What's your opinion on how James Toney will do in UFC ?

HellsAngel · 25-08-2010 07:54PM #1

He's fighting in the UFC against former UFC champion Randy Coutoure. So boxing fans, is James Toney gonna prove Boxing can out fight Mixed Martial Arts ?

25-08-2010 09:19PM

Not in a cage he won't. If Couture is stupid enough to keep it standing he has the fight won. But if Couture can take Toney down then the momentum would hugely be in favour of Couture. The only positive for Toney is that Couture's takedowns have been getting slower in his last few matches and Toney may catch him with an uppercut while he's shooting for one. It's a sideshow. This fight doesn't represent anything other than a horrible mismatch. I think Boxing and MMA should be viewed as what they are. Two totally seperate sports. It's only hardcore fanboys that make comparisons between the two.

digme · 25-08-2010 09:59PM

Tooney hasn't a hope.Boxer v grappler... ridiculous.

walshb · 25-08-2010 10:08PM

digme wrote: »

Tooney hasn't a hope.Boxer v grappler... ridiculous.

No offence, but what you are saying seems ridiculous, and very vague.

If it's a grappling match I could understand, but it's a fight, which can
mean nearly any method they care to use. In order for the grappler to gain advanatge, he must first get close enough to begin to grapple, now do you think a boxer will simply allow this without any defence or opposition?

Big Ears · 26-08-2010 01:34AM

Toney hasn't a chance in hell once he's off his feet and I suspect Couture won't want to leaving Toney standing for too long either as that's the only danger he possesses.

I can't imagine Toney's takedown defence being great either so basically his best(only) defence will be his offence. He's got to knock Couture out with a shot as he comes in to take him down and that could be very difficult.
IMO he's got a less than 1% chance of winning this fight.

With that said if Couture is stupid enough to do what Tim Sylvia did(he tried to stand up and fight with Ray Mercer) then Toney possibly becomes the favourite.
I seriously doubt Randy Couture is that stupid however.

joepenguin · 26-08-2010 02:01AM

Imagine if Chuck Lidell challenged Vitali Klitschko under the marquess of queensberry rules. Coutures best days may be behind him but he should deal with Toney with ease.
Its a fight and anything can happen but the only way Toney can win is with excellent coaching, sticking to a game plan and Couture making a huge mistake.
Dana white couldnt have picked a better boxer to put in the ring. He really couldnt.

unknown13 · 26-08-2010 02:36AM

Toney is going up against Couture, who is one of the smartest fighters in the World in MMA. Couture knows every little trick, escape and move to make Toney look very amatuerish. It is going to happen. I also think Randy is going to use a lot of low kicks on Toney and if he uses a lot of them early against Toney, Toney could easily be stopped by the third because they are MMA's equivalent of the body shot. Randy wins this imo by UD (30-27 on all 3 cards)

cowzerp · 26-08-2010 12:21PM

digme wrote: »

Toney hasn't a hope.Boxer v grappler... ridiculous.

Not accurate or true, Randy is not just a grappler, he is a trained Mixed martial artist who uses his Grappling as his main tool, if he had nothing but wrestling it would be a fair comparison but then he would not be skilled at Ground and Pound, Submissions and his stand up would be poor, at the moment he knows enough Boxing to cope in the stand up range, he's training Boxing many years so a fair comparison would be if Toney had the same time learning Wrestling.

Pure Boxing V Pure Wrestling is still a talking point but in reality the wrestler who could challenge in this type of match will need to be tough and able to take punches and not your normal every day wrestler, like most of the MMA wrestlers, not every wrestler would have the balls or the chin to do that. then even after saying that it would really depend on the day, or if 1 actually trained to fight the other, if not then its just, throw them in and see what happens.

nacho libre · 26-08-2010 05:36PM

If Couture takes Toney down...it'll be over quickly. I doubt Couture will be foolish enough to try and prove he can trade with a boxer, so the only outcome i see is a quick takedown by Couture, resulting in a win for him early in the first round

iii Stevo iii · 26-08-2010 08:37PM

Toney when first putting on UFC Gloves:

"when I first put these on I said 'pop what these for' ,I said, 'are they for me to hit the speed bag or the heavy bag?'
he said no son you fight in them ........ i said 'bull****, are u kiddin me?'
I said "you better get the bail money ready, cos whoever i hit ...... aint gonna be nothin left."

