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raising water without a pump?

  • 12-09-2010 05:39PM
    #1
    f05bf1c21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭


    can you raise water without a pump? i need to raise water about 10 feet but have no power and want to do it for a low cost. it is to provide drinking water for cattle. i would be lifting it from a well with a water level 10 foot lower the the water trough.
    i was thinking of brining a pipe from the well straight up into a tree (about 20 feet high) and then bring maybe 3 times the amount of piping back down to the drinking trough ( 10 feet higher than well) i would be hoping that once the pipe is initially full of water there would be 3 times the weight of water going down from the height point than there would be going up to the height point so i would be hoping this would pull the water up the pipe. will this work or whats the best solution?
    any ideas or help would be greatly appricated


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  • #2
    DoneDL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭DoneDL


    Like the theory, it might "well" work, :D you might be able to fill the pipe initially then fit a tap or valve this way the pipe will be primed and should be able to counteract gravity. If the rise was 15 meters to a loose u-bend then it dropped 5 meters to the trough then in theory it could provide the lift to allow a permanent flow or if it doesn't increase the height of the bend, good luck, sounds like fun. SORRY I ment feet,


  • #3
    Jokesetal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Jokesetal


    Sounds like a good syphon to me!
    The only catch being the system remaining air tight (outlet would need to be below the water line) and have a stop-cock set up. Used on many an ocassion to empty out oil tanks!


  • #4
    ApeXaviour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,523 ✭✭✭ApeXaviour


    I'm afraid it won't work. The reservoir needs to be higher (greater potential energy) than the trough.

    In your case the siphon will work in reverse, draining the water from the trough (assuming the pipe end is submerged) back into the well.

    You require work to be done... i.e. water has to be lifted a certain distance. This takes energy and you can't create energy from nothing (unfortunately ;)). I assume you don't need any great pressure? Perhaps modifying a cheap solar powered pump, garden stores have them for fountains.


  • #5
    antiselfdual
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭antiselfdual


    Archimedes' screw ?


  • #6
    ligertigon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭ligertigon


    f05bf1c21 wrote: »
    can you raise water without a pump? i need to raise water about 10 feet but have no power and want to do it for a low cost. it is to provide drinking water for cattle. i would be lifting it from a well with a water level 10 foot lower the the water trough.
    i was thinking of brining a pipe from the well straight up into a tree (about 20 feet high) and then bring maybe 3 times the amount of piping back down to the drinking trough ( 10 feet higher than well) i would be hoping that once the pipe is initially full of water there would be 3 times the weight of water going down from the height point than there would be going up to the height point so i would be hoping this would pull the water up the pipe. will this work or whats the best solution?
    any ideas or help would be greatly appricated

    Why no pump? I assume the area is remote?
    You could get an inline water pump with pulley (even from certain cars) and put turbine blades (pvc pipe) on it on it so it turns via the wind.

    lots on youtube, btw I have made one, not that difficult.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAdUmDDt-YI


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  • #7
    DoneDL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭DoneDL


    Any problems with the idea of installing a 10mm pipe connected to a section of 1 inch pipe. Theory being that the weight of the inline resevoir of the 1 inch might overcome gravity?


  • #8
    10-10-20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭10-10-20


    If this was possible, there would be no need for these common devices...

    http://www.windmills.net/

    An archimedes screw requires power to drive the screw, hence it's not suitable.


  • #9
    antiselfdual
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭antiselfdual


    I'm obviously aware power is needed for the Archimedes' screw, I was thinking wind-power or else wondering whether it would be feasible to operate it manually as needed (having no real idea how efficient it would be compared to a pump), the idea of combining windmills + a normal sort of pump being apparently too obvious for me to think of...


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