Plan to Burn Korans will put lives in danger

Overheal · 07-09-2010 04:39AM #1

A Church's plan to burn a pile of Islamic Korans on September 11th in oppossition (iirc) to the Ground Zero "Mosque" has met again with criticism; This time from General David Petraeus.

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan. It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community," Petrayus told to FOX News, the preferred news station of Christian-Right Fire+Brimstone Evangelists.

Protesters flocked to the streets of Kabul, Afghanistan on monday ahead of the burning, planned by the World Dove Outreach Center in Florida. ♪ Ironyyy ♪

The Pastor in charge of the Center supported the burning on the Center's blog:

"We are using this act to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as God loves, all the people in the world and we want them to come to a knowledge of the truth,"

Despite being denied a permit to hold the permit they plan to proceed on Saturday.

This is going to get people killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/06/petraeus-warns-churchs-koran-burning/

2 Weeks ago, a partner Armed Christian Militia Group, Right Wing Extreme, withdrew it's own plans to hold a parallel burning ceremony after widespread international objection. At the time, they urged Dove Outreach to follow suit, but they appear to have refused to do so.

Im not particularly happy that say, South Park can't air a depiction of the Prophet Mohammad, but it's something I'd think twice about if it meant someone was going to get killed. And it when it's done purely to incense people: why do it?

Mr. Jones, head of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., said in a statement that "We understand the General's concerns. We are sure that his concerns are legitimate." Nonetheless, he added, "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam. We will no longer be controlled and dominated by their fears and threats."
Mr. Jones has been denied a permit for the demonstration, but has said he plans to go forward with the protest.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703713504575475500753093116.html

jank · 07-09-2010 08:16AM

"Dove world Outreach Centre"...What kinda name is that?

princeofparma · 07-09-2010 12:41PM

Insane.
If they don't want to be dominated by fear and threats maybe they shouldn't burn a big pile of Korans then?

kev9100 · 07-09-2010 04:18PM

How anyone can support burning a Koran is beyond me.

johndoe99 · 07-09-2010 04:48PM

they might as well just send out invites for another attack. there are also Muslims that live happily around the world, they even condemned the original attack and violence. What message does this send to them.

bigbadbear · 07-09-2010 04:51PM

holy mother of fúckin god. Are they off their bleedin rockers????:eek::eek::eek::eek:

"I have an idea. Lets give the worst insult you could possibly think of to the whole middle east even though some are on our side" .........not for long the thick cúnts

Memnoch · 07-09-2010 05:39PM

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

It's funny how all these nutjobs start to look alike after a while. Why can't we just give them their own country?

Nutjobisthan. They can burn each other's flags, holy books or whatever.

billy the squid · 07-09-2010 07:14PM

Memnoch wrote: »

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

It's funny how all these nutjobs start to look alike after a while. Why can't we just give them their own country?

Nutjobisthan. They can burn each other's flags, holy books or whatever.

why should it end in "istan" can't it be united states of stupid.

Memnoch · 07-09-2010 07:27PM

billy the squid wrote: »

why should it end in "istan" can't it be united states of stupid.

sure, why not.

Denerick · 07-09-2010 08:32PM

This is amazing. But you have to remember there are loads of tiny groups of nutjobs running about the American body politic like this. If they were in Europe they would have been pyschiatrically evaluated long ago and detained for their own protection in a secure unit.

I'd be amazed if more than a dozen people turn up to this 'book burning'. Certainly New York Jews won't want anything to do with, shades of Hitler and all that. Remember, this is the country that gave birth to godhatesfags.com and conservapedia.com.

There is no accounting for this kind of wingnuterry.

07-09-2010 08:54PM

Who will they vote for in 2012? Sarah Palin?

Memnoch · 07-09-2010 09:58PM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Who will they vote for in 2012? Sarah Palin?

Not her fault. It's not like she panders to said demographic or anything.

Killer Wench · 08-09-2010 01:54AM

Memnoch wrote: »

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

You may not be expecting an answer but the difference for me is that burning the American flag is a statement against a government and its policies; burning the Koran is a statement against the religion and this insults American Muslims and non-American Muslims who hold no malice against the US. One thing that I have learned as a participant on this board is that there are many folks who dislike the policies of theUS government; there seems to be a distinction between the government and the people of the country.

Revolution9 · 08-09-2010 02:09AM

Memnoch wrote: »

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

It's funny how all these nutjobs start to look alike after a while. Why can't we just give them their own country?

Nutjobisthan. They can burn each other's flags, holy books or whatever.

That's two close to Nojobisthan, the new country for the unemployed.

You don't want them to think your taking the piss outta their country. The potential feud between Nojobisthan and the proposed nation of Nutjobisthan would dwarf the current flag/koran burning between the USA and the Muslims.

demonspawn · 08-09-2010 02:09AM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Who will they vote for in 2012? Sarah Palin?

