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The Double Dip

  • 29-08-2010 03:18AM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭


    http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/26-08-2010/114761-economic_armageddon-0
    The worst nightmare forecast by economic specialists over the previous years has come true: new research by economic gurus in the United States of America has revealed a bleak scenario: the United States’ economy is in a state of depression. Yes, it is the Double Dip, a roller-coaster ride to economic catastrophe and it has arrived. To come: massive debt default, the failure of entire nations and widespread starvation in the western world.

    The research referring to the works of a number of leading economists (David Rosenberg, Fred Harrison, Arthur Laffer, Nobel Prizewinner Paul Krugman, Robin Griffiths) is revealed in the article by US based analyst and writer, Terrence Aym*. And it makes terrifying reading.

    While these leading economists represent different views from opposite ends of the political spectrums both in the USA and the UK, on one thing they agree: the decade ahead is going to get worse.

    David Rosenberg states categorically that the United States’ economy has entered another Great Depression, the beginning of the double dip much referred to in recent years, following the shocking revelation in July that the US real estate market has collapsed 27% compared with July 2009.
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    British economist Fred Harrison explains that property speculation around the globe was responsible for the boom and bust waves ripping through the world economy and claims that tax reforms could have avoided the crisis. What he predicts now is a decade-long depression fuelled by “a massive contraction in demand” resulting in a 45 trillion-dollar debt default and unemployment rates of 25% in the USA and UK. Worse still, Harrison predicts the failure of entire nations and “something unseen for hundreds of years could appear again: wholesale starvation of peoples in some Western countries”.

    Harrison, we remember, was dubbed by Spectator Business in 2008 “the canary in the housing mine”… “Nostradamus could scarcely have been more accurate”.

    According to the research in Terrence Aym’s article, US economists Arthur Laffer and Nobel Prizewinner Paul Krugman agree with Harrison and foresee higher unemployment, more foreclosures, more failed businesses, a worsening credit crisis and housing slump in the USA.

    Laffer, advisor to President Reagan, a member of the US Economic Policy Advisory Board, predicts a “very big fall” for the US economy in early 2011, translated into falling corporate profits and a probable collapse of the Stock Market as massive tax hikes begin to bite when existing legislation runs out.

    Krugman agrees: a Second Great Depression is underway now and tomorrow, there will be tens of millions of people caught in long-term endemic unemployment in the USA. Robin Griffiths, strategist at Cazenove Capital, concurs: “The world has entered significant financial depression” while claiming ominously “a double dip is inevitable and imminent”, as he draws parallels with the US M3 money supply today and between 1929/1933.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the double dip has arrived.

    *Top economists : The second Great depression has arrived

    http://www.helium.com/items/1933168-us-in-economic-great-depression


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Is this about teabagging?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Is this about teabagging?

    Got me:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 425 ✭✭TheRiddler


    When I saw the title "The Double Dip" my heart quicken and I immediately thought that I would be learning about an extreme sexual position that I could try with girls I know down at the local drinking establishment. But upon reading the first post I am highly disappointed and feel cheated. You owe me an extreme sexual position.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    maybe a war will fix it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    It all sounds so dramatic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    It was terrible if the swizzle stick was broken - it's the best of a double dip.
    They should have just brought out a bag of swizzle sticks tbh, that would have been ace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    The West needs to go communist or temporarily seize control of everybody's wealth.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Sea Sharp wrote: »
    The West needs to go communist or temporarily seize control of everybody's wealth.

    I'm not sure that Connaught & Munster have the manpower to do that. The will, maybe, but just not enough bodies to make it happen.

    I like your thinking though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Mmmm... acid.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    Double Dip? Time to start up the printing presses so. Call it quantatative easing, that pesky public will never cop it.

    A double dip in property isn't all that surprising. And it will arrive on our shores by the end of the year. Property still has a good bit to fall- rental yields are currently running about 3% so investors have legged it or want to get out desperately. Unemployment is soon to be at 15% which will compound the matter.
    Most houses outside Dublin are still over valued by 35-50%. Asking prices in Dublin are closer to the true market value but they still have a bit to fall, though not as much. When you see 3 bed semi-Ds in the likes of Cavan going for 75-85k then it becomes worthwhile for investors to re-enter the market and the bottom will be near. As it stands 3 beds in Cavan town are mainly asking 110-130k so we've a bit of a way to go there yet.

    Sure glad I never bought that 'starter home' shoe box apartment :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Mmmm... acid.

    Flashback?


  • Posts: 31,896 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The banks are desperate to kickstart a bit of hyper inflation to rob savers of their savings. :eek:
    Only problem is the system is so screwed, they can't, the chinese won't let them!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    salonfire wrote: »

    :rolleyes:Please get with it, aww yeah nothing to see here move along move along.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Hurry up will you Iran, North Korea, whoever, and launch those nukes so we can stop worrying about the economy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Well once Israel attacks Iran this winter you will see Iran block all oil shipments in the gulf, you aint seen nothing yet folks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,350 ✭✭✭Lust4Life


    This is shocking news! (Can you hear the sarcasm?)
    It doesn't take a top economist to know that Government bailouts would never resolve the problem that has spun so far out of control.

