Big Jim Mansfield and the receiver

Atlantic1 · 08-07-2010 01:47AM

Trampas wrote: »

No reports of job losses yet.

is receivership the case were someone comes in to run the place?

Yes. It'll be run as a going concern. I think that The Heritage is in the same boat. What a pity!

doctorwu · 08-07-2010 02:05AM

Planning Permission? Discuss.;)

conno16 · 08-07-2010 01:10PM

pour some concrete over the courses in citywest and you'd have a savage park and ride facility..
target it at people coming up to dublin for shopping, all-ireland finals etc
maybe 10 quid to park for the day, 15 for the wkend etc

Johnny_Fontane · 08-07-2010 02:32PM

GorHugh wrote: »

Palmerstown well on the way to the dogs ....

I played here recently and the course was in super condition (as it should be)....Greens were slick, the place was kept immaculate.

shawpower · 08-07-2010 02:42PM

aidannulty wrote: »

it is madness he got planning for a 1700 bed hotel at citywest. How did he ever expect to even fill a quarter of them? Sad though for the people who may loose their jobs:-(

I thought the whole point was that he didn't get planning permission, just built it without and then "sorted things out" afterwards...

the_one_&_only · 08-07-2010 04:15PM

Finnstown is in receivership now too :eek::eek::eek:

Johnnycoyle · 08-07-2010 09:43PM

Is there any danger of it closing down? Wouldnt have thought so. The hotel has 1200 plus bedrooms and is busy from what I hear and the Luas will be there shortly. New golf course is nearly finished and will always be busy. A buyer will be found for this by the receiver i.m.o. and jobs will survive in this case.

With regards to the man himself I couldnt agree more with the comments above. Cant say too much here but I reckon there is more to come from this story about the goings on in City West. Major dodgy.

The_Architect · 09-07-2010 11:31AM

Johnnycoyle wrote: »

New golf course is nearly finished and will always be busy. .

Tell me more about this... It's actually being built?... Who's doing it?...

Thanks

snowy666 · 09-07-2010 11:55PM

My understanding from the guys in the Pro shop is that the design for the new layout has been ready for well over a year (in fact, they were a day away from starting work on it last year, but didn't start for some reason).

I was told that O'Connor ir responsible for all the changes - sure you know he designed the original - and they are happening quickly. Each time I play you can see the holes shaping up. I'm yet to see anything of the holes across the road on the old lakes course, but I'm happy to play there and enjoy it.

smurfey · 26-07-2010 11:11AM

GorHugh wrote: »

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......

Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

I hate reading quotes from uneducated idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about, Mansfields loans were from bosi which is an English bank and has nothing to do with Nama......yea poor fool :eek:

f22 · 26-07-2010 11:25AM

smurfey wrote: »

I hate reading quotes from uneducated idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about, Mansfields loans were from bosi which is an English bank and has nothing to do with Nama......yea poor fool :eek:

Good man, that was well worth registering for wasn't it!

heavyballs · 26-07-2010 11:30AM

f22 wrote: »

Good man, that was well worth registering for wasn't it!

smurphy exits stage right,a rather short boards experience

Ash.J.Williams · 26-07-2010 11:33AM

f22 wrote: »

Good man, that was well worth registering for wasn't it!

I'm sure if i was reading incorrect information about people i know, I would flip the lid also. It's a normal reaction to interent lies, is it not?

heavyballs · 26-07-2010 11:37AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I'm sure if i was reading incorrect information about people i know, I would flip the lid also. It's a normal reaction to interent lies, is it not?

i think you need to re-read the thread AJ

infamous · 26-07-2010 11:48AM

Mansfield business model just doesnt work, there is no room for a 1700 room hotel in Ireland, the luas will add a small benefit to the hotel but it will be still an hour minimum on the luas to the city centre I wouldn fancy that and would stay somewhere more conveniant. As for Mansfield I would have little sympathy for him total chancer, he took chances throughout his career convicted of vat fraud in the uk and broke planning regulations here. Drugs on his plane coming through westin didnt suprise anyone although it was never directly linked to him just his plane. Mansfield is a chancer that done well for himself he took his opportunitys regardless of rules and regulations he seems to have just kept taking as the banks gave and got in over his head, I have read a few articles and heard a few interviews he seems to have a limited grasp of the business world and that shows in his sprawling empire in the citywest with zero business model or strategy behind it.

blackwaterfish · 26-07-2010 12:06PM

snowy666 wrote: »

My understanding from the guys in the Pro shop is that the design for the new layout has been ready for well over a year (in fact, they were a day away from starting work on it last year, but didn't start for some reason).

I was told that O'Connor ir responsible for all the changes - sure you know he designed the original - and they are happening quickly. Each time I play you can see the holes shaping up. I'm yet to see anything of the holes across the road on the old lakes course, but I'm happy to play there and enjoy it.

was out there at the wknd, all work has ceased, with works to the lakes site not having commenced at all. Contractor ceased work on site very likely due to concerns over clients ability to make ongoing payments.

Fourcandle · 25-08-2010 10:42AM

I am looking to book a fourball for myself and some guys coming over from the UK and was thinking of Palmerstown House. Has anyone been there recently? Should I steer clear?

blackwaterfish · 25-08-2010 11:37AM

Update:
All works are going ahead. what previously was the lakes course will ( from circa 18th sept ) be 9 holes. the works on lengthening the current Championship course are again proceeding with tee boxes on specific "shorter" holes pulled back significantly.

citywest as a 27hole course will re-open on circa 18th sept.

conno16 · 25-08-2010 11:38AM

any sign of big jim wandering around with a shovel?

