Google's 200 new jobs ...

astrofool · 22-08-2010 08:25PM

gurramok wrote: »

This is an incredibly stupid post. I live near Google HQ on Barrow st, Dublin and the vast majority of its 1500 employees are non-Irish. Its stated this as fact if you bother Google the facts on their workforce here.

http://www.irishjobs.ie/ForumWW/WWIndividualArticle.aspx?ForumTypeID=2476

These jobs do nothing for denting that Irish unemployment rate except bringing in some income taxes. Its still not reducing the Live Register total. And yes, it takes years to learn a foreign language especially technically as Google requires so forget about training the 450,000 people out there seeking a job, it ain't gonna happen.

Did you read your article? It's from 2006, and in any case, it's figures are 70% from foreign countries, which, if this follows, 200 jobs, would mean 60 jobs for Irish people.

Google do a lot more than just call centre from here, there is R+D work going on there as well, which is something that is very difficult to move from one place to another (unlike the box packers at Dell).

Recently ourselves, we've been hiring a bucketload of people, and while we hired a fair few Irish, we ended up going further afield due to the quality coming through.

We also forget that of those 450,000, a feckload were in construction, it's very hard to re-train a labourer to work in a high tech job somewhere like Google, there's no easy solution here, but at minimum, an hons. degree is needed for these jobs, do we have stats on how many of those 450,000 are third level educated?

Our problem is our education system isn't geared enough towards math + science, the points needed to get into these courses has dropped like a stone, bringing in things like bonus points for hons. maths may help, but it needs much more of a concerted effort from schools and their guidance counsellors to make Irish people employable again.

gandalf · 22-08-2010 08:37PM

ahal wrote: »

I think I've already explained where I stand on that. Of the total unemployed in this country, a signifigant minority are 'non nationals'. If one of same leaves a job in Spar and takes up a job in Google, Irish person gets the job in Spar ... it's not a racial arguement it's a logical / numbers arguement. I don't see the point in adding to an existing pool of unemployed - both national and non national.

What has Google employing people have to do with unemployed "non nationals"?

They are creating jobs? Be they for Irish or Non Nationals as you call them. If those that are here don't have the skills then they will of course look elsewhere for those who have the necessary skills. Just because some speak a language doesn't mean that alone gives them the ability to do the job that they require. They need to have the technical ability to do the job as well.

Apart from the fact that any HR person saying that would be quite racist, sounds like an excuse to outsource jobs. This is where leadership is needed ... sure we need jobs, but large companies need to play by some rules.

That happened back in 1996 and it was a business decision by that company who were losing sales. Now no one lost their jobs they were reassigned within that organisation.

What, more money to put into Anglo? If activity doesn't result in jobs in the market, it's useless. The Govt. is just a big black hole. Not much good to the guy or girl in the dole que.

Jesus what has that got to do with Anglo Irish Bank. We are talking about 200 jobs, some of which will go to Irish people and you are waffling on about Anglo Irish etc?

Are you saying that additional Tax revenue is not wanted? Its a bad thing? Is that what you are saying here?

Of the 20% or so on the dole who are not originally Irish, Google can get their employees. If some of them need a bit of working on, enter Government and Fas. That should be the deal. I can see a colossal mess on the way as things stand. It's a no - brainer to continue recruiting abroad at this time.

Are you seriously suggesting that if Google need a Latvian Speaker that they hire an unemployed Brickie because he is already here?

Are you suggesting that a cash strapped Government spend more money on training people who may not have the aptitude to be trained in IT related fields?

Are you for real?

At the end of the day, I can see a lot of major companies pulling out of Ireland as things are going. At the moment we're in a 'holding pattern' while they get their operations abroad set up, and what will be left is an even more massive amount of unemployed people. To those who choose to believe that I dislike foreigners, wait until you see the explosion of racism that will create (evidence: every other country in the World)

That has been said for years. Some companies will leave, some will stay and new ones will arrive. As for racism if someone thinks that a foreigner is stealing a job from them that they cannot do then thats their problem.

