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Interesting - wikileaks founder accused of rape.

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  • #32
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    dan719 wrote: »
    Goodbye moral superiority from this twat. Thank god. Wonder how many deaths in Afghanistan he'll end up responsible for. As for the soldier who is facing the death penalty..............what did he expect?

    Why would the CIA bother to falsify rape allegations? Far easier ways of getting rid of people.

    /end drunken rant

    twat


  • #33
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Feel sorry for the girls, whos word will be doubted by millions purely because they were abused by some guy with a high profile who the American goverment dosent like. Sad really. If its true ¬.¬


  • #34
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    TimTim wrote: »
    He is currently far too high profile to silence him, destroy his reputation and people will stop listening to him and eventually he'll fade in to the background.

    If someone decides to take action against him after that has happened there wouldn't be the same level of publicity over it.

    I doubt the CIA would have a problem bumping him off anyway. Why would they care if a bunch of people suspect them?


  • #35
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sounds like a load of bollocks. If the allegations are found to be false, the two women should get 10 years for attempted character assassination. Why would he want to jeopardize the most important whistle-blower project in the history of the world?


  • #36
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Sounds like a load of bollocks. If the allegations are found to be false, the two women should get 10 years for attempted character assassination. Why would he want to jeopardize the most important whistle-blower project in the history of the world?
    Indeed.
    While we will have to wait till the evidence is in or a guilty verdict, he has never come across as being that stupid to do something as what he's accused with, especially at the present time.
    Then again, we are all only human at the end of the day and make mistakes to some difference of degree.

    My mind is currently open to this situation till we learn more - if we do.


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  • #37
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Sounds like a load of bollocks. If the allegations are found to be false, the two women should get 10 years for attempted character assassination. Why would he want to jeopardize the most important whistle-blower project in the history of the world?

    Never a shortage of idiots willing to fall on a sword for a few quid. Unfortunately.


  • #38
    last name ever. first name greatest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭last name ever. first name greatest


    He is a bit of a weird looking albino type cnut though.

    I wouldn't like to be sitting beside him on a bus :/


  • #39
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    last name ever. first name greatest wrote: »
    He is a bit of a weird looking albino type cnut though.

    I wouldn't like to be sitting beside him on a bus :/

    Ha! Id second that.


  • #40
    nommm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭nommm


    Hopefully Wikileaks won't stop doing it's great work. They must show that they will not be silenced.
    last name ever. first name greatest wrote: »
    He is a bit of a weird looking albino type cnut though.

    I wouldn't like to be sitting beside him on a bus :/

    Are you serious? I don't even ...


  • #41
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    He was supposed to start writing for one of the leading newspapers in Sweden.
    This has stopped that. He is also named with photo in the paper which is almost unheard of in Sweden unless you've been convicted (Swedish papers hardly ever give out personal information before a conviction).


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  • #42
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    biko wrote: »
    He is also named with photo in the paper which is almost unheard of in Sweden unless you've been convicted (Swedish papers hardly ever give out personal information before a conviction).

    I'd imagine things are very different when the person involved is famous.


  • #43
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Mark200 wrote: »
    I'd imagine things are very different when the person involved is famous.
    Yea, they move to Switzerland and are protected by the government from being extradited back to the States for sex crimes.


  • #44
    Pauleta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Pauleta


    Ive always found the chap very creepy.


  • #45
    Saibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭Saibh


    Pauleta wrote: »
    Ive always found the chap very creepy.
    Have you met him?


  • #46
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Pauleta wrote: »
    Ive always found the chap very creepy.

    Surprise, surprise, the familiar names start to crawl out of teh woodwork.


  • #47
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Saibh wrote: »
    Have you met him?

    He is a big enough public figure for people to have formed an opinion of his personality. Although I agree with what his organisation does he IS creepy.

    And probablly the most self-righteous man Ive listened to in a while.


  • #48
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    He is a big enough public figure for people to have formed an opinion of his personality. Although I agree with what his organisation does he IS creepy.

    And probablly the most self-righteous man Ive listened to in a while.

    How is he creepy?

    Is it the colour of his hair?

    Is it what he does?


  • #49
    Adamisconfused
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Adamisconfused


    If this is a CIA operation then the "insurance" file from wikileaks mustn't be too devastating to the States. Obviously, they will have cracked the code by now and have analysed the data within.


  • #50
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Adamisconfused wrote: »
    ...Obviously, they will have cracked the code by now and have analysed the data within.
    Actually if you know anything about encryption you would know that the AES coding system is based apon the underlying architechural coding structure of "Rijendael"

    If a long, complex password that does not contain words from any language or dictionary is chosen or even partly so, with current processing ability the Universe will cease to exist before you get close to cracking it - and that includes the use of "Big Blue" or the underground field size server rooms of the NSA to help.


  • #51
    Brendog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Brendog


    he wikileaked alright....


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  • #52
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    karma_ wrote: »
    How is he creepy?

    Is it the colour of his hair?

    Is it what he does?

    The things he says sometimes strike me as inappropriate, bordering on the ideological. Wikileaks would be much more effective to me if it just stuck to releaseing the information, not heavily editing it and adding theirr own analysis (plenty of people do THAT already).

    Its more a combination of the hair style and colour. Sleezy.

    Didnt I just say I agreed with what he does?

    Your quite the fan arent you?


  • #53
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    The things he says sometimes strike me as inappropriate, bordering on the ideological. Wikileaks would be much more effective to me if it just stuck to releaseing the information, not heavily editing it and adding theirr own analysis (plenty of people do THAT already).

    Its more a combination of the hair style and colour. Sleezy.

