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Just started running-Can I run the Dublin Marathon in October?

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  • #122
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    I completed the DCM in 2007 using the Hal Higdon novice training plan (I'm sure it's on the thread already). I went from not being able to run 200metres to finishing the marathon in 16 weeks (I missed the first two weeks training) and although it was an amazing experience and I rigidly ran every single mile in the training schedule I would not recommend anyone doing the marathon without properly preparing.

    3 years and about 6 physios later I still wake up at night with pains down the right hand side of my right leg (muscular pains) from not taking proper care of myself whilst training.

    If any physios reading this know what the pains might be please give me a shout!!!


  • #123
    meathcountysec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭meathcountysec


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    I went from not being able to run 200metres to finishing the marathon in 16 weeks

    Jeez, what pace was that at? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • #124
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    He obviously had a poor nutrition strategy.


    sorry, sorry


  • #125
    Krusty_Clown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    3 years and about 6 physios later I still wake up at night with pains down the right hand side of my right leg (muscular pains) from not taking proper care of myself whilst training.
    It just seems like such a natural challenge because it has become so mainstream. 'Sure isn't everybody running a marathon these days.'. The truth is that the marathon is a challenge best attempted once one has years of 10ks, half marathons and other distance races completed beforehand, with many thousands of miles in the legs. Sure, you can fast-track your way to the marathon but the risk of injury and failure increases dramatically.


  • #126
    Spunderbungle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Spunderbungle


    Right lads, need some honest advice.

    Quick history - started running around October 2008 having never lifted a finger and being very overweight. Lost the bulk of 8 stone through running and circuits and ran my first 5k race in 2009 - the St Pats day run through Dublin. Caught the bug for running and even after I'd lost the weight, kept it up.

    Decided as a nice climax to all the weight loss that I would aim to run four marathons in a year. That'd mean going from 20 stone in October 2008, to running four marathons in the year Oct 2009 to Oct 2010 :cool:. Not too fussed about the time, just if I could finish them all I'd be delighted. Going well so far, ran Dublin last year (4:10 :)), London in April (4:11 :mad: - but with a stomach bug), Tromso in June (3:52 :D) and booked in for Venice October 25th. (If you don't know Tromso, you should check it out - it's right at the top of Norway where there's 24 hour sunshine and the race is at midnight. Conditions are horrendous too - biting winds and lashing rain - it's awesome!).

    So after Tromso in June I've had some problems with shin splints :(. Had to basically knock the running on the head for 6 weeks or so over July/August. Managed to get back running (slow) for two weeks before the Dublin half last weekend. Decided to shoot the lights by my own standards out on the first few miles (I know, I know :o), then ran into problems around mile 6 with the shins. Was fairly knackered too. Slowed down, but the shins got worse. Ended up walking a bit in the last mile - partially the shins and partially cause I was knackered. Finished in 1:52 - which is perfectly respectable (PB is 1:43, so not terrible), but in significant pain :mad:

    So now I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to finish this marathon in Venice :confused:. Went for a 6 miler this morning, very slow, and the shins were at me a good bit from about mile 4 onwards. If I rest much more at this stage, I'm worried about having the fitness to get over the line in October. Not fussed about a time in Venice - have accepted that it's not gonna be a PB.

    Long read, I know - thanks for reading and appreciate any thoughts :)


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  • #127
    RayCun
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    I'd go to a physio. Lots of new runners report shin pain because their legs aren't used to it, but you're not a new runner. Best to find out what the problem is, and then decide about your race.


  • #128
    Krusty_Clown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    RayCun wrote: »
    I'd go to a physio. Lots of new runners report shin pain because their legs aren't used to it, but you're not a new runner. Best to find out what the problem is, and then decide about your race.
    Shin pain affects those who are not new to running too (worn out shoes, ill-fitting shoes, over-training, hard surfaces, etc).. As per Ray's suggestion, get yourself booked into the Physio as soon as possible. In the meantime, Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation.....


  • #129
    Spunderbungle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Spunderbungle


    Krusty_Clown wrote: »
    Shin pain affects those who are not new to running too (worn out shoes, ill-fitting shoes, over-training, hard surfaces, etc).. As per Ray's suggestion, get yourself booked into the Physio as soon as possible. In the meantime, Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation.....

    Sorry, should have said - I'm seeing a physio weekly. She reckons I'll be just about ok - the more rest I get, the better the recovery, but the less fit I'll be on the day.

    Thanks :)


  • #130
    jaytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭jaytobe


    Here's the decision...have the 20 miler on for the Cork to Cobh week-end in training for first DCM. Do I switch the 20mile to this week-end and run C2C at PMP? ...thoughts?


  • #131
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Spunderbungle wrote: »
    Sorry, should have said - I'm seeing a physio weekly. She reckons I'll be just about ok - the more rest I get, the better the recovery, but the less fit I'll be on the day.

