The alternative government ??????

dean21 · 15-09-2010 11:36AM #1

The alternative government will be made up of FG.
The question I have to ask is do we really want FG when one of there TD’s hears Brian Cowen on a radio, sounding a bit under the weather, goes straight on to twitter and says he sounded drunk or hung-over . This put Ireland at more risk to the markets.
If he had put on twitter “Cowne sounds tired and worn out” would that have made world news?
FG need to learn that you do not “ S**T on your own door step in these times and Ireland dose not need world attention like this “
I am no fan of FF and I want them out, but after this FG will not be getting my vote either.
FG bought unwanted attention on Ireland for Political attention and this was after Enda Kenny said he needs 10 year to fix Ireland
The Future looks very bleak with the alternative government

jmayo · 15-09-2010 11:56AM

dean21 wrote: »

The alternative government will be made up of FG.
The question I have to ask is do we really want FG when one of there TD’s hears Brian Cowen on a radio, sounding a bit under the weather, goes straight on to twitter and says he sounded drunk or hung-over . This put Ireland at more risk to the markets.
If he had put on twitter “Cowne sounds tired and worn out” would that have made world news?
FG need to learn that you do not “ S**T on your own door step in these times and Ireland dose not need world attention like this “
I am no fan of FF and I want them out, but after this FG will not be getting my vote either.
FG bought unwanted attention on Ireland for Political attention and this was after Enda Kenny said he needs 10 year to fix Ireland
The Future looks very bleak with the alternative government

FFS where are you people coming out of ?
Funny how always somewhere in these posts is the line
"I'm no fan of FF... but"

If that were true of all these posts then there is no way ff would be getting anywhere near 20% support, but yet they are. :rolleyes:

This story had broke through reuters who were there at the hotel and not through Coveney's twitting.

Stop trying to once again blame ff's shortcomings on other people.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 15-09-2010 12:03PM

Was intending to vote FG to to help keep FF out but unless they cop themselves on in the next 18 -24 months just gonna vote independent/labour/sinn fein if it isn't mary lou in dublin central

Laminations · 15-09-2010 12:03PM

jmayo wrote: »

This story had broke through reuters who were there at the hotel and not through Coveney's twitting.

Stop trying to once again blame ff's shortcomings on other people.

People seem unable to grasp this. The OP is factually incorrect

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Bottle_of_Smoke · 15-09-2010 12:04PM

jmayo wrote: »

FFS where are you people coming out of ?
Funny how always somewhere in these posts is the line
"I'm no fan of FF... but"

If that were true of all these posts then there is no way ff would be getting anywhere near 20% support, but yet they are. :rolleyes:

This story had broke through reuters who were there at the hotel and not through Coveney's twitting.

Stop trying to once again blame ff's shortcomings on other people.

Very harsh post whether the OP is a FF supporter or not his point was valid

Laminations · 15-09-2010 12:06PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Very harsh post whether the OP is a FF supporter or not his point was valid

No it wasn't, it is invalid, he is wrong about FG starting this - this is the type of FF rubbish of hear no evil speak no evil - you cant possibly dare to talk the country down, even if you are telling the truth.

Coveney just said what he thought, and it was what a lot of people were thinking.

Revolution9 · 15-09-2010 12:13PM

It's the Opposition's job to do everything they can do discredit the government.
Fair play to the FG tweeter. Newspapers all over the world are carrying the story, with a quote from him in it.
If I was in his position, and seen this chance to discredit the government and get myself more widely known, I would've taken it too.

This is Irish politics folks, if you don't play games like this then you'll never rise up the party ranks.

dean21 · 15-09-2010 12:14PM

jmayo wrote: »

FFS where are you people coming out of ?
Funny how always somewhere in these posts is the line
"I'm no fan of FF... but"

If that were true of all these posts then there is no way ff would be getting anywhere near 20% support, but yet they are. :rolleyes:

This story had broke through reuters who were there at the hotel and not through Coveney's twitting.

Stop trying to once again blame ff's shortcomings on other people.

The story broke on the ray darcy show on today Fm from people texting in about how cowen sounded on morning ireland
Then i would think coveney jumped on to twitter

dean21 · 15-09-2010 12:17PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Very harsh post whether the OP is a FF supporter or not his point was valid

On my life I am not a FF supporter
But the fact remains cowne is still in power and nothing has being gained for the world attention it got but to show Ireland as a complete joke

Bottle_of_Smoke · 15-09-2010 12:18PM

Laminations wrote: »

No it wasn't, it is invalid, he is wrong about FG starting this - this is the type of FF rubbish of hear no evil speak no evil - you cant possibly dare to talk the country down, even if you are telling the truth.

