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Michaela Davis.. the justice system - a 15 year old girl's POV

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  • #32
    face1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭face1990


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    How does that make her not any better than he is, she wants some absolute scumbag to be put to death for raping and killing a young girl. What place can that kind of scumbag ever have in society? Theres a complete difference in saying that somebody should be hanged for a crime like that, and someone doing what they did to that girl.

    This nonsense of giving him a minimum sentance and sitting him through some course and putting an arm around him telling him its ok, then releasing him back to the public without knowing if he's 'cured' or not is ridiculus. Whatever scumbag did something like this should give up their right to live in society again.

    I don't want derail this thread into a discussion on the death sentence, but you need to remember that there are good reasons why almost the entire western world has abolished it.

    Also, what difference would it make whether he's locked up indefinitely or hung? His death won't bring Micheala back, it'll just prolong and increase the suffering of his family & friends. The death penalty is barbaric and backward, and I'm glad it's long abolished here.


  • #33
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I never said he should have an arm put around him, but what in the hell do you think gives YOU the right who should live and who should die?

    You complain about people killing. and you're talking about killing? You think you can decide who lives and dies is it?

    I'm complaining about innocent people being killed. Not murderers. I think judges should be given the option of imposing a death sentence, then they can decide. I'm hardly saying I should be consulted on every case in the country :rolleyes:


  • #34
    uwala
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭uwala


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Dude, ths is kinda uncalled for!

    If you want to put a point across, that's fine. But don't say ridiculous things like this! It voids your entire post, because people will know what kind of person is posting it!

    And what kind of person is that, you pr1ck? If a solicitor brought it up in a court of law would you be saying the same thing? Or is it not compatible with the tabloid headlines of the completely innocent? The 12yr old was hanging out with 19 yr olds, for christ's sake. Did the parents know, or even care? Plenty of skangers are pregnant at 14, which means sex at 13, in case you didn't know, or is it taboo to say that too?


  • #35
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    I'm complaining about innocent people being killed. Not murderers. I think judges should be given the option of imposing a death sentence, then they can decide. I'm hardly saying I should be consulted on every case in the country :rolleyes:

    So, you think murder is bad......... but killing people who have commited crimes is good? :rolleyes:

    You realise we don't live in The Bible right? What you're saying is sheer hypocrisy!

    Also, what you're saying is that this lad, who has NOT been convicted, in a case of which you know NONE of the facts, should be hanged?

    Well done Sir! You are the reason democracy is wasted on a lot of people!


  • #36
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    uwala wrote: »
    And what kind of person is that, you pr1ck? If a solicitor brought it up in a court of law would you be saying the same thing? Or is it not compatible with the tabloid headlines of the completely innocent? The 12yr old was hanging out with 19 yr olds, for christ's sake. Did the parents know, or even care? Plenty of skangers are pregnant at 14, which means sex at 13, in case you didn't know, or is it taboo to say that too?

    I won't reply to someone who can't have a discussion without throwing personal abuse.


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  • #37
    MiciG91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭MiciG91


    uwala wrote: »
    And what kind of person is that, you pr1ck? If a solicitor brought it up in a court of law would you be saying the same thing? Or is it not compatible with the tabloid headlines of the completely innocent? The 12yr old was hanging out with 19 yr olds, for christ's sake. Did the parents know, or even care? Plenty of skangers are pregnant at 14, which means sex at 13, in case you didn't know, or is it taboo to say that too?


    Pics or get the **** out


  • #38
    MiciG91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭MiciG91


    MiciG91 wrote: »
    Pics or get the **** out

    see i can make ridiculous replies too


  • #39
    face1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭face1990


    uwala wrote: »
    And what kind of person is that, you pr1ck? If a solicitor brought it up in a court of law would you be saying the same thing? Or is it not compatible with the tabloid headlines of the completely innocent? The 12yr old was hanging out with 19 yr olds, for christ's sake. Did the parents know, or even care? Plenty of skangers are pregnant at 14, which means sex at 13, in case you didn't know, or is it taboo to say that too?

    What's wrong with what you said is that you have nothing to back it up with. You've made judgement on her character (and her parents) with nothing other than your own bizarre opinion to base it on.

    Just try to have a bit of respect. Its a dead child you're talking about.


  • #40
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    I'm complaining about innocent people being killed. Not murderers. I think judges should be given the option of imposing a death sentence, then they can decide. I'm hardly saying I should be consulted on every case in the country :rolleyes:

    Well the Irish people were consulted through a referendum a few years back and voted to remove the provision for the death penalty from the Constitution. So I guess you're very much in the minority there...


  • #41
    uwala
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭uwala


    I have plenty of respect but the questions need to be asked. The parents have a lot to answer for.


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  • #42
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    uwala wrote: »
    I have plenty of respect but the questions need to be asked. The parents have a lot to answer for.
    uwala wrote: »
    And what kind of person is that, you pr1ck

    You call random people pricks.

    I say, YOUR parents have a lot to answer for.


  • #43
    uwala
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭uwala


    Einhard wrote: »
    You know what, this might get me banned, but you're an asshole for posting that. She was fucking strangled to death a week after she started secondary school, and you have nothing better to do than to sully her name. Jesus Christ, sometimes AH depresses me.

