E(&)Soc

robby^5 · 24-09-2010 10:37AM #1

So I'm a little out of the loop, but this morning I was on facebook and came across a new society, ESoc DCU's "Enterprise" society, which distinctly reminds me of another society that was voted out of existance last year for very well publicized reasons.

So I dont know all the details but is it the case that only a few months after that controversy the SLC has completely bottled and approved what is essentially the same society with a new image? Is this the case, have the SLC actually approved this society?

From looking at their facebook page it seems to be the same people involved with the same agenda.

I guess they could be taking a serious approach to having an Enterprise society this time...

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...but somehow I doubt it.

gizmo · 24-09-2010 10:46AM

Garseys · 24-09-2010 11:09AM

*patiently awaits member of SLC to elaborate*

I wonder will any ex-DCU student be involved in running it again...

In fairness though, with E&S gone who was going to take the reputation of the "evil" society? :pac:

Carri · 24-09-2010 11:19AM

Garseys wrote: »

In fairness though, with E&S gone who was going to take the reputation of the "evil" society? :pac:

Don't you mean orange?

In all seriousness, I'm gonna just assume this is a rumour and in no way true... But if it is, I'd rather not have the SLC waste money on a society with the same people running it and the same agenda. ¬_¬

robby^5 · 24-09-2010 11:29AM

Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/esocdcu

Attol · 24-09-2010 11:31AM

It's a new society with different people. It'll be treated like any other new society and will be subject to the exact same rules as any other society.

Bluetonic · 24-09-2010 12:03PM

This photo was part of a 10 photo challenge from ESoc to first year business school students taking part in the Business School run BEST program on Monday/Tuesday or Wednesday/Thursday.

The people in the photo aren't members of ESoc.

The first year students were do to a 'no pants dance' and photo it, along with 9 others, and this is how this group interpreted it. Fair play to them, they all enjoyed it and it was run well by ESoc.

irish_boy90 · 24-09-2010 12:17PM

I was wondering why there were pants-less guys dancing behind me in the hub Yesterday. Hopefully they stop trying to rip off the other societys this time.

24-09-2010 12:39PM

SURE THEY'RE ONLY HAVING A LAUGH LOL, WHATS WRONG LOL?!!! STOP BEING SO SERIOUS LOL!

Green Hand Guy · 24-09-2010 01:22PM

Wow. What an amazing punishment. A society steals a bunch of money and engages in random twattery, so the SPC tells them to do a minor rebranding, makes them eligible for Best New Society and voids them of all responsibility for their previous actions. Bravo. You may actually have a worse first semester than last year's SPC.

Hauk · 24-09-2010 02:02PM

That money was just resting in my account!

lil_cain · 24-09-2010 04:04PM

Attol wrote: »

It's a new society with different people. It'll be treated like any other new society and will be subject to the exact same rules as any other society.

Does it have some kind of mandate to do something this time? Or is the 'good time not a long time' branding indicative that the SLC has just made the exact same mistake as was made several years ago, and approved 'getting drunk society'

llortaton · 24-09-2010 04:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

SURE THEY'RE ONLY HAVING A LAUGH LOL, WHATS WRONG LOL?!!! STOP BEING SO SERIOUS LOL!

Valuable input as always.....great job, really.

Anyway, to the more sophisticated adults in this thread: I guess it's understandable to be skeptical about this whole episode considering the history of E&S but to be fair to the SLC I'd imagine they'll be watching things pretty closely considering the history. I wouldn't begrudge them yet for any of this but it's a delicate situation to handle and I'd really hope they don't roll over and take it again like they had done for years.

lithiumoxide · 24-09-2010 04:47PM

"Favourite Quotations: We're here for a good time, not a long time"

24-09-2010 05:09PM

How can anyone really take this seriously? It's obviously just another piss-take society, which exists for the sole purpose of getting pissed and pissing everyone else off. It'll be dead within a couple of years as everyone realises that, no matter how hard they try, a load of business students congregating in the same place is the definition of anti-fun.

Bluetonic · 24-09-2010 05:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's obviously just another piss-take society, which exists for the sole purpose of getting pissed and pissing everyone else off.

Let start by asking what your opinion is based on.

The photo above? Why?

Something else? Why?

