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Meaning of "Béarla"

  • 14-09-2010 9:57am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭✭ stephanus


    I know it is the word for the English language. But what is it derived from? All the other denominations for languages are derived from the people or country connected with them (well, most of the times at least). But Béarla puzzles me. I cannot make any connection to any region or any people or any event.

    Does anyone know?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,057 Krusader


    Sacs-Béarla is the long version

    I heard Béarla means or use to mean jibberish


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,041 who the fug


    Crosáidí wrote: »
    Sacs-Béarla

    What is the literal translation of this


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭ Micilin Muc


    The meaning of Béarla is speech according to Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla Uí Dhónaill.

    Dineen gives the following terms: Béarla Chríost (Latin), Béarla Eadarscartha (the parted language/an old dialect of Irish).


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,057 Krusader


    Sacs = Saxon
    Sasanach = Saxon (person)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,041 who the fug


    Thanks for that

    Did they have a work for the Normans?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,057 Krusader


    na normannaigh - the normans

    Remember the normans didnt speak English or anglo-saxon they spoke French, there are a few words in Gaeilge with French roots like,

    gasúr - child/boy (garcon)
    gasún - boy (garcon)
    seomra - room (chambre)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,041 who the fug


    Crosáidí wrote: »
    na normannaigh - the normans

    Remember the normans didnt speak English or anglo-saxon they spoke French, there are a few words in Gaeilge with French roots like,



    Appreciate they spoke French, but did the Irish identify them as a separate race of people to the native English

    Re Irish words with French roots

    Does on Reynard for a fox date back to this time ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,005 Enkidu


    Appreciate they spoke French, but did the Irish identify them as a separate race of people to the native English
    Yeah they did. The Irish had known the Anglo-Saxons for some time at that point (over four centuries). Where as the Normans were a new arrival to the British Isles. Also the Irish at the time had a tendency to classify people by their language so the Normans with their French stood out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭✭ stephanus


    Interesting! My linguistic world is whole again. :D I simply could not make Béarla fit anywhere. No i can.
    Thanks a lot and also for the background information.


  • Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭ mr chips


    As Crosáidí says, it comes from an old word meaning gibberish.* As far as I know the root word was "Geurla".

    *For some childish reason, this pleases me. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭✭ stephanus


    Reminds me of the Greek "barbaros" also meaning stammering or gibberish. ;)


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