Criminals paying for their sins . .

pvt6zh395dqbrj · 31-08-2010 12:20AM

Drumpot wrote: »

As I said in previous post, I mentioned it as a concept of discipline to begin debate . . Its hardly extreme form of torture. .

And I know some people believe that rehabilitation can only involve putting your arm around a poor unfortunate sole who had no other choice but to commit the crime, but one shoe does not fit all. . . Not just that, a society's commitement should be to the majority of the law abiding citizens. Yes people deserve a second chance. Yes, they deserve rehabilitation. Yes they deserve rewards for good behavior.

But if the report posted was true and accurate 50% of the criminals in this country reoffend and dont deserve such luxuries or the benefit of the doubt . . Im not talking about throwing them in a dark dungeon and feeding them piss and sh*t. . It seems that some people feel that everybody can be brought into society with time, love and understanding . ..

My hero, Michael Scofield, didn't need rehabilitation or a friendly ear or an arm. He just wanted to break out. And he did because he was a genius and he had the prison tatooed on his body.

Then he went to another prison that he didn't have tatooed on his body and he still broke out. Becaue he is such a genius. One time, he worked out how to make a rocket out of garbage and he fired it while his friend Fernando punched a woman. And he also made Origami but he didn't learn that in Prison he just knew because he loved his brother.

sponsoredwalk · 31-08-2010 12:20AM

The Sad Story of Michael Scofield :pac:

pvt6zh395dqbrj · 31-08-2010 12:23AM

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

The Sad Story of Michael Scofield :pac:

Pouring out a forty for your home slice.

skelliser · 31-08-2010 12:26AM

I think we should bus them up to the border and dump them all in "nordin orland", sure they hate each other and everything up there anyways, whats abit more hate!

Drumpot · 31-08-2010 12:32AM

Einhard wrote: »

Nobody enjoys prison! An inmate's liberty is entirely taken away. He can't make decisions for himself. He can't decide what you want for breakfast. He can't even decide when he'll have breakfast. He sees his family by appointment once a month. He talks to his kids through a glass partition. In some Irish prisons he can't even take a shit at night and flush the toilet afterwards. The whole point of prison is the deprivation of liberty. That's the punishment. There's no need to start degrading an inmate just so some people can satisfy a vindictive streak.

Ok . . So you are not into the pink clothes thing . . I mentioned it as a debate opener and it was hardly the main point I made . .

You dont agree with criminals working in prison so ?

aDeener · 31-08-2010 12:58AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

The man is a shameless self promotor, sure that's what he called his book.
Certainly not a modest man :rolleyes:

what an unusual name for a book

Einhard · 31-08-2010 01:01AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Ok . . So you are not into the pink clothes thing . . I mentioned it as a debate opener and it was hardly the main point I made . .

You dont agree with criminals working in prison so ?

I think that a debate is needed about our prisons and the systems that are in place therein, but I don't think a useful debate is possible when those pushing for reform push hard labour and degrading treatment as alternatives to the status quo, and dismiss as a liberal, lefty do-gooder anyone who thinks otherwise.

Dudess · 31-08-2010 01:09AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Is it the case that there are too many bleeding heart liberals who feel its more important to protect the rights of somebody who showed complete disregard for the law (and the rest of us), then try to save the hard strapped taxpayers money from being used to keep these guys in some sort of comfort ?

No. They just don't want a state to have the power to do ****ed up stuff like that thug Arpaio.

Pace2008 · 31-08-2010 01:17AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Just watched a couple of programmes of "America's hardest prisons" and it made me think that we really do have things wrong here (I know , I know, where do we start) in terms of the prison system. .

There's a prison in texas where it costs more to feed the police dogs then the inmates. They pride theirselves on keeping the cost of prisoners down. . For example , they use disgarded food not used to feed the prisoners. They dress them in pink.

I know that there are issues with overcrowding and Im sure there are people who would say that the prisons of this country are no walk in the park, but they arent supposed to be. It is time that prison in Ireland was as much about "hard time" for the real bad criminals, as it is supposed to be about rehabilitation. .

Some people might argue the deterrant debate .. Who cares if its not a deterrent, if it saves the taxpayer money and makes inmates uncomfortable in their stay then it cant be that bad.

Is it the case that there are too many bleeding heart liberals rabble rabble rabble

It's possible you've got something to say, but these days when I see or hear this phrase I just tune out. I've heard it used to describe people opposing those condoning anything from torture to human experimentation on criminals and it's completely lost all meaning to me.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels the same.

Jeboa Safari · 31-08-2010 01:29AM

Einhard wrote: »

I think that a debate is needed about our prisons and the systems that are in place therein, but I don't think a useful debate is possible when those pushing for reform push hard labour and degrading treatment as alternatives to the status quo, and dismiss as a liberal, lefty do-gooder anyone who thinks otherwise.

works both ways, people wanting to have tougher prisons are told the rigth wing thread is where ever, or called fascist and whatnot

Pace2008 · 31-08-2010 01:33AM

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

works both ways, people wanting to have tougher prisons are told the rigth wing thread is where ever, or called fascist and whatnot

Black-hearted CommuNazis is the preferred term these days.

Criminals paying for their sins . .

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