Plan to Burn Korans will put lives in danger

Overheal

A Church's plan to burn a pile of Islamic Korans on September 11th in oppossition (iirc) to the Ground Zero "Mosque" has met again with criticism; This time from General David Petraeus.

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan. It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community," Petrayus told to FOX News, the preferred news station of Christian-Right Fire+Brimstone Evangelists.

Protesters flocked to the streets of Kabul, Afghanistan on monday ahead of the burning, planned by the World Dove Outreach Center in Florida. ♪ Ironyyy ♪

The Pastor in charge of the Center supported the burning on the Center's blog:

"We are using this act to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as God loves, all the people in the world and we want them to come to a knowledge of the truth,"

Despite being denied a permit to hold the permit they plan to proceed on Saturday.

This is going to get people killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/06/petraeus-warns-churchs-koran-burning/

2 Weeks ago, a partner Armed Christian Militia Group, Right Wing Extreme, withdrew it's own plans to hold a parallel burning ceremony after widespread international objection. At the time, they urged Dove Outreach to follow suit, but they appear to have refused to do so.

Im not particularly happy that say, South Park can't air a depiction of the Prophet Mohammad, but it's something I'd think twice about if it meant someone was going to get killed. And it when it's done purely to incense people: why do it?

Mr. Jones, head of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., said in a statement that "We understand the General's concerns. We are sure that his concerns are legitimate." Nonetheless, he added, "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam. We will no longer be controlled and dominated by their fears and threats."
Mr. Jones has been denied a permit for the demonstration, but has said he plans to go forward with the protest.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703713504575475500753093116.html

jank

"Dove world Outreach Centre"...What kinda name is that?

princeofparma

Insane.
If they don't want to be dominated by fear and threats maybe they shouldn't burn a big pile of Korans then?

kev9100

How anyone can support burning a Koran is beyond me.

johndoe99

they might as well just send out invites for another attack. there are also Muslims that live happily around the world, they even condemned the original attack and violence. What message does this send to them.

bigbadbear

holy mother of fúckin god. Are they off their bleedin rockers????:eek::eek::eek::eek:

"I have an idea. Lets give the worst insult you could possibly think of to the whole middle east even though some are on our side" .........not for long the thick cúnts

Memnoch

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

It's funny how all these nutjobs start to look alike after a while. Why can't we just give them their own country?

Nutjobisthan. They can burn each other's flags, holy books or whatever.

billy the squid

Memnoch wrote: »

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

It's funny how all these nutjobs start to look alike after a while. Why can't we just give them their own country?

Nutjobisthan. They can burn each other's flags, holy books or whatever.

why should it end in "istan" can't it be united states of stupid.

Memnoch

billy the squid wrote: »

why should it end in "istan" can't it be united states of stupid.

sure, why not.

Denerick

This is amazing. But you have to remember there are loads of tiny groups of nutjobs running about the American body politic like this. If they were in Europe they would have been pyschiatrically evaluated long ago and detained for their own protection in a secure unit.

I'd be amazed if more than a dozen people turn up to this 'book burning'. Certainly New York Jews won't want anything to do with, shades of Hitler and all that. Remember, this is the country that gave birth to godhatesfags.com and conservapedia.com.

There is no accounting for this kind of wingnuterry.

Black Swan

Who will they vote for in 2012? Sarah Palin?

Memnoch

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Who will they vote for in 2012? Sarah Palin?

Not her fault. It's not like she panders to said demographic or anything.

Killer Wench

Memnoch wrote: »

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

You may not be expecting an answer but the difference for me is that burning the American flag is a statement against a government and its policies; burning the Koran is a statement against the religion and this insults American Muslims and non-American Muslims who hold no malice against the US. One thing that I have learned as a participant on this board is that there are many folks who dislike the policies of theUS government; there seems to be a distinction between the government and the people of the country.

Revolution9

Memnoch wrote: »

So what's the difference between these idiots and the idiots who burn American flags in the middle east?

