Conduct Unbecoming a Member of Fianna Fáil

syklops wrote: »

Are we going to get our 80,000 back?

If I diddled the expenses in the company I work I would get the sack and have to pay the money back.

As Mr Gogarty would say 'will we f**k'

donegalfella wrote: »

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So were a few others, but as wisely pointed out he doesn't have a necessary vote.
lawlor, burke, haughey, flynns, ahern all had stenches about them, but they were/have been kept around until last minute.

callely was not even popular in the party as was evident by the fact the councillors throughout the country couldn't be ar***d voting him into the senate.

Please remember folks that this man was appointed to the senate by bertie ahern as one of his nominees, along with that other fine fellow eoghan harris. :rolleyes:

This man is not even an elected representative of any sort. :mad:

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Kudos to FF for taking a hard stance against Ivor Callelly . . Surely a sign that FF is willing and ready to stand up and tackle its problems from within . .

...except he was the one who resigned from Fianna Fáil several weeks after the entire thing started. All the party had done was start to investigate him.

If they had any standards, he would have been kicked out as soon as they knew about his fraudulent actions.

Sulmac wrote: »

...except he was the one who resigned from Fianna Fáil several weeks after the entire thing started. All the party had done was start to investigate him.

If they had any standards, he would have been kicked out as soon as they knew about his fraudulent actions.

Ever hear of due process ? We are all entitled to it even if it appears that we have misbehaved . .

He lost the party whip . .

He then got suspended from the party . .

He finally resigned when it was clear that an investigation was going to recommend his removal !

This is how it should always be !

hallelujajordan wrote: »

No, I am not joking . . honestly I think the way FF handled Callelly should be the template for any future case . .

I prefer the 'no nonsense' approach

Gordon Brown received a blow tonight on the eve of the publication of MPs' expenses when he was forced to sack Kitty Ussher as a junior Treasury minister in the face of evidence that she "flipped" her homes to avoid paying capital gains tax.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/17/mps-expenses-kitty-ussher

you can scream due process all you want but I think we have plenty of evidence for FF to have responded to Callelys abuse in a far stronger manner then Cowen mumbling something about 'more questions than answers'. He shouldve been sacked, and if you weren't such an apologist you'd recognise that

Laminations wrote: »

I prefer the 'no nonsense' approach

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/17/mps-expenses-kitty-ussher
you can scream due process all you want but I think we have plenty of evidence for FF to have responded to Callelys abuse in a far stronger manner then Cowen mumbling something about 'more questions than answers'. He shouldve been sacked, and if you weren't such an apologist you'd recognise that

No, I wouldn't . . I don't agree with trial by media and I think everybody is entitled to due process whether they exist within FF or anywhere else.

And btw, I'm not apologising (and never have done) for FF . . In this case, I am congratulating them on their actions.

Also, if you read the article you linked to you will see that Ussher resigned on foot of pressure from Gordon Brown (much like Callelly did yesterday) and to my knowledge was never suspended or expelled from the British Labour Party (unlike Callelly)

Sleepy wrote: »

No, it's not.

Any person being paid by the taxpayer found acting in such a manner should be fired and stripped of all pension rights. I don't care what service they've done the country in the past, how many votes they pull in for the party or what a grand fella their daddy was. If the rest of my countrymen don't have the stomach to see them shot (as I'd have it), let us make sure we make the legal changes necessary so the likes of Callely, Ahern, Neary et al can be held accountable for their actions and incompetency in the future.

No more golden handshakes. No more unvouched expenses. No more state pensions for those who didn't even earn their salaries.

Honourable Conduct or death by firing squad.

In general I agree (except the bit about death by firing squad !) . . . however, what you raise here is nothing to do with removing someone from a political party. . . The point you raise is about removing someone from elected office which actually raises serious constitutional issues. . the electorate put each of these people into position, should anyone other than the electorate have the power to remove them ? (I understand its different for nominated senators!)

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Ever hear of due process ? We are all entitled to it even if it appears that we have misbehaved . .

He lost the party whip . .

He then got suspended from the party . .

He finally resigned when it was clear that an investigation was going to recommend his removal !

This is how it should always be !

Ah the old chestnut of due process.
Funny how soldiers of dysentery resort to this at some stage.
Sure isn't bertie getting due process ? :rolleyes:
Isn't seanie fitz and fingers fingelton getting due process ?

Isn't it about time the taxpayers got due process and promptly at that ?

Meanwhile the person draws a salary and expenses paid for by the mugs the taxpayers.

This whole episode has rasied some interesting questions that I have only heard discussed on one show and by Shane Ross, who is about the only reason the senate should still exist.


This person was NOT ELECTED to his position.
Thus the thing about elected representatives only being sackable by the electorate is a crock of shi** in this case.


What standards and laws does an elected reprsentative have to break to be not allowed hold elected office in this banana republic.

Examples:
michael lowry confirmed tax evasion yet has been allwoed stand for re-election and even worse re-elected.

bev flynn confirmed facilitator of tax evasion, bankrupt due to legal action against arm of state that later reached agreement with her, yet she has been allowed stand for election.

stroke fahy found guilty of fraud and illegally obtaining services and materials fromthe council for personal use i.e. theft, served time in prison yet allowed stand for local elections.

martin ferris found guilty of gun running for an illegal paramilitary organisation who had a stated aim of overthrowing the legal apparatus of the state, later he became an apologist for Garda murderers, yet he can stand for election.

Hell in this state larry murphy could stand for election.