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Perio KIN and tooth paste?

  • 16-11-2009 08:19PM
    #1
    Janine87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭


    Hi there,

    I went to the hygienist today to get my teeth cleaned. Very happy about the result.

    The other thing is... I got Perio KIN gel to treat my gums for 2 weeks as they are red and my gums are very sensitive so they start bleeding. I also have to use floss. All no problem but Im wondering do I have to use my normal tooth paste in those 2 weeks as well or only start using it again after the 2 weeks gel?


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  • #2
    How Strange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭How Strange


    When I used it I used to alternate so tooth paste once a day, periokin once a day. Also rubbed it on my gums for the first few weeks when they were swollen and bleeding. The hygienist recommended doing this.


  • #3
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    How Strange wrote: »
    When I used it I used to alternate so tooth paste once a day, periokin once a day. Also rubbed it on my gums for the first few weeks when they were swollen and bleeding. The hygienist recommended doing this.

    what did your periodontist say about it?? the marketing point of periokin is that it won't stain your teeth like corsodyl.
    but it only really works on dirt that's under 24 hours old, which will come away with decent brushing anyway.
    as for toothpaste, the fluoride is good for the teeth, but as for removing the dirt....

    Toothpaste?

    • “The use of a dentifrice did not contribute to
    mechanical plaque removal during manual
    toothbrushing. It seemed that the mechanical
    action provided by the toothbrush was the main
    factor in the plaque-removing process.”
    • “ ... analysis showed that brushing without a
    dentifrice was more effective in removing plaque
    on approximal surfaces.”
    • Confirmed results of previous studies (Axelsson
    & Lindhe 1981, Frandsen 1986)
    (Paraskevas et al 2007)


  • #4
    Janine87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭Janine87


    I read someones post on this a few years ago.
    I do it the exact same way she does it.
    First I floss my teeth, then I brush them with normal tooth paste and then I put on the perio kin and massage it in.


  • #5
    Razlab
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Razlab


    Wont stain your teeth?
    Side Effects shown on Livar Pharmaceutical's website:

    With KIN GINGIVAL Toothpaste staining of the teeth and fillings can occur after long-term use, and after contact with tobacco and certain foods and drinks, such as coffee. This staining is not permanent and can be removed by your dentist.


  • #6
    LKIN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭LKIN


    Hi to all,

    I'm a pharmacist and I work in the head office of Kin in Barcelona. I would like to clarify a few points.

    The correct way of applying PerioKin Gel is to massage it onto the affected area of your gums after you brush your teeth, and after you rinse with mouthwash if it is also the case. Or follow the instructions of your dentist of hyginist should they have alternative guidelines for you.

    With regards to:
    "what did your periodontist say about it?? the marketing point of periokin is that it won't stain your teeth like corsodyl.
    but it only really works on dirt that's under 24 hours old, which will come away with decent brushing anyway.
    as for toothpaste, the fluoride is good for the teeth, but as for removing the dirt...."
    I'm sorry we have never made these marketing claims. However, it is true that the correct way of using the product shouldn't cause any staining.

    With regards to the quote on Livar's website, I would like to clarify that even though chlorhexidine may stain, the way Kin's products are formulated and for the amount of time they should be used for, there should be no problems in this sense. Kin does feel obliged to state the warning anyway.

    With regards to toothbrushing with our without toothpastes: the mechanical effect of toothbrushing does help to eliminate plaque if done correctly. At the same time, there is a huge variety of toothpastes in the market, most contain fluoride to strengthen your teeth. Others also contain specific ingredients for specific problems: such as agents to avoid plaque and tartar build-up, ingredients to clam hypersensitive teeth, etc. Their excipients also have useful purposes such as menthol and other minty flavours to avoid bad breath, detergents to help loosen the plaque and make the mechanical toothbrushing action more effective.

    Cheers.


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  • #7
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    LKIN wrote: »
    Hi to all,

    I'm a pharmacist and I work in the head office of Kin in Barcelona. I would like to clarify a few points.

    The correct way of applying PerioKin Gel is to massage it onto the affected area of your gums after you brush your teeth, and after you rinse with mouthwash if it is also the case. Or follow the instructions of your dentist of hyginist should they have alternative guidelines for you.

    With regards to:
    "what did your periodontist say about it?? the marketing point of periokin is that it won't stain your teeth like corsodyl.
    but it only really works on dirt that's under 24 hours old, which will come away with decent brushing anyway.
    as for toothpaste, the fluoride is good for the teeth, but as for removing the dirt...."
    I'm sorry we have never made these marketing claims. However, it is true that the correct way of using the product shouldn't cause any staining.

    With regards to the quote on Livar's website, I would like to clarify that even though chlorhexidine may stain, the way Kin's products are formulated and for the amount of time they should be used for, there should be no problems in this sense. Kin does feel obliged to state the warning anyway.

    With regards to toothbrushing with our without toothpastes: the mechanical effect of toothbrushing does help to eliminate plaque if done correctly. At the same time, there is a huge variety of toothpastes in the market, most contain fluoride to strengthen your teeth. Others also contain specific ingredients for specific problems: such as agents to avoid plaque and tartar build-up, ingredients to clam hypersensitive teeth, etc. Their excipients also have useful purposes such as menthol and other minty flavours to avoid bad breath, detergents to help loosen the plaque and make the mechanical toothbrushing action more effective.

    Cheers.

    thanks for your clarification. maybe it's time to call in your reps who are saying this just to point them in the right direction then.
    as for where i said that mouthwash will only work on dirt in a certain timeframe, it was not exclusive to kin.


  • #8
    Big_G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Big_G


    A study done in the dental school while I was there (I was a participant) showed that chlorhexidine digluconate (active ingredient of kin) is not as effective at killing oral flora as chlorhexidine gluconate (active ingredient of corsodyl). In fact, the reason that staining was caused is that the plaque bacteria were killed nearly instantly and crystallised on the surface of the tooth. This crystallised plaque is the cause of staining (it promotes the retention of coloured compounds).

    Would you care to comment on this LKin? By the way, thanks for posting here. Its not often we get access to someone involved in product development.


  • #9
    LKIN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭LKIN


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    thanks for your clarification. maybe it's time to call in your reps who are saying this just to point them in the right direction then.
    as for where i said that mouthwash will only work on dirt in a certain timeframe, it was not exclusive to kin.

    Our reps in Ireland are great! However all this is noted and I'll tell them.
    Cheers!


  • #10
    LKIN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭LKIN


    Big_G wrote: »
    A study done in the dental school while I was there (I was a participant) showed that chlorhexidine digluconate (active ingredient of kin) is not as effective at killing oral flora as chlorhexidine gluconate (active ingredient of corsodyl). In fact, the reason that staining was caused is that the plaque bacteria were killed nearly instantly and crystallised on the surface of the tooth. This crystallised plaque is the cause of staining (it promotes the retention of coloured compounds).

    Would you care to comment on this LKin? By the way, thanks for posting here. Its not often we get access to someone involved in product development.

    Hi!
    Actually chlorhxidine digluoconate and gluconate are the same, being chlorhexidine digluconate the INCI name, and chlorhexidine gluconate the INN name.
    We have a completely different theory on the staining. And the amount of colouring substances you consume definitely plays a role.


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