Kenny: I'll need ten years to fix the economy

ILA · 13-09-2010 08:38AM #1

Link: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/kenny-ill-need-10-years-to-fix-economy-2335225.html

So finally he admits that Fine Gael will be no different in power than the FF/Green screw ups. With FF's history of graft, they'd probably be able to turn the economic around in about five years.

gandalf · 13-09-2010 08:56AM

Graft you say LOL!! With FF's history of mismanagement and feathering their own and their sponsors nests we will be in a even bigger hole if they continued on their disasterous management of the country.

What is worrying to see that their are those who are still following the soldiers of destiny disaster with blind loyalty after the complete mess they have made of things.

MidlandsM · 13-09-2010 08:58AM

ILA wrote: »

With FF's history of graft, they'd probably be able to turn the economic around in about five years.

what an erronious statement you posted.........:rolleyes:

R P McMurphy · 13-09-2010 09:01AM

The damage is already done and the private debts of a handful of powerful people have been transformed into public debts. Thanks to a cosy agreement the gambling debts of a few well connected people will bring the country to its knees and be responsible for many deaths (due to inadequate funding of heaLthcare system) and untold missed opportunities to developm the country. I dont think any party can handle what is coming down the road. Our independence has been sold out and the ECB will call the shots.

MidlandsM · 13-09-2010 09:03AM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Our independence has been sold out and the ECB IMF will call the shots.

FYP;)

PeterIanStaker · 13-09-2010 09:05AM

ILA wrote: »

. With FF's history of graft, they'd probably be able to turn the economic around in about five years.

Are you serious?

Does ILA stand for I Love Ahern? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ILA · 13-09-2010 09:05AM

To clarify, I'm opposed to FF, FG, Greens and Labour. Its just another note to show that you're dealing with twiddle dumb and twiddle dee, there's no real difference between the two and they're claims to magically repair the economy are hollow.

R P McMurphy · 13-09-2010 09:05AM

I can'tsee the IMF coming in to address the finances of a eurozone country. Much more lokely to be the ECB although not much difference in practical terms. We will not be allowed to default.

themadchef · 13-09-2010 09:17AM

ILA wrote: »

there's no real difference between the two and they're claims to magically repair the economy are hollow.

Aren't we the problem though?

People are looking for magic when there is none. There is pain. lots of "suck it up" budgets and no one has the balls to do it.

5 years we could be back off on our feet if the cut throat measures were made. The welfare budget is crazy. This country is borrowing to live. We need to live within our means and stop piling the problem onto the never never.

Yet no one wants to feel the pain, no one wants to take the cut.... there is no magic.

Kenny just wants into government. It wont change the system.

gandalf · 13-09-2010 09:26AM

ILA wrote: »

To clarify, I'm opposed to FF, FG, Greens and Labour. Its just another note to show that you're dealing with twiddle dumb and twiddle dee, there's no real difference between the two and they're claims to magically repair the economy are hollow.

Well if thats the case explain your opening statement?

With FF's history of graft, they'd probably be able to turn the economic around in about five years.

Looks to me you have different levels of opposition eh

danbohan · 13-09-2010 09:29AM

ILA wrote: »

To clarify, I'm opposed to FF, FG, Greens and Labour. Its just another note to show that you're dealing with twiddle dumb and twiddle dee, there's no real difference between the two and they're claims to magically repair the economy are hollow.

ssssshhhh , be quiet , a lot of people in ireland think that when we get clowen and co out everything be grand , wrong . have you had a look at what might make up the minsters in the alternative goverment as bad if not worse than the idiots already there . bottom line is we as a people and a country have elected poor quality people from all partys , can you think of any other country in the world that would be happy to have enda kenny as its leader , i cant . so unless we can completely change course and remove all the deadwood at next election including enda kenny i would not have much hope that future goverment will be any better than what we have .

R P McMurphy · 13-09-2010 09:34AM

themadchef wrote: »

Aren't we the problem though?

5 years we could be back off on our feet if the cut throat measures were made. The welfare budget is crazy. This country is borrowing to live. We need to live within our means and stop piling the problem onto the never never.

While we need to reduce the deficit, there does need to be a balance. Cutting too much out of the economy will certainly sink us. Our great difficulty in the future will be meeting interest payments.We do need to reduce our costs though.Certainly room for increased tax

onemorechance · 13-09-2010 09:47AM

Thanks to all those who voted 'Yes' to Nice and Lisbon, otherwise Europe might not have been so quick to support our bank guarantees which prevented our country going the same way as Argentina!