It's funny how all these nutjobs start to look alike after a while. Why can't we just give them their own country?

Nutjobisthan. They can burn each other's flags, holy books or whatever.

That's two close to Nojobisthan, the new country for the unemployed.

You don't want them to think your taking the piss outta their country. The potential feud between Nojobisthan and the proposed nation of Nutjobisthan would dwarf the current flag/koran burning between the USA and the Muslims.

demonspawn

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Who will they vote for in 2012? Sarah Palin?

If she attends the inauguration in a bikini.....yes.

Muslims will see this for what it is, idiots with lighters. If they were gonna take offense to something, I imagine it would be the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the murder of several thousand people. There's not much more an American can do to get their backs up.

Black Swan

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

20Cent

Crazy behavior.
Has Palin come out and said anything about it?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

probably for the same reasons that led to 3 seperate threads on an obscure irish internet forum to discuss the issue.

demonspawn

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

probably for the same reasons that led to 3 seperate threads on an obscure irish internet forum to discuss the issue.

There's more than three. I think every section in Spirituality & Religion has a thread on it. One in AH, a couple here...yeah, I think it's being blown way out of proportion to be honest.

Please just ignore the loony and move along. Nothing to see here.

buzzdroid

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

and THAT is exactly the right question to be asking.

sure as hell beats me - i can't explain it. his church has only got FIFTY members for gods sake. its unbelievably tiny.

why are the media hyping this up so much? shouldn't the question about anatagonising Muslims be directed not at the pastor - but at the media that are hyping this like crazy?

steelcityblues

Because the media organisations are run by probably even bigger sociopaths than Pastor Jones, who want to prolong the divide and conquer mentality. They still fool most people!

Manic Moran

If she attends the inauguration in a bikini.....yes.

In January in Washington? Would be a tad nipply.

NTM

coonecb1

This whole episode really highlights the deep contradictions of the right wing.

The ones who will be supporting this book burning are the same ones who claim to love and honour their troops. If they cared about the troops they would oppose this, and to be fair some of them have.

It's really weird looking at the comments to the Fox news story, I mean, it's got a diversity of opinion so rare I'm surprised the site hasn't crashed!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/06/petraeus-warns-churchs-koran-burning/#commenting

coonecb1

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The real question raised by this incident is why are the nation's media networks making this isolated nutcase into an infamous celebrity?

That's a fair point and also applies to the mosque.

However, now that it's in the spotlight it's very difficult to ignore

wes

Best to ignore crazy people imho. I think the media gives them way to much attention as it is.

Manic Moran

You may not be expecting an answer but the difference for me is that burning the American flag is a statement against a government and its policies; burning the Koran is a statement against the religion and this insults American Muslims and non-American Muslims who hold no malice against the US

The analogy is a fair one. If you burn the US flag which represents a nation, you equally insult members of the nation who may not have anything against you but who take their flag seriously. You may be protesting a specific portion of the American populace, but then the WDOC (or whatever) are protesting a specific portion of the muslim populace. After all, what object would be more specific to burn than a flag or a Koran to better represent your intended target? I don't believe there is one, short of effigies of specific persons, which might be too specific.

I can't say I'm much of a fan of these ritual burnings of either flags or books, they certainly aren't productive, but there is a certain element of goose/gander here.

NTM

Permabear

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Lockstep

Meh.

I'd view it as somewhat akin to flag-burning.
Sure you have the right to do it, but if you do so, you're being needlessly provocative and I personally think you are a tool.

Valmont

The world has kicked up a fuss because this man wants to burn some copies of the Koran yet all the news reports I've seen have mentioned nothing negative about some muslims burning effigies of the pastor draped in an American flag.

I hope the burning goes ahead, I'm tired of the media tip-toeing around any criticism of Islam for fear of retribution. A sentiment perfectly expressed in a recent episode of Southpark where Mohammed made an appearance talking only from the back of a U-Haul truck so as not to offend any muslims.