    Didnt I just say I agreed with what he does?

    Your quite the fan arent you?

    You just described any number of politicians.

    I think what he does is important, yes. However you're the one who branded him 'creepy', I just called on you to back it up, and you made a half hearted attempt to defend your statement.


  • #54
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Biggins wrote: »
    Actually if you know anything about encryption you would know that the AES coding system is based apon the underlying architechural coding structure of "Rijendael"

    If a long, complex password that does not contain words from any language or dictionary is chosen or even partly so, with current processing ability the Universe will cease to exist before you get close to cracking it - and that included the use of "Big Blue" or the underground field size server rooms of the NSA.

    Whilst Im not questioning what your saying (I have no idea about that stuff) I would question the effectivness of an "insurance" when the people you are blackmailing dont know what is in it. Im sure the CIA assume that if it is incredibly explosive, wikileaks would have released it by now anyway.


  • #55
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    karma_ wrote: »
    You just described any number of politicians.

    I think what he does is important, yes. However you're the one who branded him 'creepy', I just called on you to back it up, and you made a half hearted attempt to defend your statement.

    I know. I really dont care if you dont find him creepy. You just asked why I did. If you find it "half-hearted", again, I really dont care.


  • #56
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    Whilst Im not questioning what your saying (I have no idea about that stuff) I would question the effectivness of an "insurance" when the people you are blackmailing dont know what is in it. Im sure the CIA assume that if it is incredibly explosive, wikileaks would have released it by now anyway.
    Have a look HERE if just to see how complex the coding system is.

    As for releasing it by now, maybe, just maybe, they have not released some data for fear of overstepping for the sake of self-gratification, possible repercussions of a legal nature from various countries and/or agencies both known and secret, etc.
    There are many reasons why they have not released the locked information yet and we can only keep guessing for the moment, why this is so.
    One thing for sure, they are not doing it for light reasons.


  • #57
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    The things he says sometimes strike me as inappropriate, bordering on the ideological. Wikileaks would be much more effective to me if it just stuck to releaseing the information, not heavily editing it and adding theirr own analysis (plenty of people do THAT already).

    Its more a combination of the hair style and colour. Sleezy.

    Didnt I just say I agreed with what he does?

    Your quite the fan arent you?


    They only started adding comments because they had all this info uploaded and lazy journalists were'nt picking up on it. They had to literally spoonfeed these hacks by saying what the document was about and why it was important by providing their own analysis**. Oh and by the way all the source material is up on the website so anyone can check the veracity of their claims so your assertion that they are are akin to Sky news by giving the info an ideological slant is made of fail.

    **Off to go find link where Assange says this in a video

    EDIT: Here you go:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBENlJfZ-f8


  • #58
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    They only started adding comments because they had all this info uploaded and lazy journalists were'nt picking up on it. They had to literally spoonfeed these hacks by saying what the document was about and why it was important by providing their own analysis**. Oh and by the way all the source material is up on the website so anyone can check the veracity of their claims so your assertion that they are are akin to Sky news by giving the info an ideological slant is made of fail.

    **Off to go find link where Assange says this in a video

    Again, they find something important so they emphasis what they believe is the most importnat bits in a story. They may well be right, but then I see that as aligning themselves more with what the conventional media do.

    I think every media (website at least) should cite their scources, would be a nice change of pace. But just because they show the scources, does not mean the analysis is unbiased. It certainly helps though.

    Just as an example, the video "Collateral Murder", you may agree that is what it was, however the very name is giving a spin on the video. Would you disagree with that? There are definitly a hell of a lot worse media scources out there, but then Wikileaks goal is different than your traditional news agency.

    Thanks for the link.


  • #59
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,589 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Fuzzy wrote: »
    Even for the CIA to pay a couple of girls to have sex with the guy then cry rape...
    Two girls from different towns both went to the police at the same time?
    Did they know each other? It is unusual that BOTH of them made complaints to the police.
    It seems a bit clumsy even for the CIA to try that, but for sure I wouldn't put it past them.

    I'd be more worried if women didn't report that they had been raped or sexually assaulted......
    dlofnep wrote: »
    Sounds like a load of bollocks. If the allegations are found to be false, the two women should get 10 years for attempted character assassination. Why would he want to jeopardize the most important whistle-blower project in the history of the world?

    I agree they should be punished for falsely accusing someone of rape if that proves to be the case. If it were true well sex offenders are sex offenders. Sometimes they can't control themselves and stupidity ensues.


  • #60
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    Again, they find something important so they emphasis what they believe is the most importnat bits in a story. They may well be right, but then I see that as aligning themselves more with what the conventional media do.

    I think every media (website at least) should cite their scources, would be a nice change of pace. But just because they show the scources, does not mean the analysis is unbiased. It certainly helps though.

    Just as an example, the video "Collateral Murder", you may agree that is what it was, however the very name is giving a spin on the video. Would you disagree with that? There are definitly a hell of a lot worse media scources out there, but then Wikileaks goal is different than your traditional news agency.

    Thanks for the link.

    I agree with everything you said, except the part where they should cite their sources. What their sources did to obtain this information is more often than not illegal, so naming sources just really isn't feasible for a website like wikileaks.


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  • #61
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Mark200 wrote: »
    I agree with everything you said, except the part where they should cite their sources. What their sources did to obtain this information is more often than not illegal, so naming sources just really isn't feasible for a website like wikileaks.

    Good point. But when it is doable without threatening their scources (although that would take alot of trust on both sides Im sure.)

    So for example if you received a confidental goverment report, you could release the report without saying where exactly you got it.

    Probably not possible all the time (or even most), but an effort could be made.


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