OrionsBelt · 24-09-2010 06:00PM

Had a look at the new E&S soc, my bad i mean ESOC facebook page and can someone please tell, where is the difference? The pointless Iron Stomach thing is now the Enterprise Challenge!!! how is eating dog food an enterprise challenge. please someone enlighten me

As for them being able to reform, it is a slap in the face to other societies that work themselves ragged, doing actual worth while events that benefit its members and the college and somehow manage to get upstaged by this pointless society. i can only hope that the SLC keep an eagle eye on them and their finances (as they should with every soc but give their track record of theft, lets not sugar coat)

supine · 24-09-2010 06:19PM

OrionsBelt wrote: »

Had a look at the new E&S soc, my bad i mean ESOC facebook page and can someone please tell, where is the difference? The pointless Iron Stomach thing is now the Enterprise Challenge!!! how is eating dog food an enterprise challenge. please someone enlighten me

I think it can be called an "Enterprise Challenge" given the definition of enterprise from dictionary.com:

–noun
1. a project undertaken or to be undertaken, esp. one that is important or difficult or that requires boldness or energy:

In that same regard, me going to the toilet is an enterprise...and i think calling their society that is a bit too ambiguous, akin to calling themselves "We do things Soc"

OrionsBelt wrote: »

As for them being able to reform, it is a slap in the face to other societies that work themselves ragged, doing actual worth while events that benefit its members and the college and somehow manage to get upstaged by this pointless society. i can only hope that the SLC keep an eagle eye on them and their finances (as they should with every soc but give their track record of theft, lets not sugar coat)

I'd say that will definitely be the case. It will be interesting to see what grant money they are allocated, i.e. what particular events they are planning. no doubt a foreign trip would should be laughed out of the Clubs n Socs office, and whether they get funding for events like "watch a load of people get sick in buckets" the Enterprise Challenge.

llortaton · 24-09-2010 08:04PM

Anyway, whilst you may be extremely quick to dismiss the new E Soc, I really think thats unfair. To assume that the SLC didn't examine proposed activities and events is just ignorant dribble. I'm sure you have more insider information though, what with your considerable knowledge of popular culture and media gained from the interwebs.

Sure, E-Soc may very well be a reincarnation of E&S but even if it is, so what? They're not an identical committee, they're new and fresh and those involved (if any remain from E&S, which we have yet to find out) will most likely remember the severity of last years punishment and base their activities around it. Say what you want to sing along with the populist tune but they have great potential and deserve a chance, which is more than can be said for some around campus...

TheChrisD · 24-09-2010 08:09PM

I can only wonder how much actual "E"'ing this new society will be doing as a percentage of the total of all of their events this year...

Attol · 24-09-2010 08:19PM

I've done a little cleaning up here. Next personal insult/off topic post will result in a ban.

Green Hand Guy · 24-09-2010 08:29PM

llortaton wrote: »

those involved (if any remain from E&S, which we have yet to find out) will most likely remember the severity of last years punishment and base their activities around it.

That's the problem. There was no punishment. They were un-disbanded almost as soon as they were disbanded. It's an utter disgrace.

Last year representatives from each society voted for E&S to be disbanded. Not renamed, not put on hold for a few months, not run under a different committee, disbanded! By allowing an identical society to be set up immediately after just flies in the face of a democratic decision. As one of the people who voted in that meeting, I'm disgusted with the current SPC.

llortaton · 24-09-2010 08:35PM

Green Hand Guy wrote: »

That's the problem. There was no punishment. They were un-disbanded almost as soon as they were disbanded. It's an utter disgrace.

Last year representatives from each society voted for E&S to be disbanded. Not renamed, not put on hold for a few months, not run under a different committee, disbanded! By allowing an identical society to be set up immediately after just flies in the face of a democratic decision. As one of the people who voted in that meeting, I'm disgusted with the current SPC.

This is true, aye. I completely see where you're coming from and I wouldn't say I'm personally 100% in favour of E-Soc, but ignorant dismissal of others about it is just counter-productive.

It could be argued though that the disbanding of E&S was a direct punishment on the committee involved, which in fairness it turned out to be as well. Disbanding it did cost them a fair amount in terms of time, effort and work. The society as a whole was shut down and put under some pretty tough restrictions (rightfully so!).

If other students want to try and recreate the scale, objectives, activities or presence that E&S had I personally don't see a problem with it so long as they stick within the framework of rules and regulations and actually participate productively with college life. No?

The democratic card works to an extent, but 'the voice of the people' hasn't been over-ruled, if there truly is public uproar about it then call an EGM of the SLC and demand the society is disbanded. (In practice I'm not sure if you can actually do this, since the SLC 'executive' has already approved the society I'd imagine they'd have to actually break rules to be shut down [again]).

I do see what you mean though, the whole scenario can just as easily be seen as a slap on the wrist but you have to at least see the more favourable points.

public_enemy · 24-09-2010 10:53PM

Garseys wrote: »

In fairness though, with E&S gone who was going to take the reputation of the "evil" society? :pac:

Ah, sure they only had that title on loan from Drama.

As a casual observer I have to say this is pretty hilarious stuff. I disagreed with the disbanding decision, but really, what's the point of having a vote at all if they're allowed to just change their name and start again?