Ireland is basically a call centre. It seems illogical to me that someone comes from half way around the World to speak their native language in Dublin anyway. How long will it be before setup is in that country itself? In these days of telecommunications it's hardly a 'feat'. These jobs can be moved easily, and I'd love to know what the plan is (nothing?) for when they do.

Because its not just one country they are dealing with. Most are dealing with the whole of Europe and the Middle East and Africa. Instead of having multiple locations servicing individual countries they have one. As for the jobs being moved easily yes of course they will. Where do you think the jobs moved from in the first place. Nearly every new announcement of jobs by a major organisation means that people have lost jobs somewhere else. Thats the reality and yes it has and will happen to us here as well.

No point in slagging me off, I'm just calling it as I see it. It'd be great if people got involved a bit more in the debate and stopped trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't invent AIDS / Famine / RTA's either :rolleyes:

Well you have come on here prospecting your idea that Google are disrespecting us because they have to hire people from outside the state to fill their jobs specifications without actually giving us a working, sane and logical alternative solution that they can use or an alternative that we can use instead of relying on multinationals to give some of our citizens jobs.

I assume that is why some people are venting their frustration with you.

ahal · 22-08-2010 08:55PM

gandalf wrote: »

That happened back in 1996

Ah, clarity :rolleyes:

gandalf wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that if Google need a Latvian Speaker that they hire an unemployed Brickie because he is already here?

For someone who takes issue with the use of the term 'Non-National' that's an interesting one. Newsflash: not all Latvians already here are ex-"brickies". The one I worked with had a computer sciences degree. The Pole in my local convenience store also has an IT degree.

gandalf wrote: »

Are you suggesting that a cash strapped Government spend more money on training people who may not have the aptitude to be trained in IT related fields?

Are the Government 'cash strapped?' ... last time I checked most of them were on sun holidays abroad :rolleyes: Short term gain - vs. - long term.

gandalf wrote: »

Are you for real?

Yes, and yourself?

gandalf wrote: »

As for racism if someone thinks that a foreigner is stealing a job from them that they cannot do then thats their problem.

If only it ever worked out that simply.

gandalf wrote: »

Well you have come on here prospecting your idea that Google are disrespecting us because they have to hire people from outside the state to fill their jobs specifications without actually giving us a working, sane and logical alternative solution that they can use or an alternative that we can use instead of relying on multinationals to give some of our citizens jobs.

Email the latter part of that paragraph to your local politician (if you can find him / her) rather than making excuses for the Government ("no money" lol!)

gandalf wrote: »

I assume that is why some people are venting their frustration with you.

No, some agree and some don't. It's called debate.

Frankly I couldn't be bothered argueing any further with you. You can point to what I say and what you incorrectly say I say ... and what you'd like me to say ... this could go on for years :rolleyes:

22-08-2010 09:06PM

ahal wrote: »

For someone who takes issue with the use of the term 'Non-National' that's an interesting one. Newsflash: not all Latvians already here are ex-"brickies". The one I worked with had a computer sciences degree. The Pole in my local convenience store also has an IT degree.

gandalf was pointing out that a large percentage of all unemployed in the country are not trained for these jobs, not that the non-nationals aren't trained. You made the assertion that there are plenty of people here that could take those jobs. But there's not. If they were here, and applied for the job, and were the best qualified, they would get hired.

Any chance of answering these questions:

28064212 wrote: »

What rules? They already play by plenty, but what are you saying should be done in this situation? Google aren't allowed to hire people who apply who aren't resident already, regardless of their talent level? What about people who are resident here a week? A month? A year? Where do you want to draw the line?

