Freefall programme on rte 1

Slideshowbob · 07-09-2010 03:37AM #1

Anyone else want to have heard Brian lenihan on phone to French finance minister explaining the bank guarantee to her in french even though she has perfect English? :rolleyes:

Dirk Gently · 07-09-2010 07:01AM

What I found astonishing is that they tried to pin the blame on deregulation and hyper free market practices. Was it not the unions and public workers who caused the crash, and the free market and deregulation our only saviour? Nice to be reminded of the ideology of the crash before it's airbrushed out of history under the unrelenting weight of rants to sell off, deregulate and slash wages to make "the market" love us again.

Got a chuckle when Lenihan said he couldn't be reached because he was at a FF race day when the EU called to tell him to save the banks at all cost. Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Good to see a bit of honesty for a change. :pac:

ei.sdraob · 07-09-2010 08:00AM

clown bag wrote: »

Got a chuckle when Lenihan said he couldn't be reached because he was at a FF race day when the EU called to tell him to save the banks at all cost. Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Good to see a bit of honesty for a change. :pac:

Says alot doesnt it?

The ECB boss cant get thru to the finance minister as the stocks are collapsing, because he is at a Fianna Fail "event" at a racecourse :mad: ****ing hell like

Anyways is it me or did they try hard to paint Brian Lenihan as the knight in shining armor that tried to rescue Ireland

Interesting how the they blame the markets aint it? sure its all the Lehman Brothers, have we heard that one before :rolleyes: Other countries that embraced same banking practices and worse like Iceland already got rid of their government (imagine that!), had a referendum and series of enquiries while we here in Ireland continue to sink deeper

Alwayson · 07-09-2010 10:11AM

Interesting programme but why the need for all the talking heads? There must have been at least 20, the usual suspects, McWilliams, Ross, Power, Cooper etc. Does RTE think we won't believe anything unless we hear it from these "gurus"? Good narration would have done for me. There was even one instance where the camera cut from one guy starting a sentence to McWilliams finishing it. Reminds me of a FAS video editing course I did once.

MrDarcy · 07-09-2010 10:22AM

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Says alot doesnt it?

The ESB ECB boss cant get thru to the finance minister as the stocks are collapsing, because he is at a Fianna Fail "event" at a racecourse :mad: ****ing hell like

Anyways is it me or did they try hard to paint Brian Lenihan as the knight in shining armor that tried to rescue Ireland

Interesting how the they blame the markets aint it? sure its all the Lehman Brothers, have we heard that one before :rolleyes: Other countries that embraced same banking practices and worse like Iceland already got rid of their government (imagine that!), had a referendum and series of enquiries while we here in Ireland continue to sink deeper

Fixed that for ya!

:D:D

Gus99 · 07-09-2010 11:39AM

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Interesting how the they blame the markets aint it? sure its all the Lehman Brothers, have we heard that one before :rolleyes:

In fairness, my understanding from the closing remarks were that next week's episode will focus on the disastrous policies which exacerbated the crash in Ireland

ei.sdraob · 07-09-2010 11:49AM

Gus99 wrote: »

In fairness, my understanding from the closing remarks were that next week's episode will focus on the disastrous policies which exacerbated the crash in Ireland

My understanding from closing remarks is that they will try to paint Bertie in a good light.
We cant have him claiming any responsibility now can we

The whole documentary seems like a propaganda piece by FF for FF

Nijmegen · 07-09-2010 12:09PM

The whole piece was unconvincing, and did seem like an awful sop to our government.

Not even a mention of the likes of the Anglo-Nationwide "Let's book a loan as deposits" scandle, or other such things that should see some of these people tossed in prison.

kuntboy · 07-09-2010 12:15PM

Classic pro-FF spin from the national propaganda machine RTE. I'm sure the Minister for Propaganda Communications didn't approve this first. FF did no wrong, it was "deregulation", or something.

Just makes my blood boil that these pr1cks have destroyed us and gotten away scott free.

silverharp · 07-09-2010 12:16PM

it was like a party political broadcast , it was this or riots in the street. :rolleyes:

Skrynesaver · 07-09-2010 12:25PM

Probably worth waiting for the second half before condemning utterly, but this seemed to be a rehash of the "It was all Lehmans fault" BS we've heard before.

If the second episode comes out with the "Sure we all borrowed too much" I may need to be medicated.

I didn't borrow beyond what I could afford
I didn't buy "investment" properties
I didn't go on shopping trips to New York
Or Golfing jaunts to Dubai
and I certainly didn't buy nor fund the purchase of property @ €84million per acre

Fortunately I still have a job, however I'm going to be lumbered with this bill as are the next 2 generations of my family. Is it unreasonable to want these irresponsible idiots punished?

GSF · 07-09-2010 12:39PM

Bertie next week will claim that nobody warned him. Hopefully they will slice that bit of film next to the one where he tells the cribbers & moaners talking down the economy to go off and commit suicide :mad:If not then this will just be a FF rehab project.

acatisacat · 07-09-2010 01:09PM

next week looks really creepy.......

jank · 07-09-2010 01:25PM

Any idea if this is going to be on rte player?

mikemac · 07-09-2010 02:45PM

jank wrote: »

Any idea if this is going to be on rte player?

Yep, it's there now

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Anyone else want to have heard Brian lenihan on phone to French finance minister explaining the bank guarantee to her in french even though she has perfect English? :rolleyes:

What's the issue?
If you call someone in France and can speak French then why wouldn't you do so?