Grudaire · 24-09-2010 11:52PM

There's a reason people don't like E&S, or ESOC for that matter, a lot of people put a lot of effort into their own clubs and societies (I'm not saying that people don't put a lot of effort into organising events for said socs). It's frustrating to see a club that does nothing other than have the craic get funding (from inside and outside DCU, although the Society status is very valuable to the soc in terms of getting to use the venue etc for events)

Every Club and Soc in DCU is at least 50% drinking clubs (One or two honourable exceptions) the fact that ESOC lists only two events in its calander "Nubar Pints" and "The E-Soc Enterprise Challenge" is where people begin to roll their eyes! At least pretend to have a fricking interest in the whole enterprise or entrepreneurial or whatever the damn E stands for

Carri · 25-09-2010 01:07PM

Cliste wrote: »

Every Club and Soc in DCU is at least 50% drinking clubs (One or two honourable exceptions) the fact that ESOC lists only two events in its calander "Nubar Pints" and "The E-Soc Enterprise Challenge" is where people begin to roll their eyes! At least pretend to have a fricking interest in the whole enterprise or entrepreneurial or whatever the damn E stands for

You forgot their photo competition..

Looking at their facebook page, they should probably take a closer look at some of the photos they have there to promote themselves..

But I guess we'll wait and see if they really are a *new* society.. rather then a revamped E&S

Urizen · 25-09-2010 07:31PM

Green Hand Guy wrote: »

That's the problem. There was no punishment. They were un-disbanded almost as soon as they were disbanded. It's an utter disgrace.

Last year representatives from each society voted for E&S to be disbanded. Not renamed, not put on hold for a few months, not run under a different committee, disbanded! By allowing an identical society to be set up immediately after just flies in the face of a democratic decision. As one of the people who voted in that meeting, I'm disgusted with the current SPC.

You don't even go here.

llortaton wrote: »

The democratic card works to an extent, but 'the voice of the people' hasn't been over-ruled, if there truly is public uproar about it then call an EGM of the SLC and demand the society is disbanded. (In practice I'm not sure if you can actually do this, since the SLC 'executive' has already approved the society I'd imagine they'd have to actually break rules to be shut down [again])

This is, as has already been stated, a NEW society. They will be treated as such. Most of the naysayers here have personal bias against the disbanded E&S. However, odd as it may seem, the SLC have this thing about putting away personal bias and making impartial, rational decisions. Which they did.

If ESoc break the rules, they will be dealt with as any society would be. However, a gang deciding they just don't like them trying to get them shut down will cause nothing but trouble.

phantom_lord · 25-09-2010 07:41PM

Cliste wrote: »

There's a reason people don't like E&S, or ESOC for that matter, a lot of people put a lot of effort into their own clubs and societies (I'm not saying that people don't put a lot of effort into organising events for said socs). It's frustrating to see a club that does nothing other than have the craic get funding

They don't like it because all they do is "have the craic"

I admit I'm out of the loop here, but what's wrong with that?

Green Hand Guy · 25-09-2010 08:03PM

Urizen wrote: »

You don't even go here.

Technically I don't graduate until March :P
Also, lifetime associate member of Artsoc.

Urizen wrote: »

This is, as has already been stated, a NEW society. They will be treated as such. Most of the naysayers here have personal bias against the disbanded E&S. However, odd as it may seem, the SLC have this thing about putting away personal bias and making impartial, rational decisions. Which they did.

If ESoc break the rules, they will be dealt with as any society would be. However, a gang deciding they just don't like them trying to get them shut down will cause nothing but trouble.

Maybe you define a society by the name or by a few committee members or a logo, but I would define it by it's goals and purpose, and this society's are seemingly identical to those of E&S.

Were we to vote to disband drama, would you then allow it's former members to set up Do-a-Bunch-of-Plays-Soc just months later? Or if your own Parasoc was shut down, would it be acceptable to immediately apply to set up Spooky-Ghost-Hunting-Soc?

This is just a rebranding of E&S, and the SLC dropped the ball when they approved them. Now it's too late for them to go back on their decision so they're peddling this "It's completely different!" bull****.

andrew163 · 25-09-2010 08:04PM

<edit>Apparently I was reading it wrong, thank god. Nvm.</edit>

Katniss everMean · 25-09-2010 08:07PM

Urizen wrote: »

You don't even go here.

This is, as has already been stated, a NEW society. They will be treated as such. Most of the naysayers here have personal bias against the disbanded E&S. However, odd as it may seem, the SLC have this thing about putting away personal bias and making impartial, rational decisions. Which they did.

If ESoc break the rules, they will be dealt with as any society would be. However, a gang deciding they just don't like them trying to get them shut down will cause nothing but trouble.

I would call myself unbiased, I never cared about the original soc, nor was I in attendance as a voting member at the EGM which disbanded them.

As a member of the SLC yourself, you aren't even acting within this discussion as someone that is unbiased and rational. You haven't read / or seem to care about half the questions asked. Maybe you don't seem to come across that way at all? Do you at least see the point being made by some, that asking societies to vote on a matter, then only a few months later disregard their vote seems very ode?

I know the SLC is elected to look after these matters, but this may have been one that should have been brought to the membership body. Not even for a vote, but a rational, here is what we have done, and this is why.

Anyway

may the rest of the year be less... rabbley for you guys.

E(&)Soc

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