They almost certainly can't get the employees they need from the currently unemployed. And even if they could get the bare minimum, they could get a much higher quality by hiring the best applicants. If the people on the dole want a job at Google, they're free to apply, as is anyone who's eligible to work here. Google will pick the best applicants. What do you want them to do? Should they wait until the government and Fás manage to educate the workforce to suit their particular requirements? I suppose it'll only take a year or two, Google will surely be happy to wait around til then

tl;dr version - what do you want Google/the government to do in this situation?

gandalf · 22-08-2010 09:06PM

ahal wrote: »

For someone who takes issue with the use of the term 'Non-National' that's an interesting one. Newsflash: not all Latvians already here are ex-"brickies". The one I worked with had a computer sciences degree. The Pole in my local convenience store also has an IT degree.

Just giving an example based on your earlier premise.

If Google or any other firm advertise a job then they can apply. Google should not be under any obligation to hire them over any one else though. To suggest such is naive in the extreme. They should be hired based on Googles assessment of their ability to do the job.

Are the Government 'cash strapped?' ... last time I checked most of them were on sun holidays abroad :rolleyes: Short term gain - vs. - long term.

So are you saying that you would refuse the additional tax revenue. Its a yes or no answer please don't try and deflect with a smart ass quoted reply this time

Email the latter part of that paragraph to your local politician (if you can find him / her) rather than making excuses for the Government ("no money" lol!)

So you have no solutions at all, just on here for a whinge then.

Frankly I couldn't be bothered arguing any further with you. You can point to what I say and what you incorrectly say I say ... and what you'd like me to say ... this could go on for years :rolleyes:

You're not arguing at all. You are whinging. Provide some workable solutions and then we'll get into a debate.

Until then keep getting yourself into that frenzy because Google are in your opinion saying screw the Irish. LOL!

ahal · 22-08-2010 09:20PM

gandalf wrote: »

So are you saying that you would refuse the additional tax revenue. Its a yes or no answer please don't try and deflect with a smart ass quoted reply this time

Didn't suggest that. The revenue is of use, but limited use looking at the bigger picture. The answer therefore to your hypothetical assertion on my behalf is 'No'.

gandalf wrote: »

So you have no solutions at all, just on here for a whinge then.

Again you're losing the run of yourself with the personal stuff gandalf :rolleyes: Apart from the fact that I missed your own solutions, the people whom you seem to hold in high esteem - the Government - have a load of people who are paid too much to come up with solutions. Anger directed in the wrong place again.

gandalf wrote: »

You're not arguing at all. You are whinging. Provide some workable solutions and then we'll get into a debate.

Are we approaching Election 2007? :rolleyes: Irony?

gandalf wrote: »

Until then keep getting yourself into that frenzy because Google are in your opinion saying screw the Irish. LOL!

LOL! Indeed. You seem to be getting into quite a frenzy yourself. Yes, I think that in the current climate promoting Ireland as a stop - off point for Europe is a weird with nearly half a million on the dole at the same time. How many times do I have to repeat that? If you don't agree that's fine, beyond that get a stress-doll :rolleyes:

gandalf · 22-08-2010 09:26PM

Well you came on here with the fairly weak assertion that Google were saying "Screw the Irish" and have provided no actual alternatives that make sense.

As for getting personal by saying you are only on here to whinge I'm not. Just summing up your contributions to date

ahal · 22-08-2010 09:27PM

28064212 wrote: »

gandalf was pointing out that a large percentage of all unemployed in the country are not trained for these jobs, not that the non-nationals aren't trained.

Really? I'd like to see the statistics, and what efforts have been made to recruit from within that vast pool.

28064212 wrote: »

You made the assertion that there are plenty of people here that could take those jobs. But there's not. If they were here, and applied for the job, and were the best qualified, they would get hired.

That's funny, I know 3 Dutch Techies who got turned down for basic Dutch tech. support in Ireland. They used to work for a hard - drive manufacturer.

28064212 wrote: »

Any chance of answering these questions:

Nope, better asked of your local Politicans rather than going the classic paddywhackery route on a forum. I'm not answering every variable of every variable.

ahal · 22-08-2010 09:30PM

gandalf wrote: »

Well you came on here with the fairly weak assertion that Google were saying "Screw the Irish" and have provided no actual alternatives that make sense.

