Burn a Qu'ran day

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2010 5:49pm #1

Edit: could be the cue for future false-flag attacks against the US, which could lead to a potential attack on Iran. A church with a congragation of fifty getting worldwide press attention.

Oranage2 · 09-09-2010 6:29pm

well i think this has gone main stream is because of a few reasons:

1) Jews control most of Americas media, and Israel is surrounded by Muslim enemies so it uses America to fight it's enemies. So by antagonising Muslim countries into violance it gives the USA a reason fight in the middle east.

2) The weapon and defence industry lobby the US goverment and donate millions of dollars so that the US goverment buys weapons and go to war. Not really a conspiricy since there has been many cases of the defence industry bribing top senate members.

3) People are fed up of walking on egg shells not to offend Islam incase of a terrorist backlash from the fundemetals.

So to conclude, I agree with you, i think its just an excuse to invade a country in the middle east and I think Iran also, and after Iran i think they'll invade Saudi Arabi causing a third world war.

Jeboa Safari · 09-09-2010 6:52pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

1) Jews control most of Americas media, and Israel is surrounded by Muslim enemies so it uses America to fight it's enemies. So by antagonising Muslim countries into violance it gives the USA a reason fight in the middle east.

Counter ct, Islamic elements of the media are using it to stoke hatred of the US and so help their cause in the Middle East, driving up recruitment :eek:

Do agree though, the amount of coverage he is getting is ridiculous, don't think it has anything to do with this great Jewish conspiracy though

nullzero · 09-09-2010 7:06pm

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

don't think it has anything to do with this great Jewish conspiracy though

Probably because there is no such thing.

Torakx · 09-09-2010 7:30pm

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Counter ct, Islamic elements of the media are using it to stoke hatred of the US and so help their cause in the Middle East, driving up recruitment :eek:

Do agree though, the amount of coverage he is getting is ridiculous, don't think it has anything to do with this great Jewish conspiracy though

I would agree only i think it might be their cause is actually the USA's cause or maybe Isreals.
Did u hear also 4 Al-Qaida prisoners escaped from a high security american facility in Iraq.Nobody yets knows exactly how these brilliant masterminds escaped lol
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAQ?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
I guess we can expect them to show up at some stage to further the hate towards Iran and Al-Qaida who puportedly were spotted in n/w(possibly north east i forget) Iran a few months ago.

Oranage2 · 09-09-2010 7:31pm

Here's a youtube video by a well known racist and white supremist who i dont follow but he makes interesting arguements about jews in the media make of it what you will

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmiAR5nvJE

( also im not anti-semitical or racist)

and I agree jeboa that the amount of media coverage is rediculous

but whether it is the jewish or islamic media i think people want to see how the Muslims will react to this sybol of free speech in America, the thing that makes America great.

Also you made a good point bout the recruitment because I never thought of internal terrorism amongst Muslims in the US will really cause havok.

But as for driving up recruitment in the middle east, i dont think the US are too worried, they could really blow any muslim country off the map if the really wanted to, except for Pakistan.

Torakx · 09-09-2010 7:41pm

Suspected US missile attacks rock NW Pakistan
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD9I3RPB80

The United States has fired hundreds of missiles into northwest Pakistan over the last 2 1/2 years. American officials do not publicly acknowledge such strikes, but have said privately that they have killed several senior Taliban and al-Qaida militants and scores of foot soldiers.
Critics say innocents are also killed, fueling support for the insurgency.

If Al-Qaida is an organisation created by the Americans then this would be a good way to instigate more counter terrorism in objection.Which in turn wil fuel more war to sell weapons.The russians are probably profiting from it also or at least it wouldnt suprise me.

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2010 7:53pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Also you made a good point bout the recruitment because I never thought of internal terrorism amongst Muslims in the US will really cause havok.

They don't need to do the recruiting, they have the Mossad to do that for them according to the Washington Post this week.