Denerick

Valmont wrote: »

The world has kicked up a fuss because this man wants to burn some copies of the Koran yet all the news reports I've seen have mentioned nothing negative about some muslims burning effigies of the pastor draped in an American flag.

I hope the burning goes ahead, I'm tired of the media tip-toeing around any criticism of Islam for fear of retribution. A sentiment perfectly expressed in a recent episode of Southpark where Mohammed made an appearance talking only from the back of a U-Haul truck so as not to offend any muslims.

No-one is debating that he has an inherent right to burn a Koran, if he wishes. However most people think it is both disrespectful and insane to do so. Here are the facts:

1) This will result in dead American soldiers
2) Hitler did something similar.

So dead soldiers and Hitler... Not the best idea to have have ever come out of Florida.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

hitler also walked on two legs and was born in austria, california just about elected him as governer too.

Killer Wench

Manic Moran wrote: »

The analogy is a fair one. If you burn the US flag which represents a nation, you equally insult members of the nation who may not have anything against you but who take their flag seriously.

I think this argument would be stronger if flag burning wasn't something that American citizens also did for purposes of protestation. Flag burning is protected under the Freedom of Speech and many citizens have done so as a means of expressing distress and distrust with the government. I think the fact that citizens would burn their own flag is more troubling to the extremely patriotic Americans than some unknown brown person thousands of miles away. So, there is an element of distance attached to the flag burning action; it is less personal and more directed at an institution than particular citizens. In contrast, the Koran burning is intended to strike out at a global religion that isn't limited to any particular racial/ethnic group, nation, or government. Where as flag burning is a right recognized within our country as symbolic speech (thus burning the Koran is also protected by our constitution), burning the Koran isn't something protected within Islamic faith; there is no clause permitting members of the religion to strike out against their sacred book as a means of protest.

metrovelvet

Why does everything revolve around not offending the Muslims?

Its just a god damned book ffs. The religion wont fall apart. If they end up on a blood thirsty rampage over a book burning, then it will only show them up and we can add this on the list next to the death hunt for Salman Rushdie for irrational insanity.

Exile 1798

First they burnt Dixie Chicks paraphernalia, and I said nothing because I was not a Dixie Chick...

metrovelvet

Exile 1798 wrote: »

First they burnt Dixie Chicks paraphernalia, and I said nothing because I was not a Dixie Chick...

Lol.

Why dont the muslims just burn some flags in retaliation? If they are talking death threats it only proves how crazy these people are.

wes

metrovelvet wrote: »

Lol.

Why dont the muslims just burn some flags in retaliation? If they are talking death threats it only proves how crazy these people are.

Well, no more crazy then the people who are against Mosque's and what not:

Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

Oh and let not forget death threats against those who want to build Islamic centers:

Daisy Khan: "When will Muslims be accepted?"

--SNIP--
She and her husband have been the target of major death threats since the controversy began and they are ramping up as is the hate mail. "We are working with the police on this."
--SNIP--

Does the action of a minority similarly taint those who are against Mosque's and Islamic centers, or does that reasoning only apply to Muslims?

metrovelvet

wes wrote: »

Well, no more crazy then the people who are against Mosque's and what not:

Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

Oh and let not forget death threats against those who want to build Islamic centers:


Does the action of a minority similarly taint those who are against Mosque's and Islamic centers, or does that reasoning only apply to Muslims?

I dont see any of their leaders coming out and telling them not to build a mosque for fear of lives being lost over this. I dont think those threats are being taken very seriously. I dont see Obama coming out with warnings against the mosque like he is against the Koran burnings. So obviously the Islamic threat, an AL Q recruitment bonanza is very real.

Try to remember that unlike Ireland, we don't have blasphemy laws.

wes

metrovelvet wrote: »

I dont see any of their leaders coming out and telling them not to build a mosque for fear of lives being lost over this. I dont think those threats are being taken very seriously. I dont see Obama coming out with warnings against the mosque like he is against the Koran burnings. So obviously the Islamic threat, an AL Q recruitment bonanza is very real.

