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  • #32
    philstar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭philstar


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Somebody said they saved and moved away while on the Dole which I'd say means the Dole is too high!

    he/she might have been living at home with mammy & daddy > no expences


  • #33
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Anybody that paid tax for 2+ years shouldn't be ashamed, You've covered your dole by paying your taxes while you worked. Somebody said they saved and moved away while on the Dole which I'd say means the Dole is too high!

    Isn't that a good thing as he saved the taxpayer x amount by leaving?


  • #34
    Wompa1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,281 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Isn't that a good thing as he saved the taxpayer x amount by leaving?

    That's true. Point taken!


  • #35
    lila44
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭lila44


    I'm not on the dole, but I am a student working part-time. On my basic hours, I would actually be better off of I was on the dole! (I am paid monthly)

    However, that does not make me want to go on the dole, I would go crazy with nothing to do everyday!!


  • #36
    BluesBerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭BluesBerry


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Anybody that paid tax for 2+ years shouldn't be ashamed, You've covered your dole by paying your taxes while you worked. Somebody said they saved and moved away while on the Dole which I'd say means the Dole is too high!


    Im getting tired of people thinking and saying the dole is too high
    This country is very expensive to live in with the government looking for ways to tax at us every turn its becoming impossible to live in this country

    Personally Im not on the dole myself but I know people that are and the dole barely covers their living expenses and I say fair play to the person that saved it up and made a better life for themselves


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  • #37
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    BluesBerry wrote: »
    Im getting tired of people thinking and saying the dole is too high
    This country is very expensive to live in with the government looking for ways to tax at us every turn its becoming impossible to live in this country

    Personally Im not on the dole myself but I know people that are and the dole barely covers their living expenses and I say fair play to the person that saved it up and made a better life for themselves

    The problem with SW payments is that they are not means tested to determine the level of payment they should get. So for some, they are not enough & for others, they are too much.


  • #38
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    gerrycollins wrote: »
    both the wife and I both on the dole after we were made redundant. ive been working without a break for 14 years and my wife for 11 years and I cant tell you the shame and embarrasment we feel picking up our money in the post office.

    Im not on the dole, i was unemployed for 8 months in 2008, but i technically was collection my "stamps"

    I know exactly how you and your wife feel. I was fortunate enough that i had alot of unpaid work to do at home until i could get a job. It has taken me nearly a year after getting fulltime work to get my finances back to a place that im comfortable with.

    3 or 4 years ago being on the dole que might make you lokk a little different when jobs were falling off trees, but when i went into the department and seen guys i knew that worked like animals having to sign on, it made me a little less embarressed. I know we shouldnt feel like that, but regardless the feeling will be there none the less, i dont want anything for nothing.

    Chin up anyhow.. you will get back on your feet again


  • #39
    gerrycollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    philstar wrote: »
    Why feel shame and embarrassment its your money your entitled to it....and it you were on the breadline you'd be breaking down PO door to get it.

    oh i know but for so long i was independant and had no worries and worked my money well. I have pensions, savings, a good house etc.

    its the loss of independance really, TBH i'd sweep the streets for my dole if I was asked to at least I feel like im earning it.

    from my work I was always dealing with the welfare for employees so I'm happy to know I know the system and my entitlements etc plus i can see the abuses some people are committing.

    good news side tho had two positive interviews last week and another next week so fingers crossed hopefully one will come good


  • #40
    gerrycollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Anybody that paid tax for 2+ years shouldn't be ashamed, You've covered your dole by paying your taxes while you worked. Somebody said they saved and moved away while on the Dole which I'd say means the Dole is too high!

    well we dont know their exact situation.

    in my position i have contacted all my creditors mortage etc and have worked out a plan to reduce my weekly/monthly repayments etc in fact they were all very sympathetic and understanding and so far Ive been able to keep to those repayments.

    however there is no room for mistake, i cant/dont drink or smoke,imagine if i did, neither does my wife, we havent gone to the cinema/night out the most we do for entertainment nowadays is go for a walk with the kids of to the park. ice cream and sweets for the kids are a no no and while we are clever with ourselves and money the reality is that you have to spend within your means but still pay your way. many are not doin that


  • #41
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    BluesBerry wrote: »
    Im getting tired of people thinking and saying the dole is too high

    But surely if a small minority of people would prefer to be on the dole then working for the minimum wage, then surely the fact that these people exist is a clear indication that the dole is too high


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  • #42
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    I'm working part time, getting more for it than I would on the dole. I consider myself lucky.