Coveney just said what he thought, and it was what a lot of people were thinking.

Ok I realise the twitter thing was wrong but the general point about FG needlessly generally cocking things up I would agree.

Whether it was on twitter or saying what he was thinking he should have known it would go public. Most people see this as him being a twat rather than Cowen a drunk so another blow to FG/ gain to FF. That's why I think his point was valid

dean21 · 15-09-2010 12:18PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

It's the Opposition's job to do everything they can do discredit the government.
Fair play to the FG tweeter. Newspapers all over the world are carrying the story, with a quote from him in it.
If I was in his position, and seen this chance to discredit the government and get myself more widely known, I would've taken it too.

This is Irish politics folks, if you don't play games like this then you'll never rise up the party ranks.

And they gained?????????????????

Laminations · 15-09-2010 12:18PM

dean21 wrote: »

The story broke on the ray darcy show on today Fm from people texting in about how cowen sounded on morning ireland
Then i would think coveney jumped on to twitter

So people thought it, but Coveney is at fault for saying it?

I think you'll find Cowen is at fault for doing it, end of

Revolution9 · 15-09-2010 12:22PM

dean21 wrote: »

On my life I am not a FF supporter
But the fact remains cowne is still in power and nothing has being gained for the world attention it got but to show Ireland as a complete joke

Exactly. This FG guy helped show just how much of a joke we are. Why are we such a joke? FF, and Cowen as Minister of Finance and Taoiseach has a lot to do with it. FG guy clearly made the right call, as now the whole world are talking about how foolish we are! Pressure rising on Cowen and the FF boyos. FG party will be very pleased with their little tweeter I imagine. Job well done. Opposition should always question EVERY single little thing any member of the government may or may not do.

dean21 · 15-09-2010 12:24PM

jmayo wrote: »

FFS where are you people coming out of ?
Funny how always somewhere in these posts is the line
"I'm no fan of FF... but"

If that were true of all these posts then there is no way ff would be getting anywhere near 20% support, but yet they are. :rolleyes:

This story had broke through reuters who were there at the hotel and not through Coveney's twitting.

Stop trying to once again blame ff's shortcomings on other people.

Coveney's twitted it at 10:16 AM Sep 14th

Reuters went online Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:56pm BST

have you another time when reuters ran with story?

dean21 · 15-09-2010 12:27PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

Exactly. This FG guy helped show just how much of a joke we are. Why are we such a joke? FF, and Cowen as Minister of Finance and Taoiseach has a lot to do with it. FG guy clearly made the right call, as now the whole world are talking about how foolish we are! Pressure rising on Cowen and the FF boyos. FG party will be very pleased with their little tweeter I imagine. Job well done. Opposition should always question EVERY single little thing any member of the government may or may not do.

But we are paying for it on the markets, cowen is there
I would / will say well done if cowen is gone by the end of the week
Other wise it is just another failed FG attack which will cost ireland millions

Laminations · 15-09-2010 12:34PM

dean21 wrote: »

Coveney's twitted it at 10:16 AM Sep 14th

Reuters went online Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:56pm BST

have you another time when reuters ran with story?

Whats BST, and how far ahead of GMT is it? Only BSTs I can find are 6+ hours ahead which wouldn't make sense

EDIT: Ah GMT+1 = summer time

We have the guy from the SBP as witness to the story going out so it must've been earlier

ILA · 15-09-2010 12:37PM

A real alternative would be a Labour/Sinn Fein/Indepedent or smaller party government. It would be fantastic for the country except that Gilmore is too much of a stick to go for it

Revolution9 · 15-09-2010 12:40PM

dean21 wrote: »

But we are paying for it on the markets, cowen is there
I would / will say well done if cowen is gone by the end of the week
Other wise it is just another failed FG attack which will cost ireland millions

He won't be gone by the end of the week. Probably won't be gone by the end of the year.
But it's worth taking the risk to attempt to pressure him and FF. Can't expect every political attack to pay off, although this can't be seen as a failure as papers in New York, Paris etc. are all running the story. This won't be forgotten and could turn more voters to FG/Labour/Other in the long term

Cost millions in the short term, but FF have cost BILLIONS in the last few years through their own corrupt circles. This is collateral damage.