No alternatives to an opinion?

gandalf wrote: »

As for getting personal by saying you are only on here to whinge I'm not. Just summing up your contributions to date

In your opinion

gandalf · 22-08-2010 09:35PM

ahal wrote: »

Really? I'd like to see the statistics, and what efforts have been made to recruit from within that vast pool.

You're the one throwing around the accusations. Show the statistics they haven't. Unfortunately personal anecdotes don't count.

That's funny, I know 3 Dutch Techies who got turned down for basic Dutch tech. support in Ireland. They used to work for a hard - drive manufacturer.

Tech Support for who, another Hard Drive Manufacturer. Do you have proof that the jobs went to people who were imported in or not. All your comment proves is that the three lads didn't have what the company wanted because they weren't hired.

Nope, better asked of your local Politicans rather than going the classic paddywhackery route on a forum. I'm not answering every variable of every variable.

So no actual positive ideas from you then. Just whinging.

ahal I don't have to provide alternatives I am happy Google are providing jobs even if some go to people outside the country. You are the one saying that you would prefer we didn't get tax revenues from these jobs, you are the one saying that Google are screwing the Irish by providing these jobs. Yet you provide no alternatives except glib comments about contacting your local politician.

22-08-2010 09:35PM

ahal wrote: »

Really? I'd like to see the statistics

You don't think that a significant percentage of people on the dole came from the construction industry and aren't qualified?

ahal wrote: »

what efforts have been made to recruit from within that vast pool.

Ehh.. they advertised the jobs. What more do you want?

ahal wrote: »

That's funny, I know 3 Dutch Techies who got turned down for basic Dutch tech. support in Ireland. They used to work for a hard - drive manufacturer.

You're missing half of the equation. Who got hired instead?

ahal wrote: »

Nope, better asked of your local Politicans rather than going the classic paddywhackery route on a forum. I'm not answering every variable of every variable.

Lol. Ok, just this one then: Google have 200 jobs to fill. How should they go about doing it?

astrofool · 22-08-2010 09:35PM

Just as an aside, and knowing some of the inner workings on the hiring processes involved here.

There is a high cost associated with getting in workers from other countries, Visas, relocation costs, risk that they don't settle. If Google, and other MN's set up in Ireland (Microsoft, Seagate, HP, Intel etc.) can find someone from Ireland able to fulfill the role, they will usually get the job, before they go flying in people for interview from other countries. Also, hiring notices go out on the Irish website, and Irish colleges will usually get a heads up first, giving Irish people the first chance to fill the role.

This is a huge advantage to the Irish person looking for a job.

ex6 · 22-08-2010 10:28PM

ahal wrote: »

That's funny, I know 3 Dutch Techies who got turned down for basic Dutch tech. support in Ireland. They used to work for a hard - drive manufacturer.

Are you presuming your 3 dutch guys were the only people applying for the job/jobs? Surely they had "some" competition... :cool:

ahal · 22-08-2010 11:25PM

The Government obviously don't need to do much ... so many are busy trolling :rolleyes:

I have yet to read more than a few examples in the entire thread where someone says "okay, this is what I think" without turning it into a nit-picking personal rant.

It reminds me of the days of Dell minions ...

astrofool · 23-08-2010 08:04AM

ahal wrote: »

The Government obviously don't need to do much ... so many are busy trolling :rolleyes:

I have yet to read more than a few examples in the entire thread where someone says "okay, this is what I think" without turning it into a nit-picking personal rant.

It reminds me of the days of Dell minions ...

Look, if you want to post stupidity, then expect to get taken up on it. The government has plenty of angles to attack it from, but Google, a private company, announcing 200 jobs in Ireland, isn't it.

rumour · 23-08-2010 10:37AM

ahal wrote: »

Hi all,

Am I alone in finding a strange irony in this statement, given that we have nearly half a million people on the dole?