As tensions with Iran escalate, according to former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, “Israeli agents have become more aggressive in targeting Muslims living in the United States as well as in operating against critics.”

“There have been a number of cases reported to the FBI about Mossad officers who have approached leaders in Arab-American communities and have falsely represented themselves as ‘U.S. intelligence,’ ” Giraldi wrote recently in American Conservative magazine.

“Because few Muslims would assist an Israeli, this is done to increase the likelihood that the target will cooperate. It’s referred to as a ‘false flag’ operation.”

Giraldi’s piece continued, “Mossad officers sought to recruit Arab-Americans as sources willing to inform on their associates and neighbors. The approaches, which took place in New York and New Jersey, were reportedly handled clumsily, making the targets of the operation suspicious.”

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/israeli_spies_pitching_us_musl.html

If you remember a number of the 911 hijackers lived in New Jersey, as did a lot of the Israeli "art student spies".

This joker, formerly of revolutionmuslim - ANOTHER NOTHING ENTITY GIVEN NATIONAL MEDIA ATTENTION, also lived in New York.

In case you don't know his real name is Joseph Cohen and he is a former illegal Israeli settler.

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2010 8:00pm

Torakx wrote: »

Suspected US missile attacks rock NW Pakistan
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD9I3RPB80

If Al-Qaida is an organisation created by the Americans then this would be a good way to instigate more counter terrorism in objection.Which in turn wil fuel more war to sell weapons.The russians are probably profiting from it also or at least it wouldnt suprise me.

And then you have reports like this in the Arab press'

US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'

http://uruknet.info/?p=m69583&hd=&size=1&l=e

Muslims have a right to be outraged, and peacefully protest but it will be twisted to make them look like infidel-hating razor dodgers out to muder Americans.

Which in turn adds credibility to all their "muslims who train on monkey bars in the desert" want to kill you, you must sacrifice your freedom so we can protect you.

Benny Lava · 10-09-2010 1:47am

As of now, it is cancelled.

However, since the terms the pastor guy claimed had been agreed upon have been disputed by the Muslim official involved in the Mosque-building near Ground Zero, it may be announced as being back on!

chucken1 · 10-09-2010 2:10am

Im Irish.Therefore as it was,brought into the catholic religion and TOLD there was no other. Since then Ive grown up..Islam is NOT a religion of hate or killing. NORMAL Muslims do not go on about their religion. They are the nicest people Ive ever met. There is NO question in their minds,that LUNATICS in the name of Allah.(ala catholic church..ring any bells??)carried out those bombings.AND NORMAL decent Muslims are frightened the same as the rest of us.The Koran does NOT condone killing.

meglome · 10-09-2010 2:14am

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Edit: could be the cue for future false-flag attacks against the US, which could lead to a potential attack on Iran. A church with a congragation of fifty getting worldwide press attention.

Or some right wing pastor in the US thinks he's using his free speech to make a useful point. Now I think his plan is a terrible idea but there you go.

Oranage2 wrote: »

well i think this has gone main stream is because of a few reasons:

1) Jews control most of Americas media, and Israel is surrounded by Muslim enemies so it uses America to fight it's enemies. So by antagonising Muslim countries into violance it gives the USA a reason fight in the middle east.

One the biggest media groups in the US and one of the most right wing is Fox. Fox is owned by a Christian Aussie. Are Jewish owned media outlets calling for a war on Iran? Otherwise why bring up any reference to Jews?

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Counter ct, Islamic elements of the media are using it to stoke hatred of the US and so help their cause in the Middle East, driving up recruitment :eek:

Do agree though, the amount of coverage he is getting is ridiculous, don't think it has anything to do with this great Jewish conspiracy though

It makes for a good press, whether we agree with it not. Though good is probably the wrong word.

nullzero wrote: »

Probably because there is no such thing.

No there is no such thing as the great Jewish conspiracy. Yet the internet is full of sites that say otherwise.

