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Dirty Epics doc

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  • #32
    Orando Broom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    This is a large part of the problem with the Dirty Epics.

    http://www.showbiz.ie/news/october08/17-krystle-party-was-stellar.shtml


    When yopur manager inhabits this space in our society and is described in the terms she is your band has a massive credibilirty problem. It throws the notion of them being hard working out the window and it should be immediately be replaced with well-connected.

    Some will say jealously others will see it as calling shennanigans on a band built on who they know not what they know. Their manager who seems to have an undeserved prominance in the band and it's press is jsut a socialite. Google her and the first page does not give an one indication of her credentials as a manager. Her band management runs secondary to photos at various social events and horse races. When people read this the natural conclusion is that the success is not based on musical talent or graft but through the pervasive irish traist of social grifting.

    Look at the Richter Collective and Popical Island. Why do their bands get kudos, because they go about their jobs in a fashion that is commensurate with being a small to medium sized band in a small market. There is a way of doing things that gains credibility kudos. There are several bands far worthier of comment than the Dirty Epics who do so.


  • #33
    smackbunnybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »
    Coniosumadre - you seem to know an awful lot about them. Are you sure this isn't a personal grudge?

    I don't listen to them (have heard their stuff) but I know about as much about their background as Coniosumadre and others have stated, so you don't have to have a personal grudge to air such views or opinions.

    Has has been pointed out already, they are popular in the media so it's not like any of this information is classified.


  • #34
    Miguel_Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    smackbunnybaby wrote: »
    I don't listen to them (have heard their stuff) but I know about as much about their background as Coniosumadre and others have stated, so you don't have to have a personal grudge to air such views or opinions.

    Has has been pointed out already, they are popular in the media so it's not like any of this information is classified.

    That's true. However little details like them paying their own way to SXSW seems to be quite specific which prompted me to ask the question.

    Is it one of these 'I hate them so much I have to read everything about them so I can hate them even more' things?


  • #35
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Again...what a weird thread...

    Out of curiosity I did this:

    http://www.google.ie/images?q=Nadine%20Wai%20O%27Flynn&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1440&bih=699

    All quite odd..

    Still, it's not any bands I've ever known would shun this attention if they had a chance to exploit it...

    So maybe there's a bit of jealousy here (purely thinking out loud, not accusing anyone... I don't know **** about the Dublin socialite scene)?


  • #36
    Air_Bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Air_Bass


    lordgoat wrote: »
    First of all, there was/is nothing wrong with your grammar. It's your understadning of the language and syntax where you have a problem.

    Your first post starts:

    The way I see it: blah blah blah

    This is a statement. Simple, you're not offering an opinion, stating one, in what came across as a very condescending tone (much like the one you've found directed at you since). Very big difference. One makes you sound reasonable the other makes you sound like a bit of a dick.


    Back on topic now. If you want any more English lessons PM me or i'm sure there's an english/literature forum where you can seek the clarification that you do need.


    Just so you're aware : To "offer" an opinion is perfectly valid English.
    So no thanks Chumpsky, I doubt I will ever need English lessons from you.


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  • #37
    coniosumadre
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭coniosumadre


    Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »
    That's true. However little details like them paying their own way to SXSW seems to be quite specific which prompted me to ask the question.

    Is it one of these 'I hate them so much I have to read everything about them so I can hate them even more' things?


    Every independent band pays their own way to the SXSW festival..i thought everybody knew that.....Its my Job to know about bands,what i know about them i wouldnt class as classified information or anything!!!


  • #38
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Air_Bass wrote: »
    Just so you're aware : To "offer" an opinion is perfectly valid English.
    So no thanks Chumpsky, I doubt I will ever need English lessons from you.

    AND

    "Statement" don't mean "fact".

    "Stating an opinion" isn't in any way contradictory.

    I agree with your opinions in this thread LG, but you're wrong about the phrase, "stating an opinion" being loaded or contradictory.

    In other words...
    This is a statement. Simple, you're not offering an opinion,

    ...is not a valid point.


  • #39
    Miguel_Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    Ok - let's keep this on topic.