    Thanks :)

    Try massaging the front of your legs yourself... softening up the small bit of muscle on the front of your shin may help.


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  • #132
    xebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    jaytobe wrote: »
    Here's the decision...have the 20 miler on for the Cork to Cobh week-end in training for first DCM. Do I switch the 20mile to this week-end and run C2C at PMP? ...thoughts?

    I'm going to C2C that weekend too, plan is to run faster than PMP but not a huge amount. Depending on recovery from that race I'll probably go for 20 the week after to give a two week taper, but I generally recover well from long runs so that shouldn't be a problem.

    Other side of my plan is that after tomorrow (touch wood) I'll have two 20's, a 19 and an 18 done already so the bulk of the work is done and I know that if I don't do that final 20 there shouldn't be too much of an issue...


  • #133
    Cindyss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Cindyss


    Just another query on LSR/Taper, I am doing a 22 mile LSR this Sunday,
    Followed by 15 mile PMP C2C on the 3rd of Oct.
    That gives me 3 weeks to the DCM, I am following Hal Hidgon Inter 1.
    He has 4 weeks out a 20 mile followed by a taper, But I am doing C2C 4 weeks out 15 miles not 20,
    Should I run my LSR (supposed to be 12 miles) 3 weeks out a small bit longer or just follow my taper,
    Hope you follow this ok, as a novice it is a bit daunting to see your milage go down instead of up close to the race day,
    Thanks,

    Gary


  • #134
    jaytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭jaytobe


    Cindyss...both HH Novice programs start the taper from 3wks out i.e. Oct 3rd w/e. It must work for first timers at least (which I am)....my dilema is whether to switch 20mile to this w/e and run C2C for prep.

    Xebec, unfortunately I've never ran 20miles so slightly different..feeling good after 2x18s to date so have no issue with a 20mile this w/e and another 2 weeks out??


  • #135
    xebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    jaytobe wrote: »
    Xebec, unfortunately I've never ran 20miles so slightly different..feeling good after 2x18s to date so have no issue with a 20mile this w/e and another 2 weeks out??

    Ok, understand better now. I'd go 20 this weekend so, then C2C at PMP or close to it which is worth at least 17-18 miles at LSR pace followed by Hal's taper. Don't worry about trying to get another 20 miles in before Dublin, your base level of fitness is there and C2C will be a good workout for three weeks out.


  • #136
    jaytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭jaytobe


    Tks xebec, will aim for that.

    I've put my PB over 10miles into Mcmillan to get my PMP....how real is that calculator..especially for a novice where PBs can be a memory!


  • #137
    xebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    jaytobe wrote: »
    Tks xebec, will aim for that.

    I've put my PB over 10miles into Mcmillan to get my PMP....how real is that calculator..especially for a novice where PBs can be a memory!

    McMillan is a reasonable guide as to what you should be capable of. It's most accurate when you use a recent race time and the race is as close to target race distance as possible... But it's only an indicator - if I stick the 10 mile time from the Frank Duffy race 5 weeks ago into it it suggests a half marathon time which is 3.5 mins slower than what I did last week...


  • #138
    jaytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭jaytobe


    Any cheap wristwatches out there for those waiting to see if they really need a Garmin!?


  • #139
    Spunderbungle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Spunderbungle


    Spunderbungle wrote: »
    Right lads, need some honest advice.

    Quick history - started running around October 2008 having never lifted a finger and being very overweight. Lost the bulk of 8 stone through running and circuits and ran my first 5k race in 2009 - the St Pats day run through Dublin. Caught the bug for running and even after I'd lost the weight, kept it up.

    Decided as a nice climax to all the weight loss that I would aim to run four marathons in a year. That'd mean going from 20 stone in October 2008, to running four marathons in the year Oct 2009 to Oct 2010 :cool:. Not too fussed about the time, just if I could finish them all I'd be delighted. Going well so far, ran Dublin last year (4:10 :)), London in April (4:11 :mad: - but with a stomach bug), Tromso in June (3:52 :D) and booked in for Venice October 25th. (If you don't know Tromso, you should check it out - it's right at the top of Norway where there's 24 hour sunshine and the race is at midnight. Conditions are horrendous too - biting winds and lashing rain - it's awesome!).

    So after Tromso in June I've had some problems with shin splints :(. Had to basically knock the running on the head for 6 weeks or so over July/August. Managed to get back running (slow) for two weeks before the Dublin half last weekend. Decided to shoot the lights by my own standards out on the first few miles (I know, I know :o), then ran into problems around mile 6 with the shins. Was fairly knackered too. Slowed down, but the shins got worse. Ended up walking a bit in the last mile - partially the shins and partially cause I was knackered. Finished in 1:52 - which is perfectly respectable (PB is 1:43, so not terrible), but in significant pain :mad:

    So now I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to finish this marathon in Venice :confused:. Went for a 6 miler this morning, very slow, and the shins were at me a good bit from about mile 4 onwards. If I rest much more at this stage, I'm worried about having the fitness to get over the line in October. Not fussed about a time in Venice - have accepted that it's not gonna be a PB.