Anyway the whole thing has been called off.

pablo_escobar · 10-09-2010 6:43pm

as long as obama is in charge, there will be no attack on iran.
clearly, the us have capacity to attack iran but it's childish to think "oh, israel or us will just bomb the iranian power stations and that will be it" -- it's a little more complicated than this. iran will get their nuclear energy, that's certain.

Wudyaquit · 10-09-2010 7:01pm

pablo_escobar wrote: »

as long as obama is in charge, there will be no attack on iran.
clearly, the us have capacity to attack iran but it's childish to think "oh, israel or us will just bomb the iranian power stations and that will be it" -- it's a little more complicated than this. iran will get their nuclear energy, that's certain.

Interesting article here that suggests Obama could launch a strike on Iran, most likely in the guise of protecting Israel. Sounds similar to the arrangement with Britain/France prior to Suez.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20584

What we are dealing with is a joint US-NATO-Israel military operation to bomb Iran, which has been in the active planning stage since 2004. Officials in the Defense Department, under Bush and Obama, have been working assiduously with their Israeli military and intelligence counterparts, carefully identifying targets inside Iran. In practical military terms, any action by Israel would have to be planned and coordinated at the highest levels of the US led coalition.

Continuity in relation to the Bush-Cheney era: President Obama has largely endorsed the doctrine of pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons formulated by the previous administration. Under the 2010 Nuclear Posture Review, the Obama administration confirmed "that it is reserving the right to use nuclear weapons against Iran" for its non-compliance with US demands regarding its alleged (nonexistent) nuclear weapons program. (U.S. Nuclear Option on Iran Linked to Israeli Attack Threat - IPS ipsnews.net, April 23, 2010). The Obama administration has also intimated that it would use nukes in the case of an Iranian response to an Israeli attack on Iran. (Ibid). Israel has also drawn up its own "secret plans" to bomb Iran with tactical nuclear weapons:

"Israeli military commanders believe conventional strikes may no longer be enough to annihilate increasingly well-defended enrichment facilities. Several have been built beneath at least 70ft of concrete and rock. However, the nuclear-tipped bunker-busters would be used only if a conventional attack was ruled out and if the United States declined to intervene, senior sources said."(Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran - Times Online, January 7, 2007)

Obama's statements on the use of nuclear weapons against Iran and North Korea are consistent with post 9/11 US nuclear weapons doctrine, which allows for the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the conventional war theater.

Sparticle · 10-09-2010 7:09pm

chucken1 wrote: »

The Koran does NOT condone killing.

I'm against the burning of the koran and all books for that matter but sadly the Koran like the Bible does condone killing if you want it to condone killing. Ultimately it's up to the cultural morals in the society to veto these passages as has happened in most countries.

pablo_escobar · 10-09-2010 7:36pm

The pastor was up to his balls in debt and this threat of burning the Koran was nothing more than a publicity stunt to get neo-cons donating money to his "cause"

Follow the money...

And were the US or Israel to attack Iran, the whole region would be completely destabalized.
Iraq and Afghanistan would descend into anarchy and the US would be on their own fighting...how long do you think it would last?

America do not have unlimitless power like some people believe.

The US economy is already heading for depression, how on earth would attacking Iran benefit the US?

Gas prices would sky rocket, not to mention everything dependent upon petroleum.EU would become more dependent upon Russia for energy requirements.

Attacking Iran makes absolutely no sense for the US right now and in my opinion, it won't happen.

demonspawn · 10-09-2010 7:46pm

pablo_escobar wrote: »

The pastor was up to his balls in debt and this threat of burning the Koran was nothing more than a publicity stunt to get neo-cons donating money to his "cause"

Follow the money...

No. He is trying to start a holy war just like the Bush dynasty. End timers in the U.S. send millions every year to Israel to help them arm up for this upcoming war.

And were the US or Israel to attack Iran, the whole region would be completely destabalized.
Iraq and Afghanistan would descend into anarchy and the US would be on their own fighting...how long do you think it would last?

