Getting Out of Ireland as Fast as You Can

HavingCrack · 29-08-2010 03:35PM

charlemont wrote: »

spent few months there 10 years ago, great country to make friends in, language is no problem as long as they know you respect their country..

Wow, it certainly sounds like an option so.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

He won't be the only non-speaking-Dutch foreigner there, you know.

Suggesting that you only mix with other foreigners isn't exactly a great idea for integrating into a country don't you think???

Wagon · 29-08-2010 04:18PM

Im supposing you are looking for work, try holland or germany, even the uk. bristol is goof for work i hear. places like that in europe. avoid spain and italy. spain is worse than ireland and italians try and avoid paying you if they can.

then save up and travel far and wide if you like.:)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-08-2010 05:06PM

Chorcai wrote: »

Yea go and see how shít it is in other countries, make yourself even more depressed. Walking ATM is all you will be seen as.

What other countries have you seen that made you even more depressed? I'm guessing third world ones...

HavingCrack wrote: »

Suggesting that you only mix with other foreigners isn't exactly a great idea for integrating into a country don't you think???

Not at all, but suggesting that he would be an outsider for not speakign Dutch is ridiculous. Nearly all Dutch are perfectly happy to speak English anyway. Soetimes too happy and it can get in the way of learnign the language.

MultiUmm · 29-08-2010 05:52PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Not at all, but suggesting that he would be an outsider for not speakign Dutch is ridiculous. Nearly all Dutch are perfectly happy to speak English anyway. Soetimes too happy and it can get in the way of learnign the language.

I remember when visiting my brother in Breda, he'd get so frustrated when he tried to practice his Dutch in shops or restaurants and they'd always reply in English.

Suppose it's being polite to someone who's not very good at the language but like you said it's a pain when learning it.

starlit · 29-08-2010 09:04PM

Its not something I am considering right now but if there hasn't been any improvements in the next few years in this country on all levels in particular the jobs market then thats enough to send me packing to another country!:( I'm just a homebird! I'd move to a city no bother just not willing to leave Ireland just yet. Feel my life is here.

Dudess · 30-08-2010 02:12AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

OP - give Europe a shout. Defintiely give you a perspective on how **** it is there...

Ah now Ikky - sure, there are European countries with better public services, but it's a bit much to say it's **** here.

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

I can't stand people who don't realise how lucky they are to live in one of the wealthiest, safest and most highly developed countries in the world. Sure, we've gone through a rough patch in the past few years but the quality of life in this country is still far greater than most other countries. Anyone who complains about Ireland being a sh1thole should go live in Baghdad or Mogadishu, or Pakistan/New Atlantis for a while. I can bet they'd be crying for this so-called "dump" in a matter of hours. :rolleyes:

+1. I don't usually go in for "There's always someone worse off than you, think of the starving children" type reasoning, but Jesus, a sense of perspective once in a while is no harm at all. Sure, Ireland has some poor public services - an abysmal health one - and an incompetent (democratically elected) government and there is nothing wrong with being critical of these things (and we can do so as much as we want) and I'm not saying Ireland is brilliant... but life is still so fupping sweet here (in general). I was just thinking today I have such a cushy, hassle-free life - an unimaginable life to some in many parts of the world - and I'm in a sh1tty, low-paying job.

Lanaier · 30-08-2010 03:12AM

Twilightning wrote: »

Now I'm only 19 but I recently got talking to my mother about the state of things in Ireland ........
Question is though is it worth it? I've never lived anywhere else but here but then again I'm getting fairly sick of this place myself and a change in scenery (and life) would be welcome. I don't have a lot going on for me here anyway.

Do it.
Living abroad for a few years seriously changes your perspective on Ireland.
I had a similar perspective to you when I left (in 2003, when everything was still dandy), but now I really appreciate whats great about Ireland.

Many of the best things about Ireland are hard to notice when you've never left.

magick · 30-08-2010 03:44AM

Lanaier wrote: »

Do it.
Living abroad for a few years seriously changes your perspective on Ireland.
I had a similar perspective to you when I left (in 2003, when everything was still dandy), but now I really appreciate whats great about Ireland.

