P6 ACCA

mozattack · 07-06-2010 04:05PM #1

Did anyone do this exam today. I thought it was very hard - way harder than I expected.

lelly63 · 07-06-2010 04:39PM

I did it today - thought it was very hard but no quite the disaster that I was expecting

mozattack · 07-06-2010 05:07PM

I should be okay. Its my final ACCA and I passed em all 1st time and some were harder, e.g. the last financial accounting one.

Just I am AITI qualified so ya'd think I would walk the exam but I get its a sign of how hard ACCA are... (in comparison to CPA for example)

Dee1980 · 07-06-2010 05:55PM

I tought it was ok, but not overly confident with it. I found there was very little in the way of computation.

mrfuncle · 08-06-2010 09:49AM

Yeah I done this one yesterday too,

found it quite difficult aswell, hopefully got through it ok! I found it was more theory based rather than computational based aswell.

Sure its done and dusted now thank god!

christy c · 08-06-2010 06:53PM

Thought the compulsory parts were very tricky and the options weren't too bad, still though I'll be lucky to scrape through

fotc · 09-06-2010 01:31PM

I'm new to boards but found this thread when I was trying to find any feeback on Monday's P6 paper.

I thought the paper was overly hard and way beyond the standards generally set for this level of exams - and you aren't the first AITI qualified person I've heard of having issues with it which just shows how ridiculous it is!

I am currently talking to my college lecturer trying to put together some kind of formal complaint in advance of the exam board meeting and the beginning of corrections, and I'm trying to do so with help from others who sat the course.

Let me know if this is something anyone on here would add their support to.

On a final note, I contacted the Irish ACCA office looking for the pass rates for the Irish variant P6 but was told that I would not be provided with that information. Does anyone know whether country specific pass rates have ever been published?

LaylaBlack · 09-06-2010 11:29PM

Did P6 paper on Monday - to be honest, I felt the paper was a disgrace - I am IATI qualified and I found the going very tough - there were loads of pitfalls and traps - I cannot seriously see how non-ITI students could prepare for this in a 12 week period.

lelly63 · 10-06-2010 08:53AM

Hi fotc,

I would be interested in joining you in the formal complaint. I know my lecturer along with at least one of the other lectures have complained repeatedly to the ACCA about the examiner and her papers.

He has told us that in some of her past suggested solutions (which the markers use when correcting our papers) there have been mistakes - so you could get the answer right and get no marks because it was not what was on the suggested solution or you could get the answer wrong and get marks for it.

The lecturers were told by ACCA that they would receive a copy of the paper and suggested solution on Monday afternoon and would have 24 hours to review both and issue their recommendations to the examining board. But on Monday they were told that they wouldn't be getting the paper & solution but had until the 23rd of June to issue their report.

We had been told that the Irish pass rate was 27% - I dont know if this is only since this examiner started to write the paper or if this is the general standard over the years

mozattack · 10-06-2010 12:19PM

27% pass rate is a joke...

fotc · 10-06-2010 03:07PM

LaylaBlack wrote: »

Did P6 paper on Monday - to be honest, I felt the paper was a disgrace - I am IATI qualified and I found the going very tough - there were loads of pitfalls and traps - I cannot seriously see how non-ITI students could prepare for this in a 12 week period.

lelly63 wrote: »

Hi fotc,

I would be interested in joining you in the formal complaint. I know my lecturer along with at least one of the other lectures have complained repeatedly to the ACCA about the examiner and her papers.

He has told us that in some of her past suggested solutions (which the markers use when correcting our papers) there have been mistakes - so you could get the answer right and get no marks because it was not what was on the suggested solution or you could get the answer wrong and get marks for it.

The lecturers were told by ACCA that they would receive a copy of the paper and suggested solution on Monday afternoon and would have 24 hours to review both and issue their recommendations to the examining board. But on Monday they were told that they wouldn't be getting the paper & solution but had until the 23rd of June to issue their report.

