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  • #32
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    2 years ago, I posted a thread in the soccer forum regarding an e-mail sent from a football fan website. Basically, they were asking people if they thought that bringing back terraces to English football stadiums would be a good idea, to improve the athmosphere at matches.

    It was a reasonable question to ask, but the email was sent on the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster. For those who don't remember it - a crowd crush at Sheffield Wednesday's game against Liverpool at Hillsborough in 1989, resulted in the worst stadium disaster in the UK, with 96 people killed.

    It also resulted in all clubs being forced to make their stadiums all-seaters to help prevent crushes like this again.

    My post was about the insensitivity of the timing of the email - and as it was from a footballing fan website, I couldn't understand how they had not realised that it was the sent on the same day as the anniversary of the disaster.

    The same day, a reporter from The Sun e-mailed me & asked if he could talk to me about the post. I replied saying that I wouldn't give the time of day to a tabloid rag like his. However, as my name obviously came up in the reply details, he ignored my request & published the article with "quotes" from me that he had taken off Boards. He also printed my full name.

    The headline was something like "Liverpool Fans Disgusted at Return of Stadium Terraces".

    The thing that really pissed me off wasn't that he used my full name without permission, or that his article was almost a word for word copy & paste of my post, nor was it that the headline suggested that terraces were to return to stadiums when they weren't - it was that he said I was a Liverpool fan, when I've been a Man United fan for over 25 years.


  • #33
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    last name ever. first name greatest wrote: »

    Would you be bothered if you saw your post appearing in the media?

    I've heard thinly veiled rehashes of some of my posts on boards on the radio...couldn't prove anything so didn't/wouldn't make anyhting of it.

    I hate to think of someone especially at certain newspapers making money off the back of an anonymous internet posting, by plagiarising it, re-wording it and claiming it as their own.

    When you publish to boards, it's board's property...re-publishing is theft in effect, when no poermission is granted for usage.
    The least any decent media outlet could do is give a reference to the source, if not some payment for all that easily searchable material this site provides...


  • #34
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's an interesting one alright. On the one hand we often link to news sources in posts and don't ask their permission. And I'm sure they have some copyright clause attached to their stuff. So if one of them links or republishes one of our comments should we go batshít? If there is a newspaper comparison in this I suppose it could go like this; Boards is the newspaper and publisher, the users are the journos. If someone nicks copyright, the newspaper/Boards could go after them, but it probably falls to the journo/user? Especially on Boards as they don't invite nor employ the users, so any control of content is down to the mods(also not employed, but invited) and is retroactive.

    I do reckon the next ten years on the web and what constitutes copyright will be more important, as more and more "Old" money comes on board looking to recoup money in the old fashioned way. And they will try. In a lot of ways the wild west days of the web are passing fast. The old notion of a free for all is also passing fast. It'll pass more and more as the ext generation of tech comes on stream, where you will be more identifiable online. The media, like all media before it is maturing. Every new frontier thinks its somehow different,but they all follow very similar patterns. The pioneers have already taken the arrows, the settlers are taking the land and next they'll start fighting over it. Copyright will be one aspect of that battle I reckon.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #35
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Oh - just remembered on the Sopladine story, Ian Dempsey was reading out quotes from Boards posters the other week when he ran the story, though in fairness, he did say that he got them from here.


  • #36
    King Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭King Felix


    My posts are important enough to be sent off to ministers, no less. :cool:


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  • #37
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    I have been PM'd on several occasions asking would I elaborate further on remarks I made here either on or off the record. I replied once because it was something i felt strongly about it.

    But, to be fair, when a journalist starts trolling on here for remarks its pathetic and shows how weak journalism and investigative reporting is in this country. Sitting on their holes, getting their stories from the internet.


  • #38
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    SeaFields wrote: »
    I have been PM'd on several occasions asking would I elaborate further on remarks I made here either on or off the record. I replied once because it was something i felt strongly about it.

    But, to be fair, when a journalist starts trolling on here for remarks its pathetic and shows how weak journalism and investigative reporting is in this country. Sitting on their holes, getting their stories from the internet.


    I'm writing an article about lazy journalism - can I quote you on that?


  • #39
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    I'm writing an article about lazy journalism - can I quote you on that?

    Go right ahead sir you lazy bastard....:D


  • #40
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I wouldn't nescessarilly say that quoting people from here is lazy journalism.. not unless they're building the story around what is posted here. Journalists have always asked what people's opinions on current events are.. it's just easier to source opinion online I guess, and isn't that what the internet exists for really.. to make things easier


  • #41
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Wertz wrote: »
    When you publish to boards, it's board's property...re-publishing is theft in effect, when no poermission is granted for usage.
    I would disagree its Boards property. The copyright and responsibility for the content of your posts remains with you. You give Boards rights to publish that content, but that's it. You also give them the right to delete it if they feel its not on.