07-09-2010 03:02PM

jank wrote: »

Any idea if this is going to be on rte player?

It usually takes a few days to appear there or just ahead of the following weeks episode.

what was matt cooper doing on it? he's not an economist.

GreeBo · 07-09-2010 03:08PM

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Anyone else want to have heard Brian lenihan on phone to French finance minister explaining the bank guarantee to her in french even though she has perfect English? :rolleyes:

What a stupid "point" to make. He is fluent in French and speaking to a French person in France.
Would you also be laughing at the French finance minister speaking to him in English when he has perfect French?

Joe1919 · 07-09-2010 03:24PM

There was a tradition and courtesy that if one rings a foreign country, the person who makes the call should speak in the language of the country that is called. This makes sense. How could a telephone operator know every language and hence, if one wants to ring a French government department, the onus is on the caller to speak in French or provide a translator, if this is necessary.

Idbatterim · 07-09-2010 03:25PM

I also had to laugh at Lenihan being at a FF event at a racecourse, when he missed the call. Does he not realise the way the public in general see FF! :rolleyes:

Économiste Monétaire · 07-09-2010 03:25PM

jank wrote: »

Any idea if this is going to be on rte player?

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1079867

eireoflot · 07-09-2010 03:45PM

fairly slick but low on substance.probably made with an eye on flogging it overseas.

Thargor · 07-09-2010 03:53PM

eireoflot wrote: »

fairly slick but low on substance.probably made with an eye on flogging it overseas.

Eh? Who would give a crap outside Ireland?

eireoflot · 07-09-2010 04:08PM

comedy central, hallmark,living:)

jmayo · 07-09-2010 04:15PM

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Says alot doesnt it?

The ECB boss cant get thru to the finance minister as the stocks are collapsing, because he is at a Fianna Fail "event" at a racecourse :mad: ****ing hell like

Anyways is it me or did they try hard to paint Brian Lenihan as the knight in shining armor that tried to rescue Ireland

The sooner he is gone the better for all of us.
And no I don't think that is distasteful, I am being perfectly honest something the man in question hasn't.

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Interesting how the they blame the markets aint it? sure its all the Lehman Brothers, have we heard that one before :rolleyes: Other countries that embraced same banking practices and worse like Iceland already got rid of their government (imagine that!), had a referendum and series of enquiries while we here in Ireland continue to sink deeper

They actually brought in the Norwegian-born French financial investigator, Eva Joly who had led the high profile enquiry into Elf, and they included some of her team to do the investigation.

Alwayson wrote: »

Interesting programme but why the need for all the talking heads? There must have been at least 20, the usual suspects, McWilliams, Ross, Power, Cooper etc. Does RTE think we won't believe anything unless we hear it from these "gurus"? Good narration would have done for me. There was even one instance where the camera cut from one guy starting a sentence to McWilliams finishing it. Reminds me of a FAS video editing course I did once.

Do not knock the likes of Ross.
He has indeed done this country and it's citizens some service.

If you think good narration would do then fine, but would you then be complaining asking what so called experts were used to formulate the text for the narrator ?

Speaking of experts, did they have Morgan Kelly on it by any chance.
I missed first bit of the program but wht i saw of it there was nothing new and it tended to ignore some of the stuff, you know like political responsibility.

The sooner the opposition of some sort get in and fillet those f***ers in Donnybrook the better.

Thargor wrote: »

Eh? Who would give a crap outside Ireland?

Perhaps the Germans who may end up paying for this mess ?

Believe it or not little old Ireland can help scupper the Euro, so quiet a number of clued in people outside Ireland would like to really know what was going on here.

Afterall they are being asked to help bail out what is left of the decrepit cesspits called our banks.

Although at this stage most of them probably think we are a bunch of ungrateful chancers ruled by the biggest bunch of chancers in Europe.

dan_d · 07-09-2010 06:58PM

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Anyone else want to have heard Brian lenihan on phone to French finance minister explaining the bank guarantee to her in french even though she has perfect English? :rolleyes:

To be fair, if he'd been explaining in english, there would have been those giving out that he should have at least tried to speak French.

It's quibbling, and I'm not a fan of FF.;)

Colonel Sanders · 07-09-2010 07:29PM

An exercise in justification straight from th FF PR department claiming to be a "documentary". It was all those Lehman brothers fault

And I'm not sure if I can face part 2 next week

'You shouldn't be worrying, Taoiseach. Dat's de free market working'

Ali Babba · 07-09-2010 11:11PM

At the rate this place is sinking it will be a weekly series.....:(

Mick Regan · 08-09-2010 12:50AM

Personally I find it hard to give any credibility to a Finance Minister / Department that can get a financial estimate wrong by a factor of 20 billion euros or so, and then try to convince us that we shouldn't really be concerned about it.

Slideshowbob · 08-09-2010 01:16AM

I apologise, it's clear from video below that Brian limboham would have perfect French: :rolleyes:

http://www.google.ie/search?q=après+match+Brian+lenihan&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

Nijmegen · 08-09-2010 08:30AM

The whole thing about speaking French is, did he have to mention it like that? It just came across like a school kid talking up their achievements. "I told her, in French, that..." Great. That makes the world of difference.

thebman · 08-09-2010 10:39AM

Watched it, kind of disgusted me and made me laugh at the same time TBH.

So it was a Lehman Bros fault ...

Nothing to do at all with the relaxing of financial regulations to cowbow levels.

But sure other countries were doing the same thing ...

Yet somehow didn't end up in as bad a hole as we find ourselves in.

Freefall programme on rte 1

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