We had been told that the Irish pass rate was 27% - I dont know if this is only since this examiner started to write the paper or if this is the general standard over the years

mozattack wrote: »

27% pass rate is a joke...

I have been in contact with my lecturer a couple of times since the exam with a view to arranging a formal complaint. He has now viewed the paper and solution and has said that it was a disgrace - a view shared by the lecturers from the main colleges.

A meeting is being arranged for next week so that those who sat P6 can meet and discuss the next steps. If anyone on here is interested in attending - and has not been emailed by their lecturer regarding the meeting - please message me and I will reply in due course with the time and place.

I think it is important that serious and immediate action is taken here but it must be done collectively and coherently to get our point across. Also, I would urge people to inform others they know who sat the paper of what is being planned.

mozattack · 10-06-2010 05:06PM

Sorry to be negative but what's the point?

Also I didnt use a lecturer so who can I complain to?

fotc · 10-06-2010 05:37PM

mozattack wrote: »

Sorry to be negative but what's the point?

Also I didnt use a lecturer so who can I complain to?

Firstly, there's every point. Why do we have to just shut up take it?? This isn't some primary school spelling test, this affects careers! There is unanimous agreement - amongst students AND academics - that the exam was grossly unfair so why can't take a stand on the issue? We have every right to contest this with the ACCA.

I wasn't clear enough earlier on the purpose of the meeting. We're not complaining to the lecturer, the lecturer is the one organising the meeting after calling the paper a disgrace. It doesn't matter if you didn't have a lecturer, the purpose of this is getting P6 students together to make a complaint as a body.

Man007 · 12-06-2010 03:12PM

Fotc I agree completely I thought the exam was a disgrace

I have no problem with a difficult exam but when so much effort is put in and the exam is unfair it is hard to take.

I don't know how this examiner was even allowed to set this paper as there have been numerous complaints about her previous 2 exams and so I thought this one would be better considering the previous complaints.

There was barely any computaions and none of the core areas were examined.

I would definitely be interested in attending any meetings or signing complaints if you could send me the details.

Thanks

PabloIndentes · 12-06-2010 04:34PM

Count me in too, too many minefields in the paper.

Seems she went out of her way to make it as complicated and impractical as possible.

I attended Mel's class in Dublin & theres a meeting next wednesday afaik.

dearg lady · 13-06-2010 09:35AM

Fair play to yis for kicking up a fuss, I do think it's generally an overly tough paper. It was the only ACCA paper I failed, and got it (just about!!!) on a resit last December. As I recall this current paper is only the third the new examiner has set, and she does seem to be tougher than the previous examiner.

Just, with regards to people saying they are AITI qualified, is this the qualification where having ACCA exempts you from part 1 of the qualification? I assumed it would be much much more difficult than ACCA!

fotc · 14-06-2010 10:56AM

Hi all,

it's great to see people getting involved, but it's important that we keep momentum up here, and again I urge everyone to inform anyone they know who sat the paper of what our intentions are.

Pablo, I attended Mel's class too, and the heads of the college are asking that the meeting of P6 students happen early next week so that they can attend. Their presence and support is really important as, together with the support of the lecturers from the other main colleges, it further legitimises our appeal to the ACCA.

In the meantime, I will post the venue, date and time the meeting is taking place as soon as I have received notice.

mozattack · 14-06-2010 12:44PM

dearg lady,

AITI are the tax exams. ACCA exempts you from Part 1, same way I only have to do 9 ACCA exams to qualify (as I am AITI qualified).

It is unusual to do AITI and then do ACCA exams, more people do it the other way around. AITI are meant to be harder but who knows.

My point was that if someone who is AITI qualified and who has worked in tax solely for nine years struggled, surely the bar has been set too high. The level required for tax in ACCA should be far lower that AITI finals.

MCannon · 14-06-2010 03:50PM

There have been a lot of complaints about this examiner and her exam papers since she took over in June 2009. I sat her first p6 paper and passed it with a fantastic 53%. There is nothing you can do now about the exam and complaining about the paper will get you no where.

It is up to the fat cats in Glasgow to do something about it.