People being dismissive of a threat, doesn't make them any less real. Then there is the matter of the arson attack, which shows clearly that some people have already taken action. Then there was a Pipe bomb attack as well against a US Islamic Center:

Pipe-bomb attack on Jacksonville mosque highlights tension over Muslim’s appointment to city board

metrovelvet wrote: »

Try to remember that unlike Ireland, we don't have blasphemy laws.

I am well aware of that, but I made no mention of blasphemy either way.

princeofparma

This pastor is a wacko lunatic but he does have a point.
Nobody says anything about the lunatic barbarism that goes on in Islamic countries.
Liberals who are supposedly pro-woman, pro-gay, pro-human rights, pro-democracy, pro-freedom etc etc seem to be making excuses for an ideology which is mysognistic, homophobic, oppressive, anti-democratic and savagely dictatorial.

Women are stoned to death, apostates beheaded, theocrats are issuing fatwas and terrorists are blowing people up in the name of Islam.

But when a twit in Florida decides to burn a stack of printed paper the whole Muslim world goes bat?

Denerick

princeofparma wrote: »

This pastor is a wacko lunatic but he does have a point.
Nobody says anything about the lunatic barbarism that goes on in Islamic countries.
Liberals who are supposedly pro-woman, pro-gay, pro-human rights, pro-democracy, pro-freedom etc etc seem to be making excuses for an ideology which is mysognistic, homophobic, oppressive, anti-democratic and savagely dictatorial.

Women are stoned to death, apostates beheaded, theocrats are issuing fatwas and terrorists are blowing people up in the name of Islam.

But when a twit in Florida decides to burn a stack of printed paper the whole Muslim world goes bat?

Yes, there are shades of South Park in all of this.

Though we should bear in mind that Islam is a religion, not an ideology. Just like how Christianity is a religion. Luckily western politicians and voters by and large don't care about religion (Except the US, but that country is... unique to put it nicely) Hopefully Islamic countries will do the same eventually.

DublinWriter

princeofparma wrote: »

Women are stoned to death, apostates beheaded, theocrats are issuing fatwas and terrorists are blowing people up in the name of Islam.

But when a twit in Florida decides to burn a stack of printed paper the whole Muslim world goes bat?

Funnily enough, there's nothing about beheading, fatwas and women wearing the full Burka in the Qu'ran...and I have looked.

However, there's plenty in the bible about stoning to death those who sleep with the same sex, those who eat shellfish and the correct conditions under which to own slaves (Book of Leviticus), how to seduce your 14-year-old cousin (Song of Soloman) and how we are all the produce of incest (Genesis).

Regarding the burning of books, I think Hitler tried it once, and it didn't go well with him in the long-term.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

I hate burning the koran , especially the lindy mcartney burgers
they go all dry and cardboardy

