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Red C Poll results

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  • #2
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    Hard to beleive FF still has 24%, I wonder if some people were being ironic?

    Also hard to beleive FG and Labour are both loseing ground, how bad do you have to be to lose popularity in the fac of the current Gov?:eek:


  • #3
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    24% for FF?

    What a disgrace. When will we ever learn?


  • #4
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    deise go deo wrote: »
    Hard to beleive FF still has 24%, I wonder if some people were being ironic?

    Also hard to beleive FG and Labour are both loseing ground, how bad do you have to be to lose popularity in the fac of the current Gov?:eek:

    The public may not have faith in FF - But their alternatives might just not be appealing to the voting public. The biggest swing in votes was to the independents of 3%, which indicates that people are not happy with the current choices. Sinn Féin gained 2%, which I'd estimate came from Labour - on account of what the public perceives to be lack of policy papers.

    If FF got rid of Cowen, and Lenihan was given the top spot - I could very well see FF hit the top of the polls again or come very close to it. It's doubtful that that will happen however.

    if I've learned anything, it's that irrespective of what FF do - they will always have a strong core base of voters to rely on.


  • #5
    deise go deo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭deise go deo


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The public may not have faith in FF - But their alternatives might just not be appealing to the voting public. The biggest swing in votes was to the independents of 3%, which indicates that people are not happy with the current choices. Sinn Féin gained 2%, which I'd estimate came from Labour - on account of what the public perceives to be lack of policy papers.

    If FF got rid of Cowen, and Lenihan was given the top spot - I could very well see FF hit the top of the polls again or come very close to it. It's doubtful that that will happen however.

    if I've learned anything, it's that irrespective of what FF do - they will always have a strong core base of voters to rely on.


    I guess Enda isent doing FG any favours, still think he would actually make a good Taoiseach though, FF will have their diehards but 24%? I hope that dosent come about in an actual election.


  • #6
    Rockery Woman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Rockery Woman


    Lets face it, Fine Gael have had ample opportunity to convince us they can run this country, but they have done absoultely nothing to convince us they can.

    The Greens are all but extinct.

    Labour could gain popularity, but as a party they aren't trusted by many people over the age of 30 because of their socialist leanings.

    Sinn Fein - have only a minority of the electorate because they are considered more Northern Ireland than Republic of Ireland.

    Socialist Worker Party - only for a few hippie lefties (not many of those in this country)

    So in my opinion, this country is screwed, regardless of who is running the show.... any suggestions? (non violent...)


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  • #7
    Rockery Woman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Rockery Woman


    dlofnep wrote: »
    The public may not have faith in FF - But their alternatives might just not be appealing to the voting public. The biggest swing in votes was to the independents of 3%, which indicates that people are not happy with the current choices. Sinn Féin gained 2%, which I'd estimate came from Labour - on account of what the public perceives to be lack of policy papers.

    If FF got rid of Cowen, and Lenihan was given the top spot - I could very well see FF hit the top of the polls again or come very close to it. It's doubtful that that will happen however.

    if I've learned anything, it's that irrespective of what FF do - they will always have a strong core base of voters to rely on.

    Unfortunately, Brian Lenihan is being treated for cancer and probably wouldn't be willing to take over until he is recovered.


  • #8
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    Rockery Woman wrote: »
    Unfortunately, Brian Lenihan is being treated for cancer and probably wouldn't be willing to take over until he is recovered.

    Why does everyone think Lenihan would be a good alternative? He's just as incompetant as Cowen judging by his performance as Minister for Finance to date.


  • #9
    Rockery Woman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Rockery Woman


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Why does everyone think Lenihan would be a good alternative? He's just as incompetant as Cowen judging by his performance as Minister for Finance to date.

    I suppose, but I have no faith in Fine Gael:(


  • #10
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    Rockery Woman wrote: »
    I suppose, but I have no faith in Fine Gael:(

    Oh I'm the same. But I'd rather see FG in power than a Lenihan run FF.

    A FG-Labour coalition would be interesting I think. They could potentially compliment each other very well. GB has Tory-LibDem, which seems to be functioning well so far. Could work here.


  • #11
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Why does everyone think Lenihan would be a good alternative? He's just as incompetant as Cowen judging by his performance as Minister for Finance to date.

