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Arguments about teaching children god is real

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  • #152
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    No, but it's a damaging, unnatural and unhealthy attitude to inflict on a child.

    I don't know if it is any of those things to say that marriage is the best place for sexuality. It would seem obvious to me why this would be the case. Other people are entitled to disagree of course, but to say that it is damaging, unhealthy, and unnatural is an exaggeration as I would see it.
    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    I mean, if you have a child and they tell you they're gay, what is your response?

    I would say that I don't agree with it and why I don't, but they need to think and decide for themselves based on the issues and that this is their call to make and not mine.
    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    Anger?
    Telling them that you're disappointed?
    Requesting/Advising that they do not indulge in their sexual desires?

    Not anger.
    I wouldn't say I'd be disappointed, but I would let my position be known on the subject.
    I would put across requesting / advising that they do not indulge in such desires as an option certainly. In pretty much the same way that this is what I'll be seeking to do until a point where I will be married. Again, I would emphasise their autonomy in making such a decision.


  • #153
    metrovelvet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,375 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Why does everyone the hung up on the homosexuals? They are only a tiny fraction of the population. No one forces them to be Catholic. HD- you want everyone who is not gay to convert to a religion that supports homosexuality when the tiny population that is gay is free to convert.


  • #154
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭optogirl


    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Why does everyone the hung up on the homosexuals? They are only a tiny fraction of the population. No one forces them to be Catholic. HD- you want everyone who is not gay to convert to a religion that supports homosexuality when the tiny population that is gay is free to convert.


    I think the point is that being a member of a bigoted group & forcing your children to be a member is, in OPs opinion, abusive and offensive


  • #155
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    optogirl wrote: »
    I think the point is that being a member of a bigoted group & forcing your children to be a member is, in OPs opinion, abusive and offensive

    But no-one, or very very few, forces children into anything anymore. At least not in my experience, although I don't know if personal experience doesn't really count for much in these threads.


  • #156
    Herbal Deity
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Herbal Deity


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Not anger.
    I wouldn't say I'd be disappointed, but I would let my position be known on the subject.
    I would put across requesting / advising that they do not indulge in such desires as an option certainly. In pretty much the same way that this is what I'll be seeking to do until a point where I will be married. Again, I would emphasise their autonomy in making such a decision.
    And IMO, you'd be doing your child a grave disservice. I would think that one of the most important things that a gay person would need when coming out to their parents would be unconditional support and approval.
    metrovelvet wrote: »
    Why does everyone the hung up on the homosexuals? They are only a tiny fraction of the population. No one forces them to be Catholic. HD- you want everyone who is not gay to convert to a religion that supports homosexuality when the tiny population that is gay is free to convert.
    They're only one example. The sexual morality in general is probably the worst thing about Catholicism.

    And I want everyone who doesn't oppose gays to convert from a religious organisation which openly opposes gays and gains more power from having more followers, to one that doesn't. Is that really so unreasonable?
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    But no-one, or very very few, forces children into anything anymore. At least not in my experience, although I don't know if personal experience doesn't really count for much in these threads.
    I certainly had no say in my baptism, or communion, or confirmation. I had no sex education besides an abstinence talk. I had no say in being labelled "Catholic" on the last census as I was still living at home and did not fill it out. I may have to baptise a future child of mine if I wish to get them into a local school.

    "Forcing" doesn't have to be agressive. It can be as simple as going along with a cultural norm without really considering the implications of it.


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  • #157
    philologos
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    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    And IMO, you'd be doing your child a grave disservice. I would think that one of the most important things that a gay person would need when coming out to their parents would be unconditional support and approval.

    Should parents automatically approve of what their children do? - I don't think this should necessarily be the case. Parents should approve of what is beneficial and right certainly, but parents shouldn't necessarily approve of what is wrong.

    Personally, I wouldn't approve of any hypothetical child I had smoking or drinking under 18.
    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    They're only one example. The sexual morality in general is probably the worst thing about Catholicism.

    There is some form of sexual morality in pretty much all religions, at least all Abrahamics. I personally can see good reason for it, on a societal and individual level.


  • #158
    someoneok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭someoneok


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Hd-cqvLl4


    Great show and a good evaluation of the topics raised here.


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