America do not have unlimitless power like some people believe.

The US economy is already heading for depression, how on earth would attacking Iran benefit the US?

Gas prices would sky rocket, not to mention everything dependent upon petroleum.EU would become more dependent upon Russia for energy requirements.

Attacking Iran makes absolutely no sense for the US right now and in my opinion, it won't happen.

In 2006, Iran began selling it's oil for euros instead of U.S. dollars. In 2000, Saddam Hussein did the exact same thing. Be ready for another 9/11 style attack in the very near future. I think with this whole nuclear weapon thing we are seeing in the news it will be a nuclear attack which will trigger a nuclear holocaust.

gizmo · 10-09-2010 8:07pm

demonspawn wrote: »

No. He is trying to start a holy war just like the Bush dynasty. End timers in the U.S. send millions every year to Israel to help them arm up for this upcoming war.

Nah, Señor Escobar is correct. This dude is all kinds of ****ed up, he forces the members of his church to break off contact with their family members, move onto the church grounds and work for free repairing and selling furniture in order to fund the Church. He's also a well known Islamophobe having been kicked out of his previous Church and instigated the "Islam is the devil" t-shirt thing awhile back.

demonspawn · 10-09-2010 8:10pm

gizmo wrote: »

Nah, Señor Escobar is correct. This dude is all kinds of ****ed up, he forces the members of his church to break off contact with their family members, move onto the church grounds and work for free repairing and selling furniture in order to fund the Church. He's also a well known Islamophobe having been kicked out of his previous Church and instigated the "Islam is the devil" t-shirt thing awhile back.

End timers are all kinds of fuked up too. Didn't you read the link I posted? They are deliberately trying to bring about Judgment Day by supporting Israel's genocide of the Palestinians.

Pauleta · 10-09-2010 8:14pm

It could be a European conspiracy to turn the Islamic/Oil world against the U.S and start using the Petro-euro instead of the petro-dollar.

gizmo · 10-09-2010 8:42pm

demonspawn wrote: »

End timers are all kinds of fuked up too. Didn't you read the link I posted? They are deliberately trying to bring about Judgment Day by supporting Israel's genocide of the Palestinians.

I have no doubt End Timers are ****ed up. This dude is not an end timer though, he's an amoral religious con-man.

Also, that situation in the Middle East will never result in Judgment Day. There have been numerous conflicts directly involving Israel since it's foundation and in each case they kicked the **** out of the coalition of Arab states who opposed them. If it was to happen again then the outcome would be the same and the rest of us would get on with the rest of our lives, albeit with a higher cost of oil for awhile.

demonspawn · 10-09-2010 9:23pm

gizmo wrote: »

I have no doubt End Timers are ****ed up. This dude is not an end timer though, he's an amoral religious con-man.

Also, that situation in the Middle East will never result in Judgment Day. There have been numerous conflicts directly involving Israel since it's foundation and in each case they kicked the **** out of the coalition of Arab states who opposed them. If it was to happen again then the outcome would be the same and the rest of us would get on with the rest of our lives, albeit with a higher cost of oil for awhile.

Well, if the aliens don't come down and vaporize the people like Bush and his supporters (Judgment Day) then I'll admit I was wrong. Or if there is a nuclear war about to happen and they don't come down and intervene then I'll admit I was wrong. As it stands 2012 is just 16 months away and I think we'll see a lot of change that year. Not saying that all this will happen in 2012 but it will happen.

uprising2 · 10-09-2010 11:18pm

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Which in turn adds credibility to all their "muslims who train on monkey bars in the desert" want to kill you, you must sacrifice your freedom so we can protect you.

Came across this disturbing scene yesterday afternoon in Istanbul, I was quite shocked really!!

And if that wasn't bad enough, she then encouraged her daughter to join the "fun" of the ending of Ramadan.

