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Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

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  • #392
    haveablast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭haveablast


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055617478&page=3


  • #