    Any more sniping/off-topic nonsense and I'm infracting/locking.


  • #40
    Miguel_Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    Every independent band pays their own way to the SXSW festival..i thought everybody knew that.....Its my Job to know about bands,what i know about them i wouldnt class as classified information or anything!!!

    I misread your post and thought you were implying that it was some terrible thing that they'd paid their own way out there. Apologies.


  • #41
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    coniosumadre wrote: »
    Every independent band pays their own way to the SXSW festival..i thought everybody knew that.....Its my Job to know about bands,what i know about them i wouldnt class as classified information or anything!!!

    eh no not every band pays their way to SxSW


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  • #42
    Air_Bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Air_Bass


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    I haven't played much football, but I can still clearly observe a difference in quality between, say, my local charity pub team and Arsenal. Similarly, I am not in a band, but can still make comment on one musical act or another.

    I'm not going to buy CDs from every single band on earth, for instance, because some of those bands blow. And the "Ah shur they're trying their best! They're no good, but they're Irish!" attitude hasn't exactly served our homegrown music scene very well - it's only exacerbated our lazy media problem, and served to elevate mediocrity to flagship status. That's how you end up with bands like The Blizzards on the Main Stage at Oxegen, and bands like The National off in a tent somewhere.

    Some fair points raised there Jill.
    Maybe I'm guitly of being a bit too generous with praise for Irish artists but I just like to see local folks doing well. Maybe being a bit more selective can indeed serve to elevate standards as you quite rightly suggest.
    I would still consider Dirty Epics worthy of at least some the hype though.


  • #43
    smackbunnybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    Doesn't Ireland (some committee somewhere) select 8-10 bands to represent Ireland in SXSW every year which is paid for.

    This is separate to any band that want to book and pay for it all themselves.

    I don't know which category DE fall into.


  • #44
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    smackbunnybaby wrote: »
    Doesn't Ireland (some committee somewhere) select 8-10 bands to represent Ireland in SXSW every year which is paid for.

    This is separate to any band that want to book and pay for it all themselves.

    I don't know which category DE fall into.

    thats correct Music From Ireland which is funded by FMC (First Music Contact) operate that scheme as I was alluding to above.

    Though only bands that are deemed "sellable / marketable" are sponsored to go and pushed once over there which speaks volumes about Dirty Epics in my book.


  • #45
    Miguel_Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    Yeah but just because a band pay their own way over doesn't mean they're not good.

    Also - what's the selection like for SXSW? How do you apply and how strict are they about who gets to play?


  • #46
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »
    Yeah but just because a band pay their own way over doesn't mean they're not good.

    Also - what's the selection like for SXSW? How do you apply and how strict are they about who gets to play?

    It's a bit difficult to explain without giving away info that I should not


  • #47
    Miguel_Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    miju wrote: »
    It's a bit difficult to explain without giving away info that I should not

    Is there a super secret handshake involved?


  • #48
    AdMMM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    I'm not sure about a super-secret handshake but a super-ninja Google revealed this: http://sxsw.com/music/shows/apply


  • #49
    Air_Bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭Air_Bass


    AdMMM wrote: »
    I'm not sure about a super-secret handshake but a super-ninja Google revealed this: http://sxsw.com/music/shows/apply

    Wow, sonicbids seem to be involved in everything.
    Last time an old band of mine tried to get on the list for Hard Working Class Heroes a couple of years back it was all done through sonicbids too.
    We sure didn't have to pay money just be listed for consideration though ! (but we were hounded with countless emails from them for months afterwards)


  • #50
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    AdMMM wrote: »
    I'm not sure about a super-secret handshake but a super-ninja Google revealed this: http://sxsw.com/music/shows/apply

    we're talking more in the vein of Irish sponsorship not applying directly through Sonicbids in the open competition


  • #51
    Miguel_Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    miju wrote: »
    we're talking more in the vein of Irish sponsorship not applying directly through Sonicbids in the open competition

    I presumed that was what you were on about alright.

    Although a good soul shake will open many the door in the music world I believe.