"John Herlihy, Google's vice president of global ad operations, said the office had acted as a magnet for talented employees from across Europe."

Sounds to me a bit like "we're getting what we want, screw the Irish" on the face of it.

Then again, we don't want the jobs ... is that still the matra?

I've read this thread and cannot get to the bottom of your problem. You personally have reacted as opposed to engaged with nearly every poster that has tried to explain that this is only beneficial. I cannot see the downside unless you think Google have some sort of moral obligation to solve the 'live register' problem. Google competes on a global scale, its base for Europe & Africa is in Dublin. Should this only be staffed by Irish?

How long would they last doing that? This company had the choice of any country to set up this business, they came here for two reasons our educated workforce(well documented) and our corporation tax (not so well documented).

We have been warned about our education system for years and now we reap what we sow.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0302/1224265430950.html
http://info-wars.org/2010/03/05/the-dumbing-down-of-irish-third-level-colleges/

Again this company competes globally and I think we should only find it encouraging that they continue to invest here despite our inability too raise our educational standards and take jobs that are available. That is not the fault of google that is the fault of the Irish nation.

I quite simply fail to comphrehend how any negative sentiment can be directed at google in this regard. It is up to us to compete and the challenges are clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rMg-86vA4&feature=related

In an international market we need more skilled linguists. Or are you suggesting Google should change their business????

Please explain your gripe?

gurramok · 23-08-2010 11:44AM

astrofool wrote: »

Did you read your article? It's from 2006, and in any case, it's figures are 70% from foreign countries, which, if this follows, 200 jobs, would mean 60 jobs for Irish people.

Google do a lot more than just call centre from here, there is R+D work going on there as well, which is something that is very difficult to move from one place to another (unlike the box packers at Dell).

Recently ourselves, we've been hiring a bucketload of people, and while we hired a fair few Irish, we ended up going further afield due to the quality coming through.

We also forget that of those 450,000, a feckload were in construction, it's very hard to re-train a labourer to work in a high tech job somewhere like Google, there's no easy solution here, but at minimum, an hons. degree is needed for these jobs, do we have stats on how many of those 450,000 are third level educated?

Our problem is our education system isn't geared enough towards math + science, the points needed to get into these courses has dropped like a stone, bringing in things like bonus points for hons. maths may help, but it needs much more of a concerted effort from schools and their guidance counsellors to make Irish people employable again.

800 employed in 2006. They hired 500 more to make it 1300 after that. The vast majority are still foreign nationals, it doesn't change a thing.

Regarding the education system, it ain't just Maths & Science that has problems, its languages.

Astrofool wrote:

There is a high cost associated with getting in workers from other countries, Visas, relocation costs, risk that they don't settle. If Google, and other MN's set up in Ireland (Microsoft, Seagate, HP, Intel etc.) can find someone from Ireland able to fulfill the role, they will usually get the job, before they go flying in people for interview from other countries. Also, hiring notices go out on the Irish website, and Irish colleges will usually get a heads up first, giving Irish people the first chance to fill the role.

This is a huge advantage to the Irish person looking for a job.

Nope. In Google's case it majorly hires EU nationals who do not require visas(freedom of movement) as Irish people do not possess the foreign techie linguistic skills for these posts. Visa's are not the issue unless its for a minority of jobs where they cannot source that Einstein within the EU for a particular role.

And before anyone says 'you should retrain yourself in a foreign language technically', its not that easy as if your just taking a few French subject in college. You need local ability of the language technically and that takes years to accomplish.

The point still stands that these jobs do nothing for the 450,000 unemployed. That also applies to the present 1.8m workers where the vast majority do not speak technical foreign languages.

rumour wrote:

I quite simply fail to comphrehend how any negative sentiment can be directed at google in this regard. It is up to us to compete and the challenges are clear.