    I merely asked a few hard questions and made some not unreasonable surmises. If you haven't the intelligence to handle a serious discussion, then dont reply. Yes some of the points are serious and hard to take, but they need to be made. Or would you rather the whole thread to consist of
    "aw isn't it terrible" or "we should execute the killer". Go read a tabloid newspaper if want that level of discussion.


  • #44
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So, you think murder is bad......... but killing people who have commited crimes is good? :rolleyes:

    You realise we don't live in The Bible right? What you're saying is sheer hypocrisy!

    Also, what you're saying is that this lad, who has NOT been convicted, in a case of which you know NONE of the facts, should be hanged?

    Well done Sir! You are the reason democracy is wasted on a lot of people!

    Yes I think people should be punished properly for their crimes.

    Obviously I realise we're not living in the bible.

    Assuming he is convicted, somebody obviously did it, and I'm not referring to the specific lad, I'm referring to whoever did it. And yes, I think the death penalty should be an option.

    Why is democracy wasted on me?


  • #45
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    Einhard wrote: »
    Well the Irish people were consulted through a referendum a few years back and voted to remove the provision for the death penalty from the Constitution. So I guess you're very much in the minority there...

    So what if I'm in the minority, does that mean I can't express my view?


  • #46
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Yes I think people should be punished properly for their crimes.

    And you think murdering them is "proper"? Well done!
    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Why is democracy wasted on me?

    Because you don't deserve it!


  • #47
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    So what if I'm in the minority, does that mean I can't express my view?

    No, but this means you have been democratically over-ruled.

    Society would be much worse was it run by people like you!


  • #48
    uwala
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭uwala


    strobe wrote: »
    I don't think you'll get banned for calling him an asshole anymore than you would for calling a spade a spade to be honest.

    Some of his total of 17 posts on the site so far:

    It goes on like this for around about 17 posts.......

    OK "strobe", let's examine some of your posting history, since pathetic ad hominems is all you seem to be capable of....hmmm. almost 1500 posts, wow, well done. Actually forget it, I couldn't be bothered.


  • #49
    cooker3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    actully, there are a lot adults that would feel the same as me, justice system is too soft in Ireland, I will not and never will change my views on it. And yeah, fifteen is a great age :D

    Oh excellent, so no facts or arguments will ever dissuade you, no matter what, because your opinion is, obviously, 100% correct. Oh to be 15 and know it all again.


  • #50
    uwala
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭uwala


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You call random people pricks.

    I say, YOUR parents have a lot to answer for.

    Not random people, just you.


  • #51
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No, but this means you have been democratically over-ruled.

    Society would be much worse was it run by people like you!

    In your opinion.
    And I'm not the only one who thinks it. I think society would also be terrible being run by bleeding heart liberals who seek to put labels on every crime and blame people circumstances instead of the person taking some responsiblility form themselves.
    And you think murdering them is "proper"? Well done!
    I think its a fitting punishment to some crimes, yes. What use do you think he'll be in society.

    Because you don't deserve it!

    why not?


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  • #52
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    In your opinion.
    And I'm not the only one who thinks it.

    Well not enough of you agree for their to be a majority, democracy my friend.
    I think its a fitting punishment to some crimes, yes. What use do you think he'll be in society.

    People don't exist just so they can be of use to you in society. You don't just get to choose to murder someone because they're no use to you. :rolleyes:


  • #53
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    So what if I'm in the minority, does that mean I can't express my view?

    Of course not. But so many of the people who demand the re-introduction of the capital penalty do so as if they had their finger on the pulse of the nation whilst doing so. Does no harm to point out that the majority of the people are actually against such "populist" measures.


  • #54
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Well not enough of you agree for their to be a majority, democracy my friend.



    People don't exist just so they can be of use to you in society. You don't just get to choose to murder someone because they're no use to you. :rolleyes:

    Should be an option for those who choose to take someone elses life in my opinion. Victim didn't choose to get murdered either.


  • #55
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Should be an option for those who choose to take someone elses life in my opinion. Victim didn't choose to get murdered either.

    As if the would.

    But you think that you can just murder people who are of "no use to society".

    You're no better than he is!


  • #56
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »


    I think its a fitting punishment to some crimes, yes. What use do you think he'll be in society.




    We should kill people deemed to be of no use to society?


  • #57
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Einhard wrote: »
    We should kill people deemed them to be of no use to society?

    Didn't a famous Austiran once try this?


  • #58
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    Einhard wrote: »
    We should kill people deemed them to be of no use to society?

    No, what I'm saying is, the option to sentence scumbags who murder or rape children should be there to the judge, in my opinion.

    And you both know well I mean that, and I'm not advocating killing everyone I deem no longer useful to society. ;)


  • #59
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Should be an option for those who choose to take someone elses life in my opinion.

    Not there shouldn't. Justice that is neither detatched nor impartial can neither be fair nor civilised. How could the victim of a powerful career criminal possibly avail of such an option when retribution in kind would practically be gauranteed?


  • #60
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    No, what I'm saying is, the option to sentence scumbags who murder or rape children should be there to the judge, in my opinion.

    So the state should value lives according to the age of the victim?


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  • #61
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    No, what I'm saying is, the option to sentence scumbags who murder or rape children should be there to the judge, in my opinion..

    Ah, so YOU don't wanna be the one to kill them, you want to pass the responsibility to someone else and have them kill these people on your behalf!

    How very noble of you!


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