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  • #52
    siltirocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭siltirocker


    This all reminds me of Pearl Jam circa 1992.

    Whenever i personally think of fresh awesome music alternative music i think of Villagers, Fight Like Apes, RSAG, Jape, Messiah J & The Expert, Lisa Hannigan, etc.
    Dirty Epics wouldn't be in my top 100 Irish Acts atm. Who this documentry is for is beyond me, it must be an EPK. (Although it does look like an EPK for a film).


  • #53
    Sinfonia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Air_Bass wrote: »
    Maybe I'm guitly of being a bit too generous with praise for Irish artists but I just like to see local folks doing well.
    Yeah, I think the problem with a video like this is that the message sent across isn't an earnest "Hey guys, here's a documentary we made about our band, check it out if you're a fan/have any interest/have x minutes to spare", it feels more like: "You obviously know who Dirty Epics are. You obviously know how great the music of Dirty Epics is. Now, you can get an inside look into the fascinating lives of Ireland's greatest band, etc."
    Just seems really conceited, which is a really ****ty position for a band to take when they're not very well known and are trying to gain more publicity.


  • #54
    MusoCor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭MusoCor


    Wow this is a funny post sorry it's dragging it back up but to answer Jeff's question about the selection for SXSW here is one answer.
    You need to apply through sonicbids for a start.
    You should also have been in contact with FMC at some stage. The lovely Angela Dorgan is fantastic.
    You can also try to get your manager or friend or whoever books your gigs to get in contact with one of SXSW's organisers to make sure you are picked.

    Here is the part someone tried to answer but got it wrong. FMC do not sponsor bands to go over. They cant afford to send over 10 to 11 act with an average 4 or 5 members each. That's a ridiculous statement to make.
    They do give the bands some Money to help them on their way. Approximately 500 before and approx 500 after they return. if you are anyway serious about being in a band and you get a chance to go to SXSW you will spend the money yourself you will ask anyone you can. You'll spend money you saved for your kids birthdays and you'll pay to get earlier flights and go to NYC to play a gig first and maybe fly out another city after playing a gig there.

    I have to say there is a lot of childish responses on this thread and others to do with Irish bands. Fair enough they are a ****e band and sound dated now. But what do you expect after playing the songs that were written about 5 years ago.

    As Oscar Wilde put to paper once, "what is worse than being talked about? Not being talked about. "

    Sent from my iPhone
    Cause I'm old and I can afford one :)


  • #55
    Stompbox
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    MusoCor wrote: »
    Fair enough they are a ****e band and sound dated now. But what do you expect after playing the songs that were written about 5 years ago.

    So because a song was written 5 years ago it must be ****e? I'm not trying to argue Dirty Epics' case because their songs are dated and ****e but one of the hallmarks of quality is the ability to make your music timeless.


  • #56
    MusoCor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭MusoCor


    I actually said the band are ****e. Not the songs being ****e. If that was what you took out of it then I apologise. I'm quite happy the way the music was written, pop punk.

    I would also say maps by yeah yeah yeah's sounds dated now when you listen to their new stuff which is infinitely much better.

    The songs are dated and sound dated in the overall context of the mainstream that is now.

    Yes its true that if a song is truly great quality it will be timeless. When will they be written and by who?


  • #57
    discobeaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭discobeaker


    Any links to this documentary? Would like to see what its like cos i got fook all else to do over xmas


  • #58
    lordgoat
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    MusoCor wrote: »
    I actually said the band are ****e. Not the songs being ****e. If that was what you took out of it then I apologise. I'm quite happy the way the music was written, pop punk.

    I would also say maps by yeah yeah yeah's sounds dated now when you listen to their new stuff which is infinitely much better.

    The songs are dated and sound dated in the overall context of the mainstream that is now.

    Yes its true that if a song is truly great quality it will be timeless. When will they be written and by who?


    Cheers for the two highly informative posts. I agree with the sound being a little dated, but you gotta fight to get out there and that's what they do.

    I do have quite a soft spot for SJ though, pretty and very cool girl.


  • #59
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    zombie thread or what :)


  • #60
    SilverScreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭SilverScreen


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