We're not against Google for creating these posts, more jobs the better. We are highly critical of those who think these type of jobs are a solution to the severe unemployment problem we have.

baalthor · 23-08-2010 12:02PM

ahal wrote: »

Apart from the fact that any HR person saying that would be quite racist, sounds like an excuse to outsource jobs. This is where leadership is needed ... sure we need jobs, but large companies need to play by some rules.

It would be racist (and illegal) to only employ German nationals.
However I'm sure the company in question required "native-level proficiency" in German which is a skill.
True, it's a skill much more likely to be held by Germans but it's quite possible for a non-German to speak German at native level as well. The company would have to have a fair and robust way of determining proficiency and they usually achieve this by means of an exam and/or a langauge interview.

And such exams are held for English speakers as well. If a company has English as it's "business language" (and most multinationals do), then all employees must be able to speak the language even if they don't use it on a day to day basis.
This applies even in non-English speaking countries; all Nokia employes for example must be able to speak English even if they never leave Finland.

gandalf · 23-08-2010 12:44PM

gurramok wrote: »

800 employed in 2006. They hired 500 more to make it 1300 after that. The vast majority are still foreign nationals, it doesn't change a thing.

Regarding the education system, it ain't just Maths & Science that has problems, its languages.

Languages are an extreme problem here. For one we are limited to too little choice on Languages in Second Level Education. When I was in School it was French or German and if too many took German then some were refused and had to do French. We are also taught a language that is no use to us outside this country and that should be rectified and made optional with the resources moved to languages that do give people an advantage in the jobs market.

In reality we should be teaching a European Language in our Primary Schools and not waiting for children to hit Secondary level before exposing them to a new language.

We also need to look 10 years down the line and see where future markets are and be educating our children in their languages like Mandarin for example.

Nope. In Google's case it majorly hires EU nationals who do not require visas(freedom of movement) as Irish people do not possess the foreign techie linguistic skills for these posts. Visa's are not the issue unless its for a minority of jobs where they cannot source that Einstein within the EU for a particular role.

And before anyone says 'you should retrain yourself in a foreign language technically', its not that easy as if your just taking a few French subject in college. You need local ability of the language technically and that takes years to accomplish.

Yes and that is what a lot of us are trying to say to the OP. He seems to think that the Government throwing a few quid at FAS or another body will fill this need.

In reality as you point out that is not the case at all.

The point still stands that these jobs do nothing for the 450,000 unemployed. That also applies to the present 1.8m workers where the vast majority do not speak technical foreign languages.

Not directly but having an additional 200 pay packets paying rent, buying goods and entertaining themselves here does have a ripple effect and it will result in some other jobs being created I am sure.

We're not against Google for creating these posts, more jobs the better. We are highly critical of those who think these type of jobs are a solution to the severe unemployment problem we have.

Of course they won't sort out our unemployment problem alone. The majority here are reacting to the OP's assertion that Google are saying screw the Irish by basing the jobs here. This is not the case at all and I am sure an intelligent contributor such as yourself will agree with us on this.

As regards strategies for tackling the serious unemployment problem that has only reared itself into this thread because the OP realised that their arguement that Google is saying screw the Irish was ridiculous in the extreme.

rumour · 23-08-2010 12:50PM

gurramok wrote: »

We're not against Google for creating these posts, more jobs the better. We are highly critical of those who think these type of jobs are a solution to the severe unemployment problem we have.

Could it be you don't like the spin of this being presented as good news?

I acknowledge that it will hardly dent our current unemployment figures. But you better get used to it, this is how we will recover 100 jobs here 100 jobs there. Slow labourious hard work.....

gurramok · 23-08-2010 01:18PM

rumour wrote: »

Could it be you don't like the spin of this being presented as good news?

I acknowledge that it will hardly dent our current unemployment figures. But you better get used to it, this is how we will recover 100 jobs here 100 jobs there. Slow labourious hard work.....

