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Interesting - wikileaks founder accused of rape.

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  • #62
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    dsmythy wrote: »
    I'd be more worried if women didn't report that they had been raped or sexually assaulted......



    I agree they should be punished for falsely accusing someone of rape if that proves to be the case. If it were true well sex offenders are sex offenders. Sometimes they can't control themselves and stupidity ensues.

    I agree people should be punished for false accusations, but I dont think they do it much; for fear it may influence an actual victim into not coming forward. Its hard enough for people to go through the procedure of bringing a case like that to the court, and the years of wrangling that comes with it. Fear that THEY may go to jail if the case goes extremly badly would definitly factor in.

    Might do it if, say, there is a video or multiple witnesses to Assange being on the other side of the country at the time of the alleged rape. Would have to be incredibly concrete Im sure.


  • #63
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    I think every media (website at least) should cite their sources, would be a nice change of pace. But just because they show the scources, does not mean the analysis is unbiased. It certainly helps though.

    While every news article should provide source information (not name sources though) how many actually do, at least with WikiLeaks if they have get something wrong then anyone can call bull**** by highlighting the source material as to where the error/spin doctoring in analysis lies.
    Just as an example, the video "Collateral Murder", you may agree that is what it was, however the very name is giving a spin on the video.

    Perhaps but it could be argued (and has been on other threads so lets not start here ;)) that the soldiers did in fact murder innocent people in that video. Again they provided the source material and debate ensued over the video on whether or not the act was justified. I applaud them for this since if there was no WikiLeaks then all that would have been reported was sanatised American version that they had killed a few evil insurgents instead of unarmed civilians (Not all were unarmed though)


  • #64
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    It sounds to me more like the typical scenario of some bint (or two in this case) getting paid a very nice sum of cash, for giving some tabloid exclusive rights to a story of alleged rape, when it's all complete bullshit.

    The motives behind it (who put them up to it) are very debatable; could have been a very wide range of people, as the guy has a lot of enemies.
    Could also just be as simple as the tabloid wanting to fabricate a well earning story for themselves.
    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    The things he says sometimes strike me as inappropriate, bordering on the ideological. Wikileaks would be much more effective to me if it just stuck to releaseing the information, not heavily editing it and adding theirr own analysis (plenty of people do THAT already).
    The Iraq video and Afghanistan documents would have had far less media impact if they had simply just released the documents; part of the aim for the WikiLeaks guys, is to take leaked information and make efforts to have it released with the most effect (i.e. greatest amount of media coverage).

    They have been extremely successful at doing this so far, and the more high-profile WikiLeaks gets, the more people will learn about them and will leak important material to them.


    As for the insurance file; idk, if it contains the remaining 15,000 Afghanistan documents, and those are in unredacted form (which they are, as they're still being processed), then they will only give out the password as a last resort.

    Chances are the contents of the insurance file will be released separately over time, and the password for it will never be released.


  • #65
    ilovemybrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭ilovemybrick


    http://bit.ly/b1iH2Z

    Arrest Warrant apparently withdrawn. World is getting weird.


  • #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Swedish authorities have cancelled an arrest warrant for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange on accusations of rape and molestation.
    The Swedish Prosecution Authority website said the chief prosecutor had come to the decision that Mr Assange was not suspected of rape.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

    very 'wtf?'. I'd say yer man Assange has a court case in it too.....


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  • #67
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    It's all a bit like the possibly apocryphal story of Lyndon Johnson's 1st election run for Congress. His main rival bred pedigree pigs and LBJ instructed his campaign manager to start a rumour that the rival was in the habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his favourite sow.

    The aghast sidekick said "Jesus, Lyndon, we can't convince people he's a pig fcuker!", to which he replied "Yeah, but let's make him deny it . . . "


  • #68
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    What will happen to the women who made the groundless claims, will they be charged with anything? They should be strung up and made an example of IMO.


  • #69
    Táck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Táck


    assange is a clever man.

    if you're reading this Julian (hi, i'm like, totally you're biggest fan), just hop a plane to switzerland and give Roman Polanski a call.


  • #70
    Saibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭Saibh


    Scriptwriters in hollywood will get a few stories out of this...


  • #71
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    /sets DVR for O'Reilly Factor


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  • #72
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Táck wrote: »
    assange is a clever man.

    if you're reading this Julian (hi, i'm like, totally you're biggest fan), just hop a plane to switzerland and give Roman Polanski a call.