Many of the best things about Ireland are hard to notice when you've never left.

Completely agree

maninasia · 30-08-2010 04:36AM

It's your home and home is where the heart is. Same for everybody all over the world. Ireland is a good spot in general but having no jobs AGAIN and a very poorly run country is very very bad.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-08-2010 07:54AM

Dudess wrote: »

Ah now Ikky - sure, there are European countries with better public services, but it's a bit much to say it's **** here.
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I know, I was just prarphasing the quote I was replying to. I hate when people think Ireland is perfect because it's better than third world countries.

TomBeckett · 30-08-2010 08:54AM

Sea Sharp wrote: »

I want to get the fcuk out of here myself. It's a big world out there and in the grand scheme of things Ireland is nothing but an irrelevant, sh1tty little island.

I agree 100% Ive made the move and dont regret a bit... Get out if you can
go see the world different cultures and you will see..... no matter where you go it will be definatly cheaper to live and the weather will be better!! unless you move to the north pole or somewhere:D

jackiebaron · 30-08-2010 11:38AM

Twilightning wrote: »

Now I'm only 19 but I recently got talking to my mother about the state of things in Ireland today and she genuinely believes it's pretty much gone to the dogs at this stage. Stuff like rising unemployment, graduates not getting any hint of a job once they leave university with their degrees and corrupt politicians. She said if she wasn't so old she would have up and left years ago so she's probably gonna stay here until the end. She said I should give leaving here a go in the future though. A couple we know are fairly qualified but they're thinking about moving to Canada.

Question is though is it worth it? I've never lived anywhere else but here but then again I'm getting fairly sick of this place myself and a change in scenery (and life) would be welcome. I don't have a lot going on for me here anyway.

Are you going to go to college?

Twilightning · 30-08-2010 11:41AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Are you going to go to college?

I hope to be able to go next year or the year after, as I don't want to leave this country without at least some sort of qualification or degree in something.

Noffles · 30-08-2010 01:25PM

If you live in the city then it's fine, if you live anywhere rural then it is like living in a third world country... anyone who disagrees doesn't live rural.....

MultiUmm · 31-08-2010 01:54AM

Noffles wrote: »

If you live in the city then it's fine, if you live anywhere rural then it is like living in a third world country... anyone who disagrees doesn't live rural.....

I'm fairly sure living in rural Pakistan or rural Zimbabwe would be considerably more difficult than living in rural Ireland, and I say this as someone with many relatives from the country. I'd be so bold to say they nearly all have a better quality of life than my family.

Although the social repression is **** alright. :pac:

maninasia · 31-08-2010 02:14AM

Twilightning wrote: »

I hope to be able to go next year or the year after, as I don't want to leave this country without at least some sort of qualification or degree in something.

You'd better get a qualificiation first, get the last of the free education.

CiaranC · 31-08-2010 02:21AM

Kj

maninasia wrote: »

You'd better get a qualificiation first, get the last of the free education.

Yeah Op, pick up your free degree,which would cost you tens of thousands elsewhere, then get out of this hellhole!

P.s. you are in for a bit of a shock if you actually do travel

Dudess · 31-08-2010 03:19AM

Noffles wrote: »

If you live in the city then it's fine, if you live anywhere rural then it is like living in a third world country... anyone who disagrees doesn't live rural.....

Ireland's rural dwellers live in shanty towns, have to walk miles for a container of filthy water, small children have to work in factories if they're lucky (prostitutes if they're not)? News to me...

jackiebaron · 31-08-2010 01:08PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

What would living in Holland be like without speaking Dutch??

I know pretty much 95% of them can speak fluent English but I'd imagine you'd still feel quite out of the loop without the native language for making friends and all.

I live in Holland. Have done for years and still don't speak the language. It's not that I'm lazy or crap at languages. I speak French and German. It's just that I never thought I was going to stay here so never saw the need to speak the language and kept putting it off. Before you know it, 5 years have gone by and you're still here.