The shocking part was they both burst a baloon floating on the banks of the Bosphorus with the air rifle.

gizmo · 10-09-2010 11:18pm

Oh, turns out he's mates with the Westboro Church nutjobs too.

Sanity minus one.

Flaregon · 11-09-2010 1:24am

We need one of theses to hook up a few people, ROFL

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Mind-Reading-Machine-Translates-Brain-Signals-Into-Words-Scientists-At-Utah-University-Discover/Article/201009215720465?lpos=Technology_News_Your_Way_Region_6&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15720465_Mind-Reading_Machine_Translates_Brain_Signals_Into_Words%2C_Scientists_At_Utah_University_Discover

Also buring the Qu'ran is awful, It looks cooler then a bible and its got everything left in it unlike the bible.

demonspawn · 11-09-2010 2:08am

uprising2 wrote: »

Came across this disturbing scene yesterday afternoon in Istanbul, I was quite shocked really!!

And if that wasn't bad enough, she then encouraged her daughter to join the "fun" of the ending of Ramadan.

The shocking part was they both burst a baloon floating on the banks of the Bosphorus with the air rifle.

Oh crap!! Them Muslims are gonna invade the west with 50 year-old pellet guns!!

Torakx · 11-09-2010 2:23am

uprising2 wrote: »

Came across this disturbing scene yesterday afternoon in Istanbul, I was quite shocked really!!

And if that wasn't bad enough, she then encouraged her daughter to join the "fun" of the ending of Ramadan.

The shocking part was they both burst a baloon floating on the banks of the Bosphorus with the air rifle.

Reminds me of some American groups/parents from a documentary Louis Theroux maybe, teaching their kids to shoot guns at really young ages.
Not sure its bad depending on what the target and weapon is associated with i guess.
Is it practise or a bit of fun for the family shooting targets.

Benny Lava · 11-09-2010 2:26am

gizmo wrote: »

Oh, turns out he's mates with the Westboro Church nutjobs too.

Sanity minus one.

I hate WBC with such a passion.

Hopefully the Qu'ran they burn will be rigged with napalm.

gizmo · 11-09-2010 2:48am

Benny Lava wrote: »

I hate WBC with such a passion.

Hopefully the Qu'ran they burn will be rigged with napalm.

If you haven't already, check out Fall From Grace, it's a pretty good documentary on them.

As for the napalm, nah they'd just sue the person who laced it with it, the company who printed the book, the company who sold the book and the company who manufactured the napalm.

pablo_escobar · 11-09-2010 2:56am

For those of you with a cognitive and resourceful brain, I recommend you watch the following video and listen carefully to what is said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xat-C4SpBl4

Now I understand concerns from all people, but consider watching this short interview and make a judgement afterwards.

I'm convinced (not blindly) that any attack upon Iran would be catastrophic for the global economy.

I'll quote Brzezinski "Why should we act like crazies?"

Indeed, haven't "we" acted crazy enough already?

greenmachine88 · 11-09-2010 3:00am

I love this Jews are to blame for everything mentality

pablo_escobar · 11-09-2010 3:10am

well, i did say the video was intended for cognitive brains.

old_aussie · 11-09-2010 3:36am

German View of Islam
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A German's View on Islam
A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

I (old_aussie) say "let the burning begin"!

gizmo · 11-09-2010 3:39am

pablo_escobar wrote: »

For those of you with a cognitive and resourceful brain, I recommend you watch the following video and listen carefully to what is said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xat-C4SpBl4

Now I understand concerns from all people, but consider watching this short interview and make a judgement afterwards.

I'm convinced (not blindly) that any attack upon Iran would be catastrophic for the global economy.

I'll quote Brzezinski "Why should we act like crazies?"

Indeed, haven't "we" acted crazy enough already?

Excellent video, thanks for that pablo_escobar. It's refreshing to hear such forthrightness from someone in his position.

old_aussie wrote: »

I (old_aussie) say "let the burning begin"!