    He looks like he's more competent and is far more listenable than Cowen. These attributes alone have a big affect on people who are only passively interested in thinking about it.


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  • #12
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    24% for FF?

    What a disgrace. When will we ever learn?

    its probable these 24% are the ones who are losing nothing in this recession, the elite of this country dont give a fcuk about the rest of us.. its FF all the way for these traitors...


  • #13
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    He looks like he's more competent and is far more listenable than Cowen. These attributes alone have a big affect on people who are only passively interested in thinking about it.

    I'm sure the elderly still resent Lenihan's decision to try to rob them of their medical cards.

    As for the rest of the public, they went through Haughey's sh!te and then Bertie's sh!te and still stick with FF. Guess I have to accept we're brainless enough to let FF, be it with Cowen or Lenihan, have another term. Scary thought.


  • #14
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    charlemont wrote: »
    its probable these 24% are the ones who are losing nothing in this recession, the elite of this country dont give a fcuk about the rest of us.. its FF all the way for these traitors...

    But surely 24% of voters havn't suffered to some degree during the recession. Or at least feel sympathy for those who have?


  • #15
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    deise go deo wrote: »
    Hard to beleive FF still has 24%, I wonder if some people were being ironic?

    Also hard to beleive FG and Labour are both loseing ground, how bad do you have to be to lose popularity in the fac of the current Gov?:eek:

    Enda Kenny Roisin Shortall bad it seems, judging from their recent media exposures.


  • #16
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    charlemont wrote: »
    its probable these 24% are the ones who are losing nothing in this recession, the elite of this country dont give a fcuk about the rest of us.. its FF all the way for these traitors...

    Not quite. It's all farmers, vintners, builders, public servants and pensioners. All of these groups rely on special favours from FF which the other parties would almost certainly take away from them (and besides, if you are a farmer you vote FF there is no other way to farm in Ireland).

    While these make up special interest groups, you'd hardly call them elites would you?

    Elites, in the sense of people who are actually making lots of money despite the recession, are typically FG supporters because FG are against any further tax increases at the higher end. It didn't used to be thus, FF had their own little group who were earning huge sums of money from government contracts. But those days are coming to an end it seems.


  • #17
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    This is a virtual copy of the May 2010 poll by RedC, see here http://www.redcresearch.ie/documents/SBPElectionPollReport30thMay2010.pdf

    Can we really take much from these polls???

    RedC polls seem to be repetitive. Maybe they askk the same people all the time.:P


  • #18
    imme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Sinn Féin gained 2%, which I'd estimate came from Labour - on account of what the public perceives to be lack of policy papers.

    www.labour.ie should give some answers to those that say that Labour has no policies. People say the same about Fine Gael, they can see them on www.finegael.ie I don't understand why people assert that these parties don't have policies.

    It's actually baffling:(


  • #19
    bcirl03
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭bcirl03


    What puzzles me is I don’t know one person who says they'll vote Fianna Failure - there must be a lot of closet voters of the Failures out there!


  • #20
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Why does everyone think Lenihan would be a good alternative? He's just as incompetant as Cowen judging by his performance as Minister for Finance to date.

    He's a barrister, so i don't know how we expect him to competently run the economy in our greatest hour of need.

    He's a very intelligent and articulate man and i think he comes across as very genuine.

    In all likelihood, he'll never now lead Fianna Fail, though he's clearly the best man for the job


  • #21
    deanh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭deanh


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    He looks like he's more competent and is far more listenable than Cowen. These attributes alone have a big affect on people who are only passively interested in thinking about it.

    Listenable? I'm sorry is that even a word? Seriously, do people like you have the right to vote? No wonder the country is the way it is.


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  • #22
    deanh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭deanh


    imme wrote: »
    www.labour.ie should give some answers to those that say that Labour has no policies. People say the same about Fine Gael, they can see them on www.finegael.ie I don't understand why people assert that these parties don't have policies.

    It's actually baffling:(

    Yes, It does seem to be FF spin being spouted by every cumman member up and down the country, with some success. Keep claiming that the opposition have no policies, despite the evidence, so as to frighten voters to stick with them. Its so obvious it would make you despair for Ireland. Had to laugh at Timmy Dooley? TD? on Matt Cooper last week after the tv3 poll. One minute, he said that the opposition had no policies. Next he wondered why the media were not questioning policy differences between FG and Labour:confused:. How can they have policy differences Timmy if they don't have policies? Perhaps your media advisor hadn't programmed that part of your brain.