  • #43
    -Trek-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭-Trek-


    Greyfox wrote: »
    But surely if a small minority of people would prefer to be on the dole then working for the minimum wage, then surely the fact that these people exist is a clear indication that the dole is too high

    Or maybe minimum wage is too low ;)

    I'm going straight to hell when the economists read this :D


  • #44
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Trekmad wrote: »
    Or maybe minimum wage is too low ;)

    I'm going straight to hell when the economists read this :D

    The minimum wage is the second-highest in Europe, only below Luxembourg :rolleyes:


  • #45
    Miss Ogyne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Miss Ogyne


    Was on it for two years (after working full time for 8 years) but doing a Fas course now, I finish in about a month and to be honest have no desire to go back to signing on but was contacted this week about a possible job so hopefully I'll hear something solid about that next week. The pay will be pretty good but to be honest I'd be happy to work for just enough to pay my bills if it meant not having to go back to the total mind numbing boredom that comes with signing on


  • #46
    -Trek-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭-Trek-


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    The minimum wage is the second-highest in Europe, only below Luxembourg :rolleyes:

    Ya, I know, was taking the p!ss, sorry :)


  • #47
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    quick question i recently became unemployed
    i am due to collect my first payment monday
    then it say's i collect every wednesday after that
    will i get paid monday and wednesday?


  • #48
    Chaotic_Forces
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    gerrycollins wrote: »
    both the wife and I both on the dole after we were made redundant. ive been working without a break for 14 years and my wife for 11 years and I cant tell you the shame and embarrasment we feel picking up our money in the post office.

    We have 3 kids under 5 and obviously get the childrens allowance too.

    no matter how much i tell myself im entitled to the dole for a few weeks,till i get re-employed,considering the years of tax etc that i have paid I still feel a sense of shame. Its not easy and while some of the bashers might target the real dole scammers in their posts, those who never worked a day im their life, its hard to differenciate that the person in the que beside you is a dole scrounger or basher when you hand over your card for your money

    its not easy and when you think that over 50% of the current dole que only arrived on the scene in the last 5 years or so, people need to take care in what they say in general. its depressing enough to be locked in your own house daily just so you can pay the bills and keep the wolves from the door while searching and applying for jobs and know there are now 100's for every position and not wasting a single cent its a melting pot out there and the real hardship from it is yet to come.

    Get some thicker skin man. Seriously, you and your wife worked for years. Don't let others make you feel bad. There's a difference between someone that wants a job and someone that's on the dole because it's easier than working 30/40 hours a week for 300 euro.

    And most importantly you have children. If you had to go on the streets begging for food for them you know you would. Your kids are going to come first, regardless what anyone says. So next time you feel a bit ashamed or something, just remember you've got kids to look after; not going on drinking cans of dutch gold while living at home with mammy and daddy.
    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    quick question i recently became unemployed
    i am due to collect my first payment monday
    then it say's i collect every wednesday after that
    will i get paid monday and wednesday?

    If I remember right, that's the first payment (the Monday one). It's going a few days back. Sometimes worth 10/11 days (or even more). Then you get paid weekly on Wednesday. Basically you get paid for six days a week (Sunday not included) and it's a back week. So next Wednesday is the money for days. So the money on Monday can be all the money you're "owed" from when you signed up first (or something like that, might only be when the claim went through).
    Then on Wednesday you get paid weekly.

    Basically you go in Monday, get your money, go in every Wednesday from then on and get it. Oh, it should say in the post office's computer anyway so you can ask there. I'd say ask the dole but spending upwards of an hour wanting to get an answer to a simple question isn't exactly fun...
    One more thing, your dole payment is there for a few days, I get paid on Wednesday and can collect it from Wednesday till Monday; though I'd get it by saturday at the latest. If you do miss it, just go down to the dole and talk to them; they'll send it back to the post office within two weeks and you can get it then.


  • #49
    flag123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭flag123


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I was on for two months and I felt embarrassed too, especially when I was signing on. Sure, you're entitled to it but if you see someone in the window next to your posting a letter and you're getting handed free money you feel like a bit of a sh1t

    I'm sorry but that's the way things go. I'm not blaming you or trying to get a dig in here but in general over the last 15 years or so people have built an image of being on the dole as shameful and anyone on it to be shunned upon. Especially during the years of extravagant economic growth.

    What about the 80's when the country was literally f*cked? 60% tax rates. up to 18% unemployment. I don't think anyone was ashamed to collect their dole seeing that it was the norm for a lot. And by the looks of things, could be headed back that way. So I believe people need to swallow their pride and get their dole like the many of the Irish did in the past.


  • #50
    lila44
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭lila44


    flag123 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but that's the way things go. I'm not blaming you or trying to get a dig in here but in general over the last 15 years or so people have built an image of being on the dole as shameful and anyone on it to be shunned upon. Especially during the years of extravagant economic growth.

    What about the 80's when the country was literally f*cked? 60% tax rates. up to 18% unemployment. I don't think anyone was ashamed to collect their dole seeing that it was the norm for a lot. And by the looks of things, could be headed back that way. So I believe people need to swallow their pride and get their dole like the many of the Irish did in the past.

    amen sister


  • #51
    BOHtox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    I sometimes have to skip the dole queue so I'm not late for work!! tough times


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