The problem with that is by burning the book you target all people of the Islamic faith, not just the radicals. That would be like, to use the letter you used as an example, killing the entire Japanese in order to stop their actions during WWII.

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2010 10:23am

Reminiscent of the "German View" of Judaism in the 30s and 40s wouldnt you say?

Sad that the hated becomes the hater IMO:

old_aussie wrote: »

German View of Islam Jewish-Canadian racists view of Islam

This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanya, Firstly it is Dr Tanay, but that mistake seems to be parroted amongst the extremist anti-Islamic blogs, so I assume that this is where you got it from. Secondly it was written by a Jewish-Candadian called Paul E. Marek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Marek

a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.
An altogether unknown blogger. !

old_aussie wrote: »

I (old_aussie) say "let the burning begin"!

And then do we go on a lynching of blacks?

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2010 10:30am

meglome wrote: »

One the biggest media groups in the US and one of the most right wing is Fox. Fox is owned by a Christian Aussie. Are Jewish owned media outlets calling for a war on Iran? Otherwise why bring up any reference to Jews?

You've just pointed out the actual difference between a Jewish conspiracy and a Zionist conspiracy. Now that you are aware, remember this the next time you accuse me or anyone else of "making 'Joo' threads" when the threads are about Zionism. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics.

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2010 10:38am

gizmo wrote: »

Also, that situation in the Middle East will never result in Judgment Day. There have been numerous conflicts directly involving Israel since it's foundation and in each case they kicked the **** out of the coalition of Arab states who opposed them. If it was to happen again then the outcome would be the same and the rest of us would get on with the rest of our lives, albeit with a higher cost of oil for awhile.

Your first point is very short-sighted. Israel only survives as the criminal state that it operates as solely because of US support. If Israel continues to act like Nazi Germany, war mongering, ethnically cleansing, killing peace activists, killing children ,building settlements, imprisoning a whole people etc eventually, despite the Lobby, the media, education systems, think-tanks, crooked politicians best efforts - eventually US popular opinion will turn against Israel.

Then we are left with Plan B: the Samson option.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_option

Your second point is typical of the self-indulgent, heartless and soulless comment that really makes me sick. Innocents routinely murdered and your only concern is the price of oil.

Jeboa Safari · 11-09-2010 10:41am

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your first point is very short-sighted. Israel only survives as the criminal state that it operates as solely because of US support. If Israel continues to act like Nazi Germany, war mongering, ethnically cleansing, killing peace activists, killing children ,building settlements, imprisoning a whole people etc eventually, despite the Lobby, the media, education systems, think-tanks, crooked politicians best efforts - eventually US popular opinion will turn against Israel.

Then we are left with Plan B: the Samson option.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_option

Who realisitcally has the power to destroy Israel, other than the superpowers, who currently have no motive to destroy them?

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2010 10:46am

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Who realisitcally has the power to destroy Israel, other than the superpowers, who currently have no motive to destroy them?

Unarmed peace activists?

Look at the might of the Israeli army. Sent to murder unarmed civilians, and he ends up crying.

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Brown Bomber · 11-09-2010 10:51am

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Who realisitcally has the power to destroy Israel, other than the superpowers, who currently have no motive to destroy them?

Nobody has real motive or the right destroy anyone. Israel is a rogue state who commits flagrant abuses of International and humanitarian law and many war crimes against civilians. Israel has illegaly nuclear weaponised themselves, even illicitly tried to sell some to their fellow racists in apartheid South Africa.

If there is anyone who needs to be brought into line, especially in terms of foriegn policy it is Israel. Why is there no motive? Because they are white?

Jeboa Safari · 11-09-2010 11:01am

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Nobody has real motive or the right destroy anyone. Israel is a rogue state who commits flagrant abuses of International and humanitarian law and many war crimes against civilians. Israel has illegaly nuclear weaponised themselves, even illicitly tried to sell some to their fellow racists in apartheid South Africa.