    Good for both too. For Boards? If it was Boards property, then if you wrote something incredibly libelous and it was missed by mods and management, you would get off scot free and Boards Ltd would be entirely liable and could get badly hit in the pocket. Bollocks to that.

    For the user? You retain the copyright to your content. Why someone would be so blase to give that up is beyond me TBH. You also get a platform to have that content published while retaining copyright. That's good stuff.

    For both? Well if hypothetically, I wrote something worth nicking and I spotted someone doing that. I could make a legal challenge as the copyright holder. Boards Ltd as my authorised publisher (and the benefactor of all our content, as the users are of each others) could make a legal challenge both in concert and on behalf of me a user. That's a lot of leverage there, even if not tested yet. Much better bet than if it was me alone or Boards alone on all counts.

    In fact that's the one area the internet is or can be different. People have more control over their content and so do the publishers. I have had my issues with some aspects of Boards in my time. One reason I did was IMHO I could see how it was different and the better the place was the longer it could remain that way.

    The least any decent media outlet could do is give a reference to the source, if not some payment for all that easily searchable material this site provides...
    If one is relying on good will for that you will be waiting a long time IMHO. That will only happen if the outlets have more to lose by not doing so. So far they have little to fear on that score.

    If in that hypothetical scenario where a media outlet did plagarise a post or posts of mine published on this website? I would pursue it further. I would contact Boards management so we could both pursue it from different angles. Knowing a few of the peeps at that end of things I'm quite sure they would too. They've done it before when a concert promoter started waving lawyers at them and the users. And they backed it up with time, effort and money from their pockets too. And got a change in precedent while they were at it. A win for the new media. That's not hype either. I dont buy into hype very often.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #42
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Wouldn't really bother me, but would be common courtesy to ask first imo

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #43
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Wibbs wrote: »
    And they backed it up with time, effort and money from their pockets too. And got a change in precedent while they were at it. A win for the new media. That's not hype either. I dont buy into hype very often.

    That's very interesting and encouraging to hear.

    Is it documented anywhere?


  • #44
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Quoting directly from here is me thinks but following up on a post with PM and email is not perhaps.


  • #45
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    Personally I'd love the option of deleting everything I've ever posted on this site.


  • #46
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    That's very interesting and encouraging to hear.
    Yep it was. It was a small(in general public terms) victory, but a pretty big change in how the internet in Ireland can operate and what leeway it has. It made and will make a diff anyway.
    Is it documented anywhere?
    I dunno where, but it probably is. Maybe someone from the Boards office can point to it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #47
    alwaysadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭alwaysadub


    My posts usually aren't sensible enough to be used as a proper quote, but i would stand by whatever i've posted in the past.

    If, though, a journo contacted me for further info on something, unless it was something very close to my heart, i doubt i'd want anything to do with them. And i'd hate for a quote of mine to be taken totally out of context, which quite easily could happen.


  • #48
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    The thing that really pissed me off wasn't that he used my full name without permission, or that his article was almost a word for word copy & paste of my post, nor was it that the headline suggested that terraces were to return to stadiums when they weren't - it was that he said I was a Liverpool fan, when I've been a Man United fan for over 25 years.

    We all have a cross to bear.

    I once tried to organise an anti-government protest here in AH.
    Nobody turned up and some bitch of a journalist took the piss out of me.
    I was so upset that I committed suicide. Now that I'm dead, the bitch won't do it again.*



    *Only part of this story is true.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Terry wrote: »
    We all have a cross to bear.

    I once tried to organise an anti-government protest here in AH.
    Nobody turned up and some bitch of a journalist took the piss out of me.
    I was so upset that I committed suicide. Now that I'm dead, the bitch won't do it again.*



    *Only part of this story is true.

    Did you shout really loudly though?


  • #50
    TheInquisitor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭TheInquisitor


    You mean something like this for instance?

    http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9052/clampattack.jpg

    Taken from my famous pranks thread!!

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055566064

    I couldn't give a toss to be fair!


  • #51
    Piste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    I've been quoted from boards and had excerpts of a blog I used to keep quoted too. It would have been nice to have a heads up, even if full permission wasn't sought. It was a bit surprising to open to paper and see myself quotes, I think it would have been polite to have let me known.


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  • #52
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Journos and others have data mined the web for years. I've seen that with wristwatches of all things. Where designers have looked for trends among online communities and plagiarised those trends. Cool hunting it was called. IMHO that's OK, what's not OK is some lazy arsed crappy untalented hack nicking others content wholesale and either making it look like they had permission or passing it off as their own. I'd not be happy if I was ripped off like that. Especially in the passing it off as their own. In that case I would take it further TBH.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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