Brussels Sprout · 15-09-2010 01:30PM

dean21 wrote: »

On my life I am not a FF supporter

I seem to remember you being very pro-public sector in some other thread. So yes I'd imagine you're definitely a Labour supporter given their pledge to reverse the cuts.

NOGMaxpower · 15-09-2010 01:38PM

ILA wrote: »

A real alternative would be a Labour/Sinn Fein/Indepedent or smaller party government. It would be fantastic for the country except that Gilmore is too much of a stick to go for it

Here here ILA, we need change and a true alternative that will result in either FG and FF being removed from power. Both are as bad as the other witht he quangos and back handers. Replace FF with FG and the issues will continue with no reform of our governance.

I've for that a FF Labour coalition would be jsut what Irelands. Sure people will say the ol ramblings of SF not being experienced enough to run the economy but they are doing it already in the North and more successfully than in the south.

The key problem is Irish society has been sucked into a 2 tier political system with FF leading the way and FG tail gating. However niether have any true policies to lead us out of recession in fact anything they do will only increase the **** we're in.

So give what the smaller parties want, a chance to govern. Let them feck up, sure it can't get any worse. if it doesn't work bam call for an election and take back in the best of the worst FF.

Having said that Ireland and its people have no idea what this republic means any more and are content with being ripped off and taken for a ride by FF.

Liam Byrne · 15-09-2010 01:49PM

dean21 wrote: »

On my life I am not a FF supporter
But the fact remains cowne is still in power and nothing has being gained for the world attention it got but to show Ireland as a complete joke

And who was it that showed it this way ?

This "shoot the messenger" crap is pathetic.

Did you consider the fact that RTE can be listened to online and that recordings of the show are available via podcasts ?

So people abroad would have heard this idiot regardless.

But we are paying for it on the markets, cowen is there
I would / will say well done if cowen is gone by the end of the week
Other wise it is just another failed FG attackIt is yet another Cowen/FF screw-up which will cost ireland millions

The bottom line is that this is Cowen's fault, and absolutely no-one else's.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 15-09-2010 02:01PM

NOGMaxpower wrote: »

I've for that a FF Labour coalition would be jsut what Irelands. Sure people will say the ol ramblings of SF not being experienced enough to run the economy but they are doing it already in the North and more successfully than in the south.
any more and are content with being ripped off and taken for a ride by FF.

People say they're too left wing not too inexperienced!

Anyway they haven't been running it in the north devolution hasn't been in place very long and DUP's Sammy Wilson is finance minister. They also have advantages like a weekish sterling(up until recently anyway) and far lower minimum wage which helps massively with employment

Personally I don't know what would happen. If in power I think they'd become far more centrist tbh

dean21 · 15-09-2010 02:31PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

He won't be gone by the end of the week. Probably won't be gone by the end of the year.
But it's worth taking the risk to attempt to pressure him and FF. Can't expect every political attack to pay off, although this can't be seen as a failure as papers in New York, Paris etc. are all running the story. This won't be forgotten and could turn more voters to FG/Labour/Other in the long term

Cost millions in the short term, but FF have cost BILLIONS in the last few years through their own corrupt circles. This is collateral damage.

I think labour are loving this

HQvhs · 15-09-2010 02:34PM

dean21 wrote: »

The alternative government will be made up of FG.
The question I have to ask is do we really want FG when one of there TD’s hears Brian Cowen on a radio, sounding a bit under the weather, goes straight on to twitter and says he sounded drunk or hung-over . This put Ireland at more risk to the markets.
If he had put on twitter “Cowne sounds tired and worn out” would that have made world news?
FG need to learn that you do not “ S**T on your own door step in these times and Ireland dose not need world attention like this “
I am no fan of FF and I want them out, but after this FG will not be getting my vote either.
FG bought unwanted attention on Ireland for Political attention and this was after Enda Kenny said he needs 10 year to fix Ireland
The Future looks very bleak with the alternative government

Brian Cowen brought unwanted attention on himself.
The Reuters story was up before Coveny sent out the tweet.
He's being used as a scapegoat by FF to deflect attention.

dean21 · 15-09-2010 02:36PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And who was it that showed it this way ?

This "shoot the messenger" crap is pathetic.

Did you consider the fact that RTE can be listened to online and that recordings of the show are available via podcasts ?

So people abroad would have heard this idiot regardless.

The bottom line is that this is Cowen's fault, and absolutely no-one else's.