  • #23
    Rosser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Rosser


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Why does everyone think Lenihan would be a good alternative? He's just as incompetant as Cowen judging by his performance as Minister for Finance to date.

    You're in a minority of one with that comment, any impartial analysis proves that. I've never voted FF but I will at the next election because as bad as they are they're best equipped to get us out of the hole we're in ( granted one dug by Bertie).


  • #24
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    Not quite. It's all farmers, vintners, builders, public servants and pensioners. All of these groups rely on special favours from FF which the other parties would almost certainly take away from them (and besides, if you are a farmer you vote FF there is no other way to farm in Ireland).

    Whoa there pony.

    I'm a farmer, so is my Dad, so are many people I know. Not all farmers vote FF, you are greatly misnformed on that notion. The current FF Ag minister is a waste of space, so was Calamity Coughlan. Current Social Protection minister Eamon O'Cuiv, made little of farmers at a non Ag meeting I happened to be attending. The same minister thinks so much of farmers he was 1.5 hours late and left early for an extremely inportant meeting to try to salvage something of the collapse of the REPS scheme, attended by farming organizations, councilors and TD's, as well as many many quite angry farmers.

    If farmers got special favours from the FF led Government then farmers wouldn't be posting things like <this>. The only alternative to the previous link is for consumers to pay full price on the actual costs of producing animals/milk/grains + profit margin. The food retail/processor industry are the ones who really profit, not the majority of farmers.

    People thinking farmers are rolling in money are dead wrong for the most part. There are wealthy farmers, just as there are wealthy doctors, businessmen, etc. We work hard, the most of us do that so we can just get by like anyone else.


  • #25
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    bcirl03 wrote: »
    What puzzles me is I don’t know one person who says they'll vote Fianna Failure - there must be a lot of closet voters of the Failures out there!

    You're easily puzzled. No such party exists.


  • #26
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Wide Road wrote: »
    You're easily puzzled. No such party exists.
    :rolleyes:


  • #27
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    I take polls with a pinch of salt to be honest, FF are always going to have that 24-25% vote because yes, some people are morons. Not that I have hope for any other party, or hope at all. FG should get rid of Inda, just as an aside, but I think everyone knows that.


  • #28
    bmaxi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    whatawaster wrote: »
    He's a barrister, so i don't know how we expect him to competently run the economy in our greatest hour of need.

    He's a very intelligent and articulate man and i think he comes across as very genuine.

    In all likelihood, he'll never now lead Fianna Fail, though he's clearly the best man for the job

    Being a barrister is excellent preparation for being Minister for Finance, where else could you get such an excellent schooling in semantics and doublespeak?
    I doubt if Lenihan comes up with any of the policies in Finance, he's just the rubber stamp for the civil servants. His main function would be to decide which of their policies would do the least damage to Fianna Fáil and their supporters.
    Unfortunately for them, hiding the scams under the carpet has become more difficult as the carpet is threadbare and we can't afford to replace it.
    Incidentally, is Red C a telephone poll? They could be making calls to the Cayman Islands or Monaco or anywhere, maybe that's why FF are on 24%.


  • #29
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    As far as I'm concerned individual polls are pretty much useless in this country, with geography, age and other circumstances being massive influences which there aren't enough polls taken generally to work out exactly how these factors numerically influence the results.
    Independents are going up according to that, I mean really, that's such a difficult number to measure when in some constituencies the independents will struggle to a hundred votes.


  • #30
    Colonel Sanders
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭Colonel Sanders


    Em isn't the margin for error 3% on these polls? If so only one change is statistically significant


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  • #31
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Why does everyone think Lenihan would be a good alternative? He's just as incompetant as Cowen judging by his performance as Minister for Finance to date.
    Rosser wrote: »
    You're in a minority of one with that comment, any impartial analysis proves that. I've never voted FF but I will at the next election because as bad as they are they're best equipped to get us out of the hole we're in ( granted one dug by Bertie).

    Don't make bold sweeping claims that are untrue; at the very least it's a minority of two, because Lenihan is incompetent at his role.


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