The funny thing about it is that the previous examiner was fired for giving papers that were too difficult. The new examiner is way worse!!!

fotc · 14-06-2010 04:25PM

MCannon, you're one of the lucky few, but gladly any P6 exam sitters I have encountered do not share your views when it comes to demanding some rights as a student body.

This has gone way beyond one or two agrieved students complaininig to some ACCA exam helpline.

The complaint is a coordinated effort being made by a large, and growing, number of P6 students together with one of the largest tuition providers in the country, as well as a group of the top P6 lecturers in the country, which combined makes up an interest group the body will not be able to ignore.

There are AITI-qualified individuals and college lecturers agreeing that the paper was a disgrace. So why do we have to just accept this??

So yes, there is EVERY point in making a formal complaint.

santino · 15-06-2010 10:28AM

Hi There Guys,

I sat P6 last week as well. Thought the options weren't too bad but Q 1 and 2 demanded way too much altogether.

It was my 3rd time taking the paper, the most I've ever had to repeat a paper is once.
It's the last paper I need to pass before I'm qualified so obviously I'm more than a little ticked off.

I add my support to anything ye are thinking of doing, as someone mentioned, it's not just an exam, its affecting careers also.

Will someone keep me updated on this and the outcome?
I'm from Limerick so going to a meeting in Dublin might be hard for me but if there was one held in limerick/cork I'd be the first one there.

Thanks...power to the people

dearg lady · 15-06-2010 10:50AM

mozattack wrote: »

dearg lady,

AITI are the tax exams. ACCA exempts you from Part 1, same way I only have to do 9 ACCA exams to qualify (as I am AITI qualified).

It is unusual to do AITI and then do ACCA exams, more people do it the other way around. AITI are meant to be harder but who knows.

My point was that if someone who is AITI qualified and who has worked in tax solely for nine years struggled, surely the bar has been set too high. The level required for tax in ACCA should be far lower that AITI finals.

Thanks mozattack, that's what I thought, I'm just so stunned that it is in fact the case!

fotc · 15-06-2010 10:54AM

Hi Santino,

a meeting is also being arranged in Cork, so I will give you notice of when and where this is taking place as soon as I know myself.

Also, be sure to let anyone else you know who sat the paper aware of the meeting.

fotc · 23-06-2010 12:00PM

Hi all,

a meeting is taking place for P6 exam sitters at 2 locations:

Dublin - Independent Colleges building at 6.30pm on Thursday June 24th

Cork - Independent Colleges building at 6.30pm on Monday June 28th

These meetings are open to ALL P6 exam sitters, not just people who attended Independent Colleges. The college is providing venues for everyone to attend.

As I have said previously on this thread, tell anybody you know who also sat the exam and who would like to take part.

We have been treated really poorly by the ACCA here so it is important that we take a stand on the issue as a body. If we fail to so this treatment will no doubt continue into the future.

santino · 23-06-2010 02:59PM

Hi Fotc,

Where is that meeting taking place in Cork?
Is it in the Metropole Hotel?

fotc · 23-06-2010 03:18PM

Yes, the Cork meeting is in the Metropole.

Maps for both venues:

http://www.independentcolleges.ie/about_us/location.html?menuStates=100

Man007 · 26-06-2010 03:00PM

I couldn't make it to the meeting during the week what was the outcome

santino · 04-07-2010 07:08PM

I didn't make it either, my aunt died last week. Any updates on the outcome/meeting?

santino · 23-08-2010 08:17AM

Got 42% guys. I don't know how to feel. Bitterly disappointed.
How did ye get on?

christy c · 23-08-2010 08:24AM

Just posted in the other thread, got 35, second one to fail and lowest ever. Think that examiner is taking the p*ss

Man007 · 23-08-2010 08:49AM

How's it goin lads got a 36 which was also my worst ever.

Before this only failed one and still got 47. Got P3 so not too bad don't think gonna bother sitting tax again exam will be just as unfair

Gonna switch to P4 instead

P6 ACCA

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