They could have heard it but it was the fact that drink, hung-over and drunk was bought in to it by FG that the world was interested
The world dose not care what a person sound like
Today the world has lost interested in the story but had the bond market??

dean21 · 15-09-2010 02:38PM

HQvhs wrote: »

Brian Cowen brought unwanted attention on himself.
The Reuters story was up before Coveny sent out the tweet.
He's being used as a scapegoat by FF to deflect attention.

did they run with him being drunk or hung over first?

irishh_bob · 15-09-2010 03:58PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

It's the Opposition's job to do everything they can do discredit the government.
Fair play to the FG tweeter. Newspapers all over the world are carrying the story, with a quote from him in it.
If I was in his position, and seen this chance to discredit the government and get myself more widely known, I would've taken it too.

This is Irish politics folks, if you don't play games like this then you'll never rise up the party ranks.

politics is a bloodsport internationally yet politics irish style is still quite tame by comparison , what coveny did would be seen in american politcs every day of the week , over there , every single poltical swipe is below the belt , beit sarah palin claiming that obama wants to turn off grandmas life support machine or whatever , i remember back in 2004 when john kerry was running against george bush , fox news ( which is part of the republican party ) ran a question on several of thier shows one day during the run up to the election , DOES KERRY LOOK FRENCH , while it was a meaningless baseless accusation , the seed was planted and it painted kerry in a negative light , the accusation against cowen however is not at all baseless , the whole nation heard him slur through an interview , the opposition had a golden opportunity handed to them , fine gael have been criticised for being too nice up to now , perhaps they believe its time they started to fight dirty , heaven knows , thats how fianna fail have always fought , ive always thought coveny was a bit of a gob****e , nice but dim but on this occasion he was dead right to go for the jugular

Revolution9 · 15-09-2010 04:14PM

irishh_bob wrote: »

politics is a bloodsport internationally yet politics irish style is still quite tame by comparison , what coveny did would be seen in american politcs every day of the week , over there , every single poltical swipe is below the belt , beit sarah palin claiming that obama wants to turn off grandmas life support machine or whatever , i remember back in 2004 when john kerry was running against george bush , fox news ( which is part of the republican party ) ran a question on several of thier shows one day during the run up to the election , DOES KERRY LOOK FRENCH , while it was a meaningless baseless accusation , the seed was planted and it painted kerry in a negative light , the accusation against cowen however is not at all baseless , the whole nation heard him slur through an interview , the opposition had a golden opportunity handed to them , fine gael have been criticised for being too nice up to now , perhaps they believe its time they started to fight dirty , heaven knows , thats how fianna fail have always fought , ive always thought coveny was a bit of a gob****e , nice but dim but on this occasion he was dead right to go for the jugular

+1.
Everyone moans about FG not being ruthless, being too nice. Now one of their lads actually attacks our dear leader, and half the country dislike him for it.

I dislike FG (not as much as FF obviously) but Coveny certainly made the right decision.

Pat D. Almighty · 15-09-2010 04:27PM

A Labour/Sinn Fein/Independent coalition would be very interesting. Labour are certainly not as left as they used to be, and some of Sinn Feins decisions in the Stormont assembly have not been helped by sharing power with the centre-right DUP.
However, maybe Gilmore and co, along with the elected Sinn Fein TD could move towards a more left leaning government. Pearse O'Doherty, who will more than likely get the Donegal South-West seat, is a champion of keeping Sinn Fein left, along with O Snodaigh. McDonald, if she gets in, I'm not too sure about in terms of her leanings. Arthur Morgan is certainly left-leaning, but he has already announced that he wont be contesting his seat in Louth at the next election.
On the independent side of things, I wonder will Finian mcGrath be a kingmaker?

deanh · 15-09-2010 04:35PM

dean21 wrote: »

Coveney's twitted it at 10:16 AM Sep 14th

Reuters went online Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:56pm BST

have you another time when reuters ran with story?

thread 'Cowen on the radio this morning' on boards.ie opened at 09:46 irish time. when op montec used the phrase 'Tired and emotional', a well known euphamism for pissed and not quite woken up yet.

astrofool · 15-09-2010 04:53PM

Look, the only realistic way to definitely get rid of FF, is to vote FG en masse.

Lab/SF/Ind would destroy the country as a government.

FG/Lab is about the only palatable alternative, but the message needs to be clear. If people want to get rid of FF, they need to vote for FG. Give your second preference to whoever else, but get FF out of power first, then start worrying about getting in your other preferred government.

Flocking to the small guys now will only help FF.

The alternative government ??????

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