And most of us (including me) are secretly loving it. Otherwise we wouldn't have let it go on this long and we certainly wouldn't have voted Fianna FAIL in for so long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    at least now somebody might start recording some proper music again.

    you know the angst-ridden, a couple of electric guitars & some drums sort of stuff.

    Christ maybe even Punk might make a comeback!:eek:
    Why bother, Just a re release of this will do. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    The real recession happens when in affects me.

    Well it's true isn't it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,446 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    The 80's was worse. By god it was bad. There was absolutely no work anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    The times and Rte have both picked up on this story and it seems to to say that it is the worst recession every and the second worst at the moment behind Greece.

    RTE:
    New figures show that four companies a day went bust in the first seven months of the year.
    Figures from InsolvencyJournal.ie reveal that the number of corporate failures so far this year has already exceeded the total for 2008 when 773 failures were recorded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    After seeing some of the frankly psychotic replies in the other thread, it's nice to see some people have some sense. :o

    As for the country, when we can no longer pay the public service wage bill and social welfare then we're ****ed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Is this the worst recession ever?

    Not yet, looks like it's only just getting started for Ireland.

    When you hear a big "thud" you know Ireland has hit rock bottom.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    gizmo wrote: »
    After seeing some of the frankly psychotic replies in the other thread, it's nice to see some people have some sense. :o

    As for the country, when we can no longer pay the public service wage bill and social welfare then we're ****ed.
    so we are fcucked for the last few years then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    so we are fcucked for the last few years then?
    Link to information regarding the government not being able to pay these things? No? Didn't think so...

    And no, the government cutting public service pay when it was grossly inflated compared to not only the private sector and other nations doesn't count.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    A nice bit of an aul recession


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    About 2 fooking years too late IMO. This countries economic policy is like a cancer patient spending a fortune on alternative treatments and quackery in the blind hope that they could avoid a major operation to remove the tumour. The government has stuck its head in the sand and allowed the rot to spread and now there's little hope since the tumour has gone too deep. We should have taken our medicine years ago instead we got pipe dreams and corner turning till we became so lost we have little hope of finding our own way out of the maze.

    absolutely right.

    Remember when this first kicked off, I was told it would cost each citizen just over €2,000 to sort out. I couldnt calculate what this is today. We all know its not entirely fianna fails fault but a TB ridden badger would have done a better job of managing it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    gizmo wrote: »
    After seeing some of the frankly psychotic replies in the other thread, it's nice to see some people have some sense. :o

    As for the country, when we can no longer pay the public service wage bill and social welfare then we're ****ed.

    Thats poetry my friend everything about this place in a one liner :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭bullpost


    Ah no - not quite. There was plenty of work in Europe. Thats what kept us going.
    When I came out of college it was straight onto the boat (for younger readers this was the preferred mode of transport for those on a budget in pre-Ryanair days) and off to London.

    I had a job within weeks of landing.

    This option unfortunately not so readily available now as every country has been affected by this crap.
    ebbsy wrote: »
    The 80's was worse. By god it was bad. There was absolutely no work anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    marzic wrote: »
    so she was preggers for 54weeks? OMG!
    (actually the feast of the immaculate conception is 8th dec)

    the immaculate conception was of Mary, not Jesus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    This recession is so bad that i applied for a chugger job. God have mercy on my soul!


  • Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are a lot of very ill-informed people posting in this thread.

    So far the current recession hasn't been felt as harshly or as widely as the one in the 80's but it has the potential to cause much greater damage to our country and our society if we continue with the current administration's headless chicken strategy. On paper it is more serious by far than the one in the 80's was, but that's because the country and the international finance environment has changed.

    Some important points:

    1-The backup situation of going abroad to find work if things go down the tubes here isn't nearly as viable as it was 30 years ago. This is a global recession, and jobs are scarce everywhere. The option to jump on the boat to england or australia where it's booming doesn't apply anymore. We are "in for a penny, in for a pound" this time.

    2-Ireland is carrying huge levels of personal debt, which it wasn't 30 years ago. In essence, because we were all duped into big mortgages, car loans, credit card bills, etc, and are in the red up to our necks, the level of the bread line has risen significantly. Any major financial upheaval that might befall ireland, such as a sudden inability to raise finance on the international markets to pay the public sector wage bill etc has the ability to push the country over the brink very very quickly through chain reaction. A lot of people have a much better standard of life than they had in the 80's, but many are still living it paycheque to paycheque, like they were then, and they have MUCH more to lose than they did last time.

    3-We now rely, for better or for worse, on the international finance markets to survive, where we didn't in the 80's before deregulation of those markets. At the moment we're broke, and they are our life blood. They are the only thing that is stopping us from having an inability to pay the public service wage bill for the hospitals, the gardai, the people who keep the streets lit and the electricity on. In short we, as a nation, are the peniless housewife that has gone to the only moneylender in town to get enough cash to pay the electricity bill so it doesn't get cut off after her husband has drunk the entire week's paycheque. If the government can't raise money from the international markets at a reasonable rate in the new year before the 3-6 month surplus pile of borrowed cash we have runs out, then their only other option short of total meltdown and chaos on the streets because they can't pay the bills is to give up our financial soveignty and allow the IMF and/or ECB to come in with their sack of cash and run the country's finances. If that happens, the IMF will be merciless, incompassionate, and will act without regard to quality of life within the state. They will look at the figures coldly, care only about the bottom line, and will raise taxes, cut social welfare, cut spending, close schools and hospitals, and do anything they deem necessary to bring ireland's finances back into line regardless of the social pain it will cause. Corporate tax rates will be under threat from europe, multinational corporations will flee, thousands of businesses will go to the wall, scores of thousands of jobs will be lost in public and private sector, and we will feel the personal social consequenses far more sharply and for a longer term than we ever did in the eighties.

    It sounds very pessimistic and negative, but the reality is this country is closer to the brink than it has ever been since the foundation of the free state, and the next 6-12 months is a key period in it's history. We are perilously close to going from the jewel in the european economic crown to a country whose population may have to resort to going back to accepting food parcels for survival in the near future.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    gizmo wrote: »
    After seeing some of the frankly psychotic replies in the other thread, it's nice to see some people have some sense. :o

    As for the country, when we can no longer pay the public service wage bill and social welfare then we're ****ed.

    You can't pay it now. You are borrowing to pay it. And your continued ability to borrow looks very tenuous right now.


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