Overheal

http://gizmodo.com/5633977/koran+burning-church-gets-website-pulled-by-rackspace

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/08/florida.quran.reaction/

(CNN) -- Burning the Quran would be an "outrageous and grave gesture," the Vatican said Wednesday, joining a chorus of voices pleading with a small Florida church not to burn Islam's holy book on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.
The Vatican body responsible for dialogue with other religions expressed "great concern" about the plan by Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it would be a "disrespectful, disgraceful act." She was speaking Tuesday night at a State Department dinner in honor of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
Her statement came a day after the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, warned that the plan "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.
But despite the growing pressure, the pastor of the Florida church, Terry Jones, said Wednesday that "as of this time we have no intention of canceling."
Jones all week has rebuffed pleas to call off the event, saying radical Islamists are the target of his message.
"The general needs to point his finger to radical Islam and tell them to shut up, tell them to stop, tell them that we will not bow our knees to them," Jones said on CNN's "AC360."
"We are burning the book," Jones said. "We are not killing someone. We are not murdering people."
Jones announced Wednesday that the church's website provider has "canceled" Dove World Outreach Center's accounts, though its website, and another URL for a book written by Jones titled "Islam is of the Devil," were still accessible Wednesday evening.
"We feel that it's definitely an indirect attack on our freedom of speech," Jones said, adding that the provider, Rackspace, is "trying to shut us down."
But he said, "This is not going to affect the event going forward."
A spokesman for the provider, Rackspace, said the company decided to cancel the center's sites after investigating a complaint and reviewing both sites.
The center "violated the hate-speech provision of our acceptable-use policy," said Rackspace spokesman Dan Goodgame.
"This is not a constitutional issue. This is a contract issue," said Goodgame, adding that his company had given the center until midnight to find another host and move its content. Goodgame said Rackspace has about 100,000 customers and he did not know how long it had hosted those two specific sites.
On Tuesday, Jones said his flock was taking Petraeus' warning seriously but had not decided to cancel the event.
Jones told CNN that while his congregation still plans to burn Qurans to protest the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the church is "weighing" its intentions.
"We have firmly made up our mind, but at the same time, we are definitely praying about it," Jones said on CNN's "American Morning."
As reaction to the planned event grew Wednesday, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin took to social media outlets, using Twitter to call on Jones to "please stand down."
On Facebook, Palin wrote that Jones' planned Quran burning "will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don't feed that fire."
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is one of the few public officials who defended Jones' right to go ahead, even as he condemned the idea as "distasteful.
"I don't think he would like if somebody burned a book that in his religion he thinks is holy. ... But the First Amendment protects everybody, and you can't say that we are going to apply the First Amendment to only those cases where we are in agreement," Bloomberg said, citing the section of the Constitution that promises freedom of speech.
"If you want to be able to say what you want to say when the time comes that you want to say it, you have to defend others no matter how much you disagree with them," Bloomberg said.
The planned action has drawn sharp criticism from Muslims around the world and from U.S. officials.
The U.S. Embassy in Pakistan condemned it as "disrespectful, intolerant and divisive," in a statement on Wednesday.
"We are deeply concerned about all deliberate attempts to offend members of any religious or ethnic group," said Stephen Engelken, the second-ranking diplomat at the embassy.
The U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Tuesday issued a statement saying the U.S. government "in no way condones such acts of disrespect against the religion of Islam, and is deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups."
It emphasized that it strongly condemned "the offensive messages, which are contrary to U.S. government policy and deeply offensive to Muslims especially during the month of Ramadan."
"Americans from all religious and ethnic backgrounds reject the offensive initiative by this small group in Florida. A great number of American voices are protesting the hurtful statements made by this organization," the Afghanistan embassy said.
The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, James Jeffrey, issued a joint statement with Lloyd Austin, the commanding general of U.S. forces in Iraq, to condemn the act.
"As this holy month of Ramadan comes to a close and Iraqis prepare to celebrate Eid al-Fitr, we join with the citizens of Iraq and of every nation to repudiate religious intolerance and to respect and defend the diversity of faiths of our fellow man," they wrote.
With about 120,000 U.S. and NATO-led troops still battling al Qaeda and its allies in the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban movement, Petraeus warned that burning Qurans "is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems -- not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."
Lebanese President Michel Suleiman denounced the Quran burning as "contrary to the teachings of tolerant divine religions and totally incompatible with the logic of dialogue among civilizations, religions and cultures."
Suleiman noted that a United Nations conference on religious tolerance two years ago called on people "to renounce hatred and intolerance and terrorism," and "to reflect on the Christian teachings and concepts of humanity that emphasizes the love and respect for the other."
Thousands of Indonesians gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, on Sunday to protest the planned Quran burning.
"The burning is not only an insult to the holy Quran, but an insult to Islam and Muslims around the world," said Muhammad Ismail, a spokesman for the hard-line Indonesian Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population.
Jones said his congregation is aware that the action is offensive.
"We realize that this action would indeed offend people, offend the Muslims. I am offended when they burn the flag. I am offended when they burn the Bible. But we feel that the message that we are trying to send is much more important than people being offended."
Jones said Muslims are welcomed in the United States, if they observe the Constitution and don't try to impose Sharia, or Muslim law.
The message, he said, is directed toward the "radical element of Islam."
"Our message is very clear," he said. "It is not to the moderate Muslim. Our message is not a message of hate. Our message is a message of warning to the radical element of Islam, and I think what we see right now around the globe provides exactly what we're talking about," he said.
The center says it was founded in 1986 as a "total concept church for the rich, the poor, the young and the old." Its purpose is to "stand up for righteousness and for the truth of the Bible." It stresses that "Christians must return to the truth and stop hiding."