If she attends the inauguration in a bikini.....yes.

Muslims will see this for what it is, idiots with lighters. If they were gonna take offense to something, I imagine it would be the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the murder of several thousand people. There's not much more an American can do to get their backs up.

08-09-2010 07:21AM

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

20Cent · 08-09-2010 09:55AM

Crazy behavior.
Has Palin come out and said anything about it?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 08-09-2010 11:22AM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

probably for the same reasons that led to 3 seperate threads on an obscure irish internet forum to discuss the issue.

demonspawn · 08-09-2010 05:01PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

probably for the same reasons that led to 3 seperate threads on an obscure irish internet forum to discuss the issue.

There's more than three. I think every section in Spirituality & Religion has a thread on it. One in AH, a couple here...yeah, I think it's being blown way out of proportion to be honest.

Please just ignore the loony and move along. Nothing to see here.

buzzdroid · 08-09-2010 07:14PM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

and THAT is exactly the right question to be asking.

sure as hell beats me - i can't explain it. his church has only got FIFTY members for gods sake. its unbelievably tiny.

why are the media hyping this up so much? shouldn't the question about anatagonising Muslims be directed not at the pastor - but at the media that are hyping this like crazy?

steelcityblues · 08-09-2010 08:21PM

Because the media organisations are run by probably even bigger sociopaths than Pastor Jones, who want to prolong the divide and conquer mentality. They still fool most people!

Manic Moran · 08-09-2010 08:29PM

If she attends the inauguration in a bikini.....yes.

In January in Washington? Would be a tad nipply.

NTM

coonecb1 · 08-09-2010 10:28PM

This whole episode really highlights the deep contradictions of the right wing.

The ones who will be supporting this book burning are the same ones who claim to love and honour their troops. If they cared about the troops they would oppose this, and to be fair some of them have.

It's really weird looking at the comments to the Fox news story, I mean, it's got a diversity of opinion so rare I'm surprised the site hasn't crashed!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/06/petraeus-warns-churchs-koran-burning/#commenting

coonecb1 · 08-09-2010 10:30PM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

That's a fair point and also applies to the mosque.

However, now that it's in the spotlight it's very difficult to ignore

wes · 08-09-2010 10:57PM

Best to ignore crazy people imho. I think the media gives them way to much attention as it is.

Manic Moran · 09-09-2010 05:58AM

You may not be expecting an answer but the difference for me is that burning the American flag is a statement against a government and its policies; burning the Koran is a statement against the religion and this insults American Muslims and non-American Muslims who hold no malice against the US

The analogy is a fair one. If you burn the US flag which represents a nation, you equally insult members of the nation who may not have anything against you but who take their flag seriously. You may be protesting a specific portion of the American populace, but then the WDOC (or whatever) are protesting a specific portion of the muslim populace. After all, what object would be more specific to burn than a flag or a Koran to better represent your intended target? I don't believe there is one, short of effigies of specific persons, which might be too specific.

I can't say I'm much of a fan of these ritual burnings of either flags or books, they certainly aren't productive, but there is a certain element of goose/gander here.

NTM

Permabear · 09-09-2010 06:41AM

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Lockstep · 09-09-2010 08:24AM

Meh.

I'd view it as somewhat akin to flag-burning.
Sure you have the right to do it, but if you do so, you're being needlessly provocative and I personally think you are a tool.

Valmont · 09-09-2010 12:40PM

The world has kicked up a fuss because this man wants to burn some copies of the Koran yet all the news reports I've seen have mentioned nothing negative about some muslims burning effigies of the pastor draped in an American flag.

I hope the burning goes ahead, I'm tired of the media tip-toeing around any criticism of Islam for fear of retribution. A sentiment perfectly expressed in a recent episode of Southpark where Mohammed made an appearance talking only from the back of a U-Haul truck so as not to offend any muslims.

Denerick · 09-09-2010 01:33PM

Valmont wrote: »

The world has kicked up a fuss because this man wants to burn some copies of the Koran yet all the news reports I've seen have mentioned nothing negative about some muslims burning effigies of the pastor draped in an American flag.

I hope the burning goes ahead, I'm tired of the media tip-toeing around any criticism of Islam for fear of retribution. A sentiment perfectly expressed in a recent episode of Southpark where Mohammed made an appearance talking only from the back of a U-Haul truck so as not to offend any muslims.

No-one is debating that he has an inherent right to burn a Koran, if he wishes. However most people think it is both disrespectful and insane to do so. Here are the facts:

1) This will result in dead American soldiers
2) Hitler did something similar.

So dead soldiers and Hitler... Not the best idea to have have ever come out of Florida.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 09-09-2010 01:36PM

hitler also walked on two legs and was born in austria, california just about elected him as governer too.

Plan to Burn Korans will put lives in danger

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