    Long read, I know - thanks for reading and appreciate any thoughts :)

    Four miles this morning, blinding agony - I'm out :(

    Great morning for it though, nice and crisp around the quays, nobody on the streets, overcast but not raining.


  • #140
    DangerMouse27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    I started training for the Dublin Marathon in july 07 and ran it in Oct 07...5 HOURS 20 MINS OF HELL....! im since disgusted with my time,i should have put the effort in from that oct or nov and gotten a great reward with a deserved and good time. I suffered so bad. Took six months to re learn to get fast,a five hour shuffle is no marathon


  • #141
    meathcountysec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭meathcountysec


    DangerMouse27 wrote: »
    a five hour shuffle is no marathon

    Don't say that. You'll upset me. That's my target. :o


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  • #142
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    meathcountysec wrote: »
    Don't say that. You'll upset me. That's my target. :o
    There's a difference between a 5 hour marathon for someone who has properly trained for it and normally runs at ~11min/mile pace, and a 5 hour marathon for someone who is completely unprepared, but could do 3:30-4:00 with proper training. One will be a much more pleasant experience than the other.


  • #143
    meathcountysec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭meathcountysec


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    There's a difference between a 5 hour marathon for someone who has properly trained for it and normally runs at ~11min/mile pace, and a 5 hour marathon for someone who is completely unprepared, but could do 3:30-4:00 with proper training. One will be a much more pleasant experience than the other.

    Feeling the love now....;):p


  • #144
    Krusty_Clown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    jaytobe wrote: »
    Any cheap wristwatches out there for those waiting to see if they really need a Garmin!?
    Hi jaytobe, any decent stopwatch which supports laps/splits should do the job (along with a pacing band). Timex Ironman watches have been recommended in the past. This one from Argos has support for 30 laps, so you could record all of your splits from the marathon if you wanted to.


  • #145
    nachoqueen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭nachoqueen


    re the shins, have you seen the physio? I wouldnt say you are totally out, let the expert make the call


  • #146
    jaytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭jaytobe


    nearly sure there was a cork to cobh thread on this...cant see link? No real info on BHAA website..


  • #147
    jaytobe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭jaytobe


    Krusty_Clown wrote: »
    Hi jaytobe, any decent stopwatch which supports laps/splits should do the job (along with a pacing band). Timex Ironman watches have been recommended in the past. This one from Argos has support for 30 laps, so you could record all of your splits from the marathon if you wanted to.
    Nice one...quick question(as Argos were sold ou in Uk and Irl so searched Amazon). ...is a velcro stap better...less sweat, less movement?
    even more choice


  • #148
    Krusty_Clown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    jaytobe wrote: »
    Nice one...quick question(as Argos were sold ou in Uk and Irl so searched Amazon). ...is a velcro stap better...less sweat, less movement?
    even more choice
    Sorry, to be honest I don't know a damn thing about Timex watches. Just picked one from the list that was cheaper than the others and had a 30 lap memory. Not a bad idea to use that as your criteria: Cheap, 26+ lap memory, big lap button, etc. The cheapest one in your Amazon list seems to fit the bill!


  • #149
    RubyK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭RubyK


    jaytobe wrote: »
    nearly sure there was a cork to cobh thread on this...cant see link? No real info on BHAA website..

    Here's the link, it's in the events section http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056023354


  • #150
    Spunderbungle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭Spunderbungle


    nachoqueen wrote: »
    re the shins, have you seen the physio? I wouldnt say you are totally out, let the expert make the call

    Thing is though, even if the shins were magically better tomorrow, I haven't run properly in about 2 months. It's getting late to start training and build up the fitness again. Still in a lot of pain though - been seeing the physio regularly, she's banned me from running this week, then I've to do just two short runs next week. So I'll barely have the fitness to finish a marathon I reckon.

    Though I suppose I could go over and sure if it takes me six hours so be it (if the shins get better that is).


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  • #151
    Krusty_Clown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Spunderbungle wrote: »
    Thing is though, even if the shins were magically better tomorrow, I haven't run properly in about 2 months. It's getting late to start training and build up the fitness again. Still in a lot of pain though - been seeing the physio regularly, she's banned me from running this week, then I've to do just two short runs next week. So I'll barely have the fitness to finish a marathon I reckon.

    Though I suppose I could go over and sure if it takes me six hours so be it (if the shins get better that is).
    Trust your own judgement. A marathon on zero training (even if walking the distance) is a bad idea, and will likely only increase your woes. Skip it. Start training for Dublin 2011.


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