    If People and Businesses would simply learn to live within their means and stop pretending they can afford crazy expenses, we would all be in a better place today.

    Okay, I'll jump off my soap box now and get back in the kitchen and cook you all up a nice big pie. :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Lust4Life wrote: »
    Okay, I'll jump off my soap box now and get back in the kitchen and cook you all up a nice big pie. :p

    Blueberry Pie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,350 ✭✭✭Lust4Life


    Sure! I'll have to run to the market though....


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Take your time ill have it for desert this evening:)


  • Posts: 31,896 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lust4Life wrote: »
    This is shocking news! (Can you hear the sarcasm?)
    It doesn't take a top economist to know that Government bailouts would never resolve the problem that has spun so far out of control.

    If People and Businesses would simply learn to live within their means and stop pretending they can afford crazy expenses, we would all be in a better place today.

    Okay, I'll jump off my soap box now and get back in the kitchen and cook you all up a nice big pie. :p

    When the supply of energy (oil) stop growing, then there is only one thing an economy can do and that is to stop growing! A financial model based on indefinite growth is doomed to fail, the next couple of years will be very "interesting".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,350 ✭✭✭Lust4Life


    Agreed, Dolanbaker.

    My point is, if a small business plans poorly, spends poorly and does not grow, it fails and the business closes. The owner learns from their mistakes and likely tries again using new strategies and is successful.

    In America, if a HUGE business / Industry plans poorly and shows signs of great struggle, they get a huge government bailout or loan and simply continue doing business as usual.


    How can the economy evolve and move forward when these businesses keep getting held afloat on false economic standings?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Lust4Life wrote: »
    Agreed, Dolanbaker.

    My point is, if a small business plans poorly, spends poorly and does not grow, it fails and the business closes. The owner learns from their mistakes and likely tries again using new strategies and is successful.

    In America, if a HUGE business / Industry plans poorly and shows signs of great struggle, they get a huge government bailout or loan and simply continue doing business as usual.


    How can the economy evolve and move forward when these businesses keep getting held afloat on false economic standings?

    Or an Irish bank...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    I thought this thread would be about threesomes or buying different editions of the same DVD......... Disappointed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭Mister men


    Well once Israel attacks Iran this winter you will see Iran block all oil shipments in the gulf, you aint seen nothing yet folks.
    Source or do you control the Isreali army?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Here's a happier story linked to on that page.
    http://www.funreports.com/fun/07-12-2004/1145-0
    Edit: Some pics on that site may be NSFW (doll boobies, but they look real from a distance).


    They also have hot Russian chicks.
    http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/women-4384/2/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    When the supply of energy (oil) stop growing, then there is only one thing an economy can do and that is to stop growing! A financial model based on indefinite growth is doomed to fail, the next couple of years will be very "interesting".

    "Collapse"
    Well worth watching.

    When this comes to pass it'll put our current economic woes to shame.
    We're already seeing some of the stuff Ruppert's predicted in the past few months...crop shortages this year due to the russian wildfires is going to push up prices for wheat, pakistan/chinese flooding will affect the rice crop, the price of cocoa beans was pushed to a 25 yr high last monthj by futures commodity traders, moves to buy the world's biggest potash producing mines (for fertiliser)...we're already in the "rocky plateua" of fluctuating oil prices...
    We effectively eat oil, and that's particularly true in the west...self sufficiency and the ability to produce food without using oil or it's by-products will be the key to survival for many...and when it comes to people like us in rich developed nations, molly coddled over generations of cheap energy, we're pretty much f*cked as regards self sufficiency.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    Wertz wrote: »
    "Collapse"
    Well worth watching.

    When this comes to pass it'll put our current economic woes to shame.
    We're already seeing some of the stuff Ruppert's predicted in the past few months...crop shortages this year due to the russian wildfires is going to push up prices for wheat, pakistan/chinese flooding will affect the rice crop, the price of cocoa beans was pushed to a 25 yr high last monthj by futures commodity traders, moves to buy the world's biggest potash producing mines (for fertiliser)...we're already in the "rocky plateua" of fluctuating oil prices...
    We effectively eat oil, and that's particularly true in the west...self sufficiency and the ability to produce food without using oil or it's by-products will be the key to survival for many...and when it comes to people like us in rich developed nations, molly coddled over generations of cheap energy, we're pretty much f*cked as regards self sufficiency.

    The one thing I didn't like about 'Collapse' was that he doesn't give a proper explanation as to why he thinks people lack the ability to innovate out of a sticky situation.

    The cost of oil reflects the supply, this means that we won't see a sudden crash whereby one day the supply gets cut off in a dramatic manner. What will happen is that the cost will continue to go up and people will use oil more sparingly as a reflection of this cost. The world economy will inevitably hit (if it hasn't already) a peak in oil consumption. What will then happen is that we will be weaned off oil over a period of decades, not days as some scare mongerers seem to think.

    If petrol becomes too expensive then more people will use public transport.
    If central heating becomes too expensive then everyone will only use it for hot water and really cold days. If plastic becomes too expensive then paper will become more viable.


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