Legend.

unknown13 · 27-08-2010 02:40AM

iii Stevo iii wrote: »

Toney when first putting on UFC Gloves:

"when I first put these on I said 'pop what these for' ,I said, 'are they for me to hit the speed bag or the heavy bag?'
he said no son you fight in them ........ i said 'bull****, are u kiddin me?'
I said "you better get the bail money ready, cos whoever i hit ...... aint gonna be nothin left."

Legend.

Dickhead if you ask me. All he did for the Countdown show was talk smack. Couture has said that he is not going to finish him but instead give him a 15 minute beatdown to shut all the boxers who talk smack about MMA up. I hope we see that.

digme · 27-08-2010 03:01AM

walshb wrote: »

No offence, but what you are saying seems ridiculous, and very vague.

If it's a grappling match I could understand, but it's a fight, which can
mean nearly any method they care to use. In order for the grappler to gain advanatge, he must first get close enough to begin to grapple, now do you think a boxer will simply allow this without any defence or opposition?

i'll give tooney 30 seconds and he's on his back like a tortoise

unknown13 · 27-08-2010 03:04AM

digme wrote: »

i'll give tooney 30 seconds and he's on his back like a tortoise

Since when does Randy take people down that early in a fight

TechnoPool · 27-08-2010 11:49AM

unknown13 wrote: »

Since when does Randy take people down that early in a fight

it will be up against the cage for a bit before a takedown but i dont expect it to stay standing too long, all in all a ****e fight

walshb · 27-08-2010 12:39PM

digme wrote: »

i'll give tooney 30 seconds and he's on his back like a tortoise

Well, at least now you are giving a little insight into why Toney gets whupped, as opposed to your original, "Tooney hasn't a hope.Boxer v grappler... ridiculous."

This may well happen, and plenty of other scenarios may well happen.

I think some are being far too confident of the outcome here, when they really know **** all about Toney's conditioning, skills, new skills etc etc.

This is pretty much an "anything goes" fight, and this alone should logically lead folks to believe that anything can happen.

Too many permutations in this for me to confidently pick a winner.

joepenguin · 27-08-2010 05:14PM

unknown13 wrote: »

Dickhead if you ask me. All he did for the Countdown show was talk smack. Couture has said that he is not going to finish him but instead give him a 15 minute beatdown to shut all the boxers who talk smack about MMA up. I hope we see that.

As much of a mismatch as it is I dont think he should be that cocky. Toney might be shot but he isnt beyond landing one perfect punch if presented with the oppurtunity.
No boxer in his prime is ever gonna take part in an mma fight to save the name of boxing. Fss some boxers wont even participate in boxing matches to save the name of boxing!!!

keane=cock · 27-08-2010 07:52PM

is this on tele?

cowzerp · 27-08-2010 09:00PM

keane=cock wrote: »

is this on tele?

ESPN at 3 am sunday morning

Jaysoose · 27-08-2010 09:10PM

Cotoure TKO1... no other result makes sense.

walshb · 27-08-2010 09:19PM

Jaysoose wrote: »

Cotoure TKO1... no other result makes sense.

Personally I think some of these posts aren't making sense.

How about his result: Toney wins KO 1 from a perfectly timed
heavy head punch? Could this make sense?

Look fellas, it's a fight, and in a fight, anything can pan out when
you have two skilled combatants.

Jaysoose · 28-08-2010 09:07AM

walshb wrote: »

Personally I think some of these posts aren't making sense.

How about his result: Toney wins KO 1 from a perfectly timed
heavy head punch? Could this make sense?