Anyway I would advise that you definitely learn the language because it will open up lots more employment opportunities. If you only speak English and no Dutch, you can really only expect to find work in bars (and only Irish ones at that...all 12 of them) or on campsites. I'm a software engineer so I can find work quite easily but I have also been passed up for jobs because I couldn't speak Dutch.

jackiebaron · 31-08-2010 01:24PM

Twilightning wrote: »

I hope to be able to go next year or the year after, as I don't want to leave this country without at least some sort of qualification or degree in something.

Well I would certainly recommend going to college and getting a qualification or a degree of some description. Also in college you get four months summer holidays. Slave your arse off for three of those on the sites in London or picking lettuce or whatever, then go interrailing around Europe for a month, shagging Aussie backpacker chicks. Can't beat that.

Noffles · 01-09-2010 08:18AM

Dudess wrote: »

Ireland's rural dwellers live in shanty towns, have to walk miles for a container of filthy water, small children have to work in factories if they're lucky (prostitutes if they're not)? News to me...

No.. there are no towns... only groups of derelict estates, yes people have to walk as there are no public transport services AT ALL, there are no factories for the children to work, actually there is no work. There are no prostitutes as they would have no clients as no one has any money.

That's not news is it?

danbohan · 01-09-2010 08:19AM

Dudess wrote: »

Ireland's rural dwellers live in shanty towns, have to walk miles for a container of filthy water, small children have to work in factories if they're lucky (prostitutes if they're not)? News to me...

now now , their is no reason to bring cavan into the argument !

El Siglo · 01-09-2010 08:34AM

I'm sick of this place not because of the economy or politics etc... I'm sick of; RTÉ, newspapers, parochialism, nightclubs, pubs, Joe Duffy, Irish 'models', the Angelus, chicken rolls, rain, the rose of tralee, facebook, the people I went to school with, the bog, farming, national anthem at the end of a night, chippers, and knackers.

maninasia · 01-09-2010 08:43AM

I think you need some tropical sunshine and beach babes, that'll cure it!

jackiebaron · 01-09-2010 11:14AM

But seriously, folks, how bad is Ireland.

I left Ireland in 1990. I lived in New York for 7 years and now live in Europe. I came home to see me ma every Chrimbo and once in a while during summer....just to have a taste of my boyhood. With each passing year I saw Ireland improve and grow. I saw the girls becoming more and more rogue-ish, sophisticated and (of course) confident...I suppose the kind of confidence that money brings. I would also hear conversations down at the local pub at Christmas about so-and-so who is a carpenter yet brought his four children to Finland to see Santa. I heard people talking about watching the Dubai Grand Prix....not on the telly...actually GOING to Dubai.
I had it hard growing up....but not so hard that I'd ever have to steal. And when I saw all these cool young people who failed their Leaving Cert, who now were really coining it, I felt a little bit annoyed that I had to bog off to Manhattan and missed out on all the great summers in Ireland, all the lovely girls, all the concerts and festivals and weeks away in Bordaux or Rimini or Tenerife. I'm 40 now and still don't know how far Ireland rose (or fell). I used to marvel at lovely Polish women working in shops, and looking smashing, and their shaven-headed, bomber-jacket wearing Polish boyfriends working their balls off on the sites or fixing cars. This to me was amazing. I haven't seen anything of Ireland since these images. What's happened? What's it like? I've read about unfinished houses and negative equity. I've read about rising unemployment and property foreclosures but these are things that were always there in the 80's and early 90's. I haven't witnessed them in an up-close-and-personal way in Ireland.
I mean, how bad are things? Are they as dreadful as in 1983 when I asked a friend of mine "what job would you like to do when you leave school?"..to which his reply was "Any job". We were both 12.

Mister men · 01-09-2010 11:22AM

jackiebaron wrote: »

But seriously, folks, how bad is Ireland.