It seems others are in turn exercising their legal rights to stop this madness. I can only predict the amount of counter-protesters that will show up to the burning with CO2 Extinguishers.

I completely expected Bloomberg to stand by their rights in the same manner as Park51 but how dare Sarah Palin try and make herself look good here when she is largely responsible for all of this recent muslim outrage with her fcuking tweeting. Rile up the conservative base, roll some heads, spread some hate and collect on some votes. The *****.

I'd rather see her burned, personally.

Iwasfrozen

demonspawn wrote: »

If she attends the inauguration in a bikini.....yes.

Who wouldn't?

Killer Wench

Overheal wrote: »

... but how dare Sarah Palin try and make herself look good here when she is largely responsible for all of this recent muslim outrage with her fcuking tweeting.

I'd rather see her burned.

I think that I had mentioned this earlier in this thread, but no one wants to be associated with an act that could result in direct retaliation to our troops. Although people are willing to accept the results of war and combat, there is something... uncomfortable... about conducting an action that would have an immediate reaction against our service personnel. In other words, Palin doesn't want to say, "heck yeah, burn them all" and then there are 200 troops killed in revenge; that would forever tarnish her image.

The Volt

Did anyone else read this as 'plan to burn Koreans will put lives in danger'?

I was like, well duh!

metrovelvet

Well if all these fantasies of repercussions come to life, I hope the media takes some accountability for this because without them, no one would give a **** about some dinky church in Florida burning the Koran.

That Muslims would actually target American cities because some dinky church burns the Koran just convinces me even more of what I already thought of them.

Ain't the first amendment fun?

I knew this mosque was a bad idea.

theparish

This is the way I see it.If the dumb ass pastor burns a few Korans there is bound to be a number of murders commited by the other dumb ass extremists around the world.Therefore as the dumb ass pastor leaves his house on saturday for his morning coffee before the Koran BBQ "bang" 7.62mm round blows his head off.The sniper slips off into the background and heads off for a well earned full Irish.Problem solved,one dead nutjob as opposed to god knows how many innocent people around the globe.If they can get to JFK then pastor Terry will be a piece of piss.

metrovelvet

Burn some books and get your head blown off? Blow up some cities? A bit of a disproportionate response? Just a little?

Nodin

metrovelvet wrote: »

Well if all these fantasies of repercussions come to life, I hope the media takes some accountability for this because without them, no one would give a **** about some dinky church in Florida burning the Koran.

That Muslims would actually target American cities because some dinky church burns the Koran just convinces me even more of what I already thought of them.

Ain't the first amendment fun?

I knew this mosque was a bad idea.

And of course the idea that the people involved in the Islamic centre are in no way akin to those who would carry out said 'repercussions' just doesn't arise.....

Victor

Revolution9 wrote: »

That's two close to Nojobisthan, the new country for the unemployed.

You don't want them to think your taking the piss outta their country. The potential feud between Nojobisthan and the proposed nation of Nutjobisthan would dwarf the current flag/koran burning between the USA and the Muslims.

FYR Nutjobistan?