Look fellas, it's a fight, and in a fight, anything can pan out when
you have two skilled combatants.

There is no way toney will be able to compete In this fight as hd will get taken down with ease. Fair play to him for taking on a high level fighter as his debut, but he will be out of his depth on so many levels. Cotoure will clinch and put him against the cage and from that point on toney won't have the first clue what to do.

whaaames · 28-08-2010 12:10PM

Randy is an old man now, an absolute legend who has my total admiration and respect but is the last 18 months he has shown he has slowed and is capable of being whipped, only the UFC have matched him sensibly and not let that happen....

James Toney is another legend but its a different ball game altogether, he's going into unknown territory. He says he's training hand and wants this but all he keeps saying is that he's gonna knock Randy out...if that's what he's relying on then he'll lose...
Randy won't let the fight stay standign, he'd be mad.
I'd say they'll suss each other out for a few minutes, but once Randy has a chance to take Toney down he will, and that's where the fight will be won...

Obviously if Jamesn catches Randy that's gonna be it but Randy has too much experience to stand there trading with him...

I'd imagine randy will win by submission but it won't prove anything at all...

Jaysoose · 28-08-2010 12:51PM

whaaames wrote: »

Randy is an old man now, an absolute legend who has my total admiration and respect but is the last 18 months he has shown he has slowed and is capable of being whipped, only the UFC have matched him sensibly and not let that happen....

James Toney is another legend but its a different ball game altogether, he's going into unknown territory. He says he's training hand and wants this but all he keeps saying is that he's gonna knock Randy out...if that's what he's relying on then he'll lose...
Randy won't let the fight stay standign, he'd be mad.
I'd say they'll suss each other out for a few minutes, but once Randy has a chance to take Toney down he will, and that's where the fight will be won...

Obviously if Jamesn catches Randy that's gonna be it but Randy has too much experience to stand there trading with him...

I'd imagine randy will win by submission but it won't prove anything at all...

Brandon Vera, Big Nog, Brock lesnar is being matched sensibly? Hmmmm kay.

siochain · 28-08-2010 04:33PM

due to randy's experience and around skills he would be clear favorite. But with MMA you never know, one well connect punch with 4 ounce gloves and its all over.

Plenty of styles of martial arts have made a successful crossover to mma I don’t see why not in time we start to see boxers cross training and doing well.

whaaames · 28-08-2010 05:25PM

Jaysoose wrote: »

Brandon Vera, Big Nog, Brock lesnar is being matched sensibly? Hmmmm kay.

I was talking about Mark Coleman, a shot Nogueira and yes even Vera, even Randy being an old man he was always gonna be too much for Brandon...

And i did say 18 months so thats after Lesner which was a title defense...

BoxingIrel.com · 28-08-2010 06:06PM

I hope Toney brings a knife into the cage with him and stabs Randy in the heart to solve once and for all that boxing is superior to MMA! :cool:

digme · 28-08-2010 06:33PM

toney weigh-in and checked in at a ridiculous 237 pounds :rolleyes:

BoxingIrel.com · 28-08-2010 07:03PM

digme wrote: »

toney weigh-in and checked in at a ridiculous 237 pounds :rolleyes:

70 pounds or 5 stone in excess of what he was at his peak.

Forget Boxing v. MMA, the only debate that settled was that the UFC is a circus!

MrStuffins · 28-08-2010 07:07PM

walshb wrote: »

Look fellas, it's a fight, and in a fight, anything can pan out when
you have two skilled combatants.

This is true.

But in this fight there is only one skilled combatant.

Toney is a great Boxer, but he is not a skilled Mixed Martial Artist.

MrStuffins · 28-08-2010 07:09PM

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

Forget Boxing v. MMA, the only debate that settled was that the UFC is a circus!

:rolleyes:

Spoken with true ignorance!

digme · 28-08-2010 07:23PM

this is not boxing versus mma , this is an mma fight.
Toney is a lump and he won't be winning anything tonight.

What's your opinion on how James Toney will do in UFC ?

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