I left Ireland in 1990. I lived in New York for 7 years and now live in Europe. I came home to see me ma every Chrimbo and once in a while during summer....just to have a taste of my boyhood. With each passing year I saw Ireland improve and grow. I saw the girls becoming more and more rogue-ish, sophisticated and (of course) confident...I suppose the kind of confidence that money brings. I would also hear conversations down at the local pub at Christmas about so-and-so who is a carpenter yet brought his four children to Finland to see Santa. I heard people talking about watching the Dubai Grand Prix....not on the telly...actually GOING to Dubai.
I had it hard growing up....but not so hard that I'd ever have to steal. And when I saw all these cool young people who failed their Leaving Cert, who now were really coining it, I felt a little bit annoyed that I had to bog off to Manhattan and missed out on all the great summers in Ireland, all the lovely girls, all the concerts and festivals and weeks away in Bordaux or Rimini or Tenerife. I'm 40 now and still don't know how far Ireland rose (or fell). I used to marvel at lovely Polish women working in shops, and looking smashing, and their shaven-headed, bomber-jacket wearing Polish boyfriends working their balls off on the sites or fixing cars. This to me was amazing. I haven't seen anything of Ireland since these images. What's happened? What's it like? I've read about unfinished houses and negative equity. I've read about rising unemployment and property foreclosures but these are things that were always there in the 80's and early 90's. I haven't witnessed them in an up-close-and-personal way in Ireland.
I mean, how bad are things? Are they as dreadful as in 1983 when I asked a friend of mine "what job would you like to do when you leave school?"..to which his reply was "Any job". We were both 12.

Well according to government everything is great.We have turned a corner. Reality is the country is on the road to ruin because of said government and some dodgy bankers and builders.

Dudess · 01-09-2010 11:28AM

Noffles wrote: »

No.. there are no towns... only groups of derelict estates, yes people have to walk as there are no public transport services AT ALL, there are no factories for the children to work, actually there is no work. There are no prostitutes as they would have no clients as no one has any money.

That's not news is it?

Your comparison of rural Ireland to a third world country is very much news to me - watch City Of God for an insight into what a third world country actually is.

And there's a vast difference between having to walk due to no buses, and having to walk seven miles to and from a well to avail of contaminated water for drinking/cooking/washing.
I've no doubt really rural Ireland is sh1te - I've a lot of relatives in North Kerry/South Limerick and Jesus... god help them. But "third world country"? Not even close.

fakearms123 · 01-09-2010 12:22PM

I want to get out of Ireland and travel but straight out of college I was offered a good job that I couldnt turn down, plus my girlfriend is here in Ireland so I have a lot going for myself, hoping to travel next summer, maybe work abroad for the summer and come back and continue my education

secondary school teacher

darragh16 · 01-09-2010 12:34PM

Ireland 2007-2010 is nothing compared to Ireland 1980's...

Ride out the storm, the amount of people leaving will mean that when it does get better there will be employment. All you hear is people headin to Oz etc. Australia looks like a great option, but they don't want people headin there. They're working reduced hours instead of full scale unemployment. Their govt. are giving Visa's to those in the professions that they specifically need in the country. It sounds like a great option, but its not...

I was pretty much guaranteed not to find a job when I was due to finish college this year, which is why Ive decided to stay back for another two years. Whats the point of moving to a country with lower wages and possibly very few opportunities? If people stop complaining and playing the blame game maybe we can finally get this Country back on its feet and not have to leave....

ScumLord · 01-09-2010 12:51PM

Noffles wrote: »

If you live in the city then it's fine, if you live anywhere rural then it is like living in a third world country... anyone who disagrees doesn't live rural.....

I live rural, there's maybe 1000 people in the parish and I can tell you your talking out of your hole. Our town has a supermarket is no more than 10 minutes away from another supermarket in another town and 30minutes from a few Tescos. The countryside has been forgotten about by the government our roads, sewerage and IT systems are not up to standard but they're minor quibble really. We have everything we need and more. It's far from a 3rd world country.

I've called people that want to leave Ireland rats fleeing a sinking ship but you really do need to travel a bit and see the state of other countries, even the supposed good ones, nice places to visit but you probably wouldn't want to live there.

Getting Out of Ireland as Fast as You Can

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