ILA · 13-09-2010 09:54AM

gandalf wrote: »

Well if thats the case explain your opening statement?

I simply meant with their graft: taking planing bribes, giving away the natural resources at bargain prices to multi-nationals (possibly for bribes as well), creating tribunals to keep the legal profession fed, robbing the last penny of tax payers when sh*t hits fan, etc.

These activities generate income and stimulate the economy, the lazy way.

R P McMurphy · 13-09-2010 09:58AM

onemorechance we would not be allowed to go that way even if we wanted to default. Who exactly do you think would lose out most if we decided not to repay all this money that was lent recklessly. In other words who lent recklessly to our reckless banks and now want to be repayed at any cost. The banks cannot repay and therefore the tax payer is being forced to over the next number of decades. Who do you think lent the most to Anglo

SeanW · 13-09-2010 10:04AM

ILA wrote: »

Link: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/kenny-ill-need-10-years-to-fix-economy-2335225.html

So finally he admits that Fine Gael will be no different in power than the FF/Green screw ups. With FF's history of graft, they'd probably be able to turn the economic around in about five years.

We're in a big hole - made by FF cronies. There is no way around it - I think ANY prospective government would need a long time to turn it around. I don't think its an admission of ineptitude by Enda K. to say that he will need time to put it right (if indeed he said that) it's just the likely truth.

MrDarcy · 13-09-2010 10:08AM

You don't need to be in government to create jobs. Kenny is talking out of his arse again, that's the problem with this country, everyone wants to manage and nobody is prepared to do the grafting.

heyjude · 13-09-2010 10:26AM

onemorechance wrote: »

Thanks to all those who voted 'Yes' to Nice and Lisbon, otherwise Europe might not have been so quick to support our bank guarantees which prevented our country going the same way as Argentina!

I think you may be confusing two different entities, Nice and Lisbon related to the powers and operation of the European Union of which their are 27 member countries. The European Central Bank(ECB) on the other hand, is the organisation that has been supporting our bank guarantees and they are responsible for conducting monetary policy for the euro area(comprising 16 countries including Ireland). AFAIK Nice and Lisbon did not relate to the powers of the ECB especially since 11 EU members are not part of the Euro area(ie. they haven't adopted the Euro as their currency).

onemorechance · 13-09-2010 10:26AM

Murphy, the help was certainly quicker and quieter than the Greek bailout.

13-09-2010 10:32AM

10 Year of FG - I could live with that.

10 years of "Up Mayo" Kenny :eek:
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

onemorechance · 13-09-2010 10:34AM

heyjude, I just think that the 'Yes' vote lead to less resisitance to the swift bailout of the Irish banks, which I doubt would have been so easy for the Government to negotiate if we had voted 'No' (the 2nd time!). Despite the eurozone not including the entire European Union, it does include the countries which form the basis of the European economy.

Liam Byrne · 13-09-2010 10:38AM

ILA wrote: »

To clarify, I'm opposed to FF, FG, Greens and Labour. Its just another note to show that you're dealing with twiddle dumb and twiddle dee, there's no real difference between the two and they're claims to magically repair the economy are hollow.

Hang on there now.

FF are saying "we've turned the corner" so many times that I'm dizzy.
FG are saying it'll take 10 years to fix the mess.

Which one is "claiming to magically repair the economy", based on the facts ?

Which one is - as far as I can see - not spouting the over-optimistic bull in order to get / retain power, but actually telling the truth ?

whippet · 13-09-2010 10:41AM

once again Kenny comes out and say he can do it !!!! But has no idea how !!!

it's pathetic really. I would consider myself somewhat of a swing voter, I did vote FF the last time as I couldn't stomach the potential opposition and with Gilmore doing nothing apart from trying to find jokes in everything he says and a broken FG party with Kenny as the leader .. my best course of action might be to bury my head in the sand and hope the next 10 years go by quickly.

The reality is FG / Labour have no real strategy to get us out of this mess and I don't believe they have the ability to either. For Kenny to be talking about 10 years with no mention of what he will do in that decade is embarrassing.