    What has an admitted pedo got to do with this case?


  • #73
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Sky News says he has no case to answer. It looks like someone was trying to blacken his name. I wonder who?


  • #74
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Swedish prosecutors withdrew an arrest warrant for the founder of WikiLeaks on Saturday, saying less than a day after the document was issued that it was based on an unfounded accusation of rape.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/21/world/main6793072.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

    ...Obviously it didn't go 'check facts, then issue warrant'.....


  • #75
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Do the CIA have agents / friends / sleepers in every country willing to do anything if asked?


  • #76
    franklyshocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭franklyshocked


    So does sweden have extradition laws with America?

    So the CIA Pay some hookers to make a charge, Asange gets called back to sweden and then get extradited to the US for the wikileaks site when the rape charges disappear. Soon after the girls disappear too


  • #77
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    Nodin wrote: »
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/21/world/main6793072.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

    ...Obviously it didn't go 'check facts, then issue warrant'.....

    Looks like he's dyed his hair to help aid his escape from the law :D


  • #78
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    WikiLeaks said on Twitter: "We were warned to expect 'dirty tricks.' Now we have the first one."
    link: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/WikiLeaks-Founder-Julian-Assange-Accused-Of-Rape-In-Sweden-Prosecutor-Says/Article/201008315701246?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15701246_WikiLeaks_Founder_Julian_Assange_Accused_Of_Rape_In_Sweden%2C_Prosecutor_Says

    Looking that way alright!


  • #79
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Just what were the Swedish prosecutors thinking in releasing the warrant if there were unsatisfactory facts to back the claim up, especially for a sex crime, as mud tends to stick even if the claim is unfounded.


  • #80
    shuyin1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭shuyin1


    Should/could he sue for defamation?


  • #81
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This wont affect his reputation at all.. Completely pointless.


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  • #82
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    shuyin1 wrote: »
    Should/could he sue for defamation?

    Something tells me he wouldn't sue for defamation. I reckon pressure will be put on those responsible though


  • #83
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    karma_ wrote: »
    Just what were the Swedish prosecutors thinking in releasing the warrant if there were unsatisfactory facts to back the claim up, especially for a sex crime, as mud tends to stick even if the claim is unfounded.

    If girls claim they were raped, they have a duty to investigate it. Which would usually mean getting the suspect in....


  • #84
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Mark200 wrote: »
    If girls claim they were raped, they have a duty to investigate it. Which would usually mean getting the suspect in....

    Some difference in investigating something and releasing an arrest warrant on what appears to have been little or no actual evidence.


  • #85
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    The British Times have also confirmed the dropping of the charges.
    Charges of rape against Julian Assange, founder of the WikiLeaks website, have been withdrawn this afternoon by Swedish prosecutors only a hours after they issued a warrant for his arrest.

    Mr Assange denied the claims, dismissing them as “dirty tricks”.

    Eva Finné, Chief Prosecutor of Stockholm, confirmed that he was no longer wanted. “I do not find any reason to suspect that he has committed rape,” she said in a statement.

    However, the warrant related to one count of rape and one of molestation, and a spokeswoman for the prosecutors’ office said that while “all the charges concerning rape have been lifted”, the police investigation continued.

    So it sounds like the Swedish police might be looking into those that did the accusing!


  • #86
    murrayp4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭murrayp4


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/21/julian-assange-wikileaks-arrest-warrant-sweden


  • #87
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    See: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056006902 :)


  • #88
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    karma_ wrote: »
    Some difference in investigating something and releasing an arrest warrant on what appears to have been little or no actual evidence.

    Is premature issuing of a warrant grounds for defamation though? Thats an actual question, its definitly very unproffesional.


  • #89
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    franklyshocked wrote: »
    So does sweden have extradition laws with America?

    So the CIA Pay some hookers to make a charge, Asange gets called back to sweden and then get extradited to the US for the wikileaks site when the rape charges disappear. Soon after the girls disappear too

    That makes no sense, he was already in the country, if they planned on extraditing him, it would have been done. He would have been prosecuted in Sweden.


  • #90
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    Is premature issuing of a warrant grounds for defamation though? Thats an actual question, its definitly very unproffesional.

    I don't think that would be enough to bring a case of defamation in fairness.


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  • #91
    Táck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Táck


    karma_ wrote: »
    What has an admitted pedo got to do with this case?


    extradition, or lack of


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