If there is anyone who needs to be brought into line, especially in terms of foriegn policy it is Israel. Why is there no motive? Because they are white?

Dunno what being white has to do with, nothing about race I dont think

Israel is one of Americas most reliable allies for a start, that might help explain it.

fontanalis · 11-09-2010 11:05am

old_aussie wrote: »

German View of Islam
This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A German's View on Islam
A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

I (old_aussie) say "let the burning begin"!

That's a copy and paste from an email that got circulated after the fuss over the islamic centre in down town manhattan isn't it?
Paranoia is patriotic! Orwell would love this stuff.

joebucks · 11-09-2010 12:04pm

pablo_escobar wrote: »

For those of you with a cognitive and resourceful brain, I recommend you watch the following video and listen carefully to what is said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xat-C4SpBl4

Now I understand concerns from all people, but consider watching this short interview and make a judgement afterwards.

I'm convinced (not blindly) that any attack upon Iran would be catastrophic for the global economy.

I'll quote Brzezinski "Why should we act like crazies?"

Indeed, haven't "we" acted crazy enough already?

Interesting how at 1.39 Z-big refers to Iraq as "our airspace"

Also interesting that when Sadam invaded Iran, the US gave him weapons but when Sadam invaded Kuwait the US started the Gulf War.

gizmo · 11-09-2010 12:31pm

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your first point is very short-sighted. Israel only survives as the criminal state that it operates as solely because of US support. If Israel continues to act like Nazi Germany, war mongering, ethnically cleansing, killing peace activists, killing children ,building settlements, imprisoning a whole people etc eventually, despite the Lobby, the media, education systems, think-tanks, crooked politicians best efforts - eventually US popular opinion will turn against Israel.

My first point relates to the fact that a large conflict in the Middle East will never result in Judgement Day. For that to happen Israel or Iran would need to begin open war, the US would have to join in along with her allies on the Israeli side and then China and/or Russia would enter taking, what I assume to be, Iran's side. While it's clearly a simplified view of things, it would still represent the most insane foreign policy actions of multiple international countries ever and it is, in my opinion at least, something which will never happen.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your second point is typical of the self-indulgent, heartless and soulless comment that really makes me sick. Innocents routinely murdered and your only concern is the price of oil.

While it is true it's a horrible to say, I'm quite positive that is how most of the rest of the world would view the event. Sure there'd be newspaper headlines and anti-war protests but I highly doubt there'd be any military intervention from outside countries. I'll happily agree with you that the actions of Israel are often in flagrant abuse of UN guidelines and international law but given the reaction to these events by the international community thus far, it's hard to see them doing anything in the event of an outbreak in open war.

joebucks wrote: »

Interesting how at 1.39 Z-big refers to Iraq as "our airspace"

Well it is the airspace they currently maintain control so it makes sense to refer to it as that. Possibly a poor choice of words but at least it would be made proper use of if Israel were to initiate a first strike.

Torakx · 11-09-2010 1:09pm

fontanalis wrote: »

That's a copy and paste from an email that got circulated after the fuss over the islamic centre in down town manhattan isn't it?
Paranoia is patriotic! Orwell would love this stuff.

Funny i was actually thinking about the Americans while reading that email that was copy pasted.
When will those fanatics be stopped.

demonspawn · 11-09-2010 1:48pm

old_aussie wrote: »

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

I (old_aussie) say "let the burning begin"!

Shame nobody stood up and said something when the Nazis started burning books. :rolleyes:

fontanalis · 11-09-2010 2:53pm

Torakx wrote: »

Funny i was actually thinking about the Americans while reading that email that was copy pasted.
When will those fanatics be stopped.

It's also pathetic as the reason peace loving Germans and peace loving Rwandans turned on innocent people and slaughtered them is because they were convinced the people who died were out to get them and were the cause of their misfortune, the same sentiment being expressed about muslims in the email.

Burn a Qu'ran day

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