25-08-2010 11:49AM

blackwaterfish wrote: »

Update:
All works are going ahead. what previously was the lakes course will ( from circa 18th sept ) be 9 holes. the works on lengthening the current Championship course are again proceeding with tee boxes on specific "shorter" holes pulled back significantly.

citywest as a 27hole course will re-open on circa 18th sept.

Never played it, will the new layouts be able to play like 3 9's?

conno16 · 25-08-2010 11:52AM

prob same as the blackbush i'd imagine

they'll alternate the 18 holes on given days etc

The_Architect · 25-08-2010 12:22PM

blackwaterfish wrote: »

Update:
All works are going ahead. what previously was the lakes course will ( from circa 18th sept ) be 9 holes. the works on lengthening the current Championship course are again proceeding with tee boxes on specific "shorter" holes pulled back significantly.

citywest as a 27hole course will re-open on circa 18th sept.

I'm not sure where they are getting the room to lengthen these holes unless they are using some land from the executive course to create a few new holes for the main 18 and re-routing the whole course?... Is that the case... With a new lengthened 3rd nine on the same land?

And unless that work has been underway all season, it sounds like another Citywest hatchet job.

The Executive course was the best thing about the place in my opinion so I don't hold out a huge amount of hope.

blackwaterfish · 25-08-2010 12:50PM

The_Architect wrote: »

I'm not sure where they are getting the room to lengthen these holes unless they are using some land from the executive course to create a few new holes for the main 18 and re-routing the whole course?... Is that the case... With a new lengthened 3rd nine on the same land?

thought i was pretty clear. Architects eh? :rolleyes:

current Championship course: tee boxs on certain holes pulled back to create length ( land required for same within grounds of existing Championship course )

the Lakes course: converted into a 9 hole. - simply put there will be a new par 5 + less par 3's.

The_Architect wrote: »

And unless that work has been underway all season, it sounds like another Citywest hatchet job

Which previous hatchet job is this?
Sods required to form new tee boxes and surrounding landscaping has been lifted from areas of the Lakes course that will not form part of the its new 9 hole layout.

Will this new work be bedded in sufficiently such that the whole place doesnt turn into a quagmire ( giggity ) during a wet september... who knows. lets wait and see.

The_Architect wrote: »

The Executive course was the best thing about the place in my opinion so I don't hold out a huge amount of hope

Aw... Want a hug?

what concerns me is the distance the new 9 holes will be from the existing 18... quite a trek!
but word has it big jim has personally guaranteed to chopper folk over and back all day on the condition we call him T.C.

blackwaterfish · 25-08-2010 12:52PM

1916 wrote: »

Never played it, will the new layouts be able to play like 3 9's?

correct... or so they say. may involve some serious walking between nines.

blackwaterfish · 25-08-2010 12:55PM

@ conno

with that big tit at the helm anything could happen and probably will.

The_Architect · 25-08-2010 01:27PM

By hatchet job, I mean that there's never really been a proper masterplan for the place and the golf course has suffered. It has got progressively weaker with each change.

If all they are doing to the existing 18 is trying to find more length within an existing routing in the same land parcel, then I don't hold out much hope. It will be the same course with perhaps a few added safety problems.

I though the executive course was very enjoyable and something we could have more of in this country - short, entertaining golf courses built with a little (but not too much) budget...

Fourcandle · 25-08-2010 02:29PM

Rang them this morning to book, was told someone would ring me back, that was 4 hours ago so we're going to Carton instead.

conno16 · 25-08-2010 02:45PM

jaysus big jim will be furious

sums the place up rightly tho

brick tamland · 25-08-2010 04:41PM

The_Architect wrote: »

The Executive course was the best thing about the place in my opinion so I don't hold out a huge amount of hope.

What was the executive Course?

Edit - its the old name for the lakes course isnt it

snowy666 · 26-08-2010 01:21AM

blackwaterfish wrote: »

Update:
All works are going ahead. what previously was the lakes course will ( from circa 18th sept ) be 9 holes. the works on lengthening the current Championship course are again proceeding with tee boxes on specific "shorter" holes pulled back significantly.

citywest as a 27hole course will re-open on circa 18th sept.

Thanks for this. I'm actually glad it's staying as is with a little lengthening. The first version was supposed to have meant not using the home stretch, including the 18th:eek:(one of the best finishing holes you'll find imo.

@The Architect - New Tee boxes for hole 2 have been pushed back 70(ish) yards, the new tee will mean driving through a "shoot" of trees - just like Augusta;)

Par 3 3rd lengthened by about 40 yards.

Par 4 4th lengthened about the same - will be a very tricky drive now.

Par 4 9th lengthened by about 60 yards, pond put in place along right hand side up to green.

Afaik that's it. I actually enjoy the course, however, the CS leaves a lot to be desired and it really is just an add-on to the hotel, with no "club" feel. I'll continue to play, but will be moving membership - anyone got any good ideas (11 h/cap), living in Tyrellstown, I'd be glad to hear them.

Big Jim Mansfield and the receiver

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