Yes the spin is insulting. With regard to recovering jobs, tell that to the Irish graduates who haven't a hope to get foreign language techie jobs.(assuming these 200 are)

That's whats lost here. Imagine you are a foreigner learning English and have a good grasp of it for everyday general use. Now ask that foreigner to speak technically about the insides of a PC or an electronic PCB board and that person would not be qualified for the role.

However, some foreigners would have the technical grasp as they have come from superior education systems where they learned very good English from kindergarten upwards and also have their local language proficiently in a technical sense.

Reverse the situation and you see how these jobs are useless to the Irish(and British) as we do not have the techie lingo for them. Google could create 50,000 of these jobs, it won't reduce unemployment locally here one iota.

gandalf · 23-08-2010 01:24PM

gurramok wrote: »

Reverse the situation and you see how these jobs are useless to the Irish(and British) as we do not have the techie lingo for them. Google could create 50,000 of these jobs, it won't reduce unemployment locally here one iota.

While it is true that we (and the Brits) are lacking the correct language skills you have to admit if the jobs are based here and if these people are being paid wages in Ireland that some maybe most of that money will filter out into the open economy and will reduce unemployment here accordingly with the jobs that activity creates.

ahal · 23-08-2010 04:00PM

astrofool wrote: »

Look, if you want to post stupidity, then expect to get taken up on it.

I think a lot of what you post is stupidity, but I'm adult enough not to say so because that's what debate is all about. You seem to lose the run of yourself when someone has an opinion alternate to your own. Concentrate on the issue, not me.

astrofool · 23-08-2010 05:37PM

ahal wrote: »

I think a lot of what you post is stupidity, but I'm adult enough not to say so because that's what debate is all about. You seem to lose the run of yourself when someone has an opinion alternate to your own. Concentrate on the issue, not me.

You called everybody a troll.

ahal · 23-08-2010 06:05PM

astrofool wrote: »

You called everybody a troll.

"so many..." = "everybody"?

No, I meant you and a couple of your friends. Trolling is what you're doing right now.

Scofflaw · 23-08-2010 11:13PM

ahal wrote: »

"so many..." = "everybody"?

No, I meant you and a couple of your friends. Trolling is what you're doing right now.

That'll do, I think. Clearly you haven't bothered to read the forum charter, so you can have a three-day ban to give you some reading time.

[EDIT]Upgraded to a week for the abusive PM.[/EDIT]

moderately,
Scofflaw

Permabear · 23-08-2010 11:56PM

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Valmont · 24-08-2010 10:04AM

donegalfella wrote: »

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I know four people who work in the Google headquarters- Three Spaniards and one Italian.

rumour · 24-08-2010 10:08AM

gurramok wrote: »

Yes the spin is insulting. With regard to recovering jobs, tell that to the Irish graduates who haven't a hope to get foreign language techie jobs.(assuming these 200 are)

That's whats lost here. Imagine you are a foreigner learning English and have a good grasp of it for everyday general use. Now ask that foreigner to speak technically about the insides of a PC or an electronic PCB board and that person would not be qualified for the role.

However, some foreigners would have the technical grasp as they have come from superior education systems where they learned very good English from kindergarten upwards and also have their local language proficiently in a technical sense.

Reverse the situation and you see how these jobs are useless to the Irish(and British) as we do not have the techie lingo for them. Google could create 50,000 of these jobs, it won't reduce unemployment locally here one iota.

I'm sorry that Irish graduates are unprepared for the reality of the world today, truly I am. A graduate in my mind should be able to independently think and examine rationally for himself/herself. Clearly they are not trained to do so.
The good graduate will recognise the problem and use all his her skills to ensure a positive outcome. That is what I always thought you were to get out of a third level education. Your education is a mere tool to be employed as you see fit, it is not a right or a guarantee or a ticket to some sort of future.

The fault if it lies anywhere is with our education system and the over reliance on playing the system.

deanh · 24-08-2010 10:32AM

'shared services'. Isn't that just a fancy p.r. spin for a 'call-centre'. 200 jobs are welcome but they are hardly going to solve our economic mess.

Google's 200 new jobs ...

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