Liam Byrne · 13-09-2010 10:46AM

ILA wrote: »

I simply meant with their graft: taking planing bribes, giving away the natural resources at bargain prices to multi-nationals (possibly for bribes as well), creating tribunals to keep the legal profession fed, robbing the last penny of tax payers when sh*t hits fan, etc.

These activities generate income and stimulate the economy, the lazy way.

The original post didn't seem to imply anything remotely like that.

I have, however, found the source of the confusion.

Graft ( Informal ) :Work (esp in the phrase hard graft)

Graft : Unscrupulous use of one's position to derive profit or advantages; extortion.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/graft

Most people would understand the meaning to be the first of those two.

Hence the confusion.

deise go deo · 13-09-2010 10:58AM

ILA wrote: »

I simply meant with their graft: taking planing bribes, giving away the natural resources at bargain prices to multi-nationals (possibly for bribes as well), creating tribunals to keep the legal profession fed, robbing the last penny of tax payers when sh*t hits fan, etc.

These activities generate income and stimulate the economy, the lazy way.

No these activities create a culture of poor standards and cronyism that leads to disaster as we have seen. We are in a hole and your solution is keep digging:rolleyes:

eoinbn · 13-09-2010 11:00AM

whippet wrote: »

once again Kenny comes out and say he can do it !!!! But has no idea how !!!

it's pathetic really. I would consider myself somewhat of a swing voter, I did vote FF the last time as I couldn't stomach the potential opposition and with Gilmore doing nothing apart from trying to find jokes in everything he says and a broken FG party with Kenny as the leader .. my best course of action might be to bury my head in the sand and hope the next 10 years go by quickly.

The reality is FG / Labour have no real strategy to get us out of this mess and I don't believe they have the ability to either. For Kenny to be talking about 10 years with no mention of what he will do in that decade is embarrassing.

You do know that Gilmore wasn't the leader of Labour in the last election?
At least a 10 year time scale is somewhat realistic but I doubt Kenny has the ability to pull it off.

deise go deo · 13-09-2010 11:02AM

91011 wrote: »

10 Year of FG - I could live with that.

10 years of "Up Mayo" Kenny :eek:
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Ya, because ''Up Dublin'' Ahern did such a great job.:rolleyes:

maynooth_rules · 13-09-2010 11:33AM

Fair dues to him for being honest. He could have bluffed his way out, as i am 100% sure FF would do if roles were reversed, and say that he will have the economy turned around in under a year. However rather than bull**** the electorate, he has told it as it is. Of course this mathod of truth wont appeal to the FF apologists. FF have brought this economy to edge of a cliff, the IMF is on its way to our front door. Our problems have been caused by FF and it will take years for a non FF government to clean this mess

maynooth_rules · 13-09-2010 11:35AM

deise go deo wrote: »

Ya, because ''Up Dublin'' Ahern did such a great job.:rolleyes:

We dont need any of that ****e. Who gives two ****s what county our leader is from. This tribal ****e should be put to bed now. Our TDs are elected to the national assembly, I wish the whole county debate would end at that

Liam Byrne · 13-09-2010 11:39AM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

We dont need any of that ****e.

We don't. And if I were posting in objection to people spouting that I would have quoted both "objectionable" posts, more specifically 91011's, since deise was only reacting to that.

MrDarcy · 13-09-2010 11:58AM

whippet wrote: »

once again Kenny comes out and say he can do it !!!! But has no idea how !!!

it's pathetic really. I would consider myself somewhat of a swing voter, I did vote FF the last time as I couldn't stomach the potential opposition and with Gilmore doing nothing apart from trying to find jokes in everything he says and a broken FG party with Kenny as the leader .. my best course of action might be to bury my head in the sand and hope the next 10 years go by quickly.

The reality is FG / Labour have no real strategy to get us out of this mess and I don't believe they have the ability to either. For Kenny to be talking about 10 years with no mention of what he will do in that decade is embarrassing.

+1, this is the same assh*ole who was running around the country during the last two general elections, promising to compensate anyone with a vote, from rip-off taxi drivers to deluded Eircom shareholders who honestly thought that investing in a state/union run monopoly was a good idea.

Then we had the "I'm offering you a contract", the guy looked absolutely rediculous running up and down the country with a lump of cardboard that looked as if it had been robbed from the Lotto headquarters...

In the meantime, while those stupid stunts were being pulled to garner votes from the downright stupid, we failed to have a proper dabate on what kind of an Ireland we want to live in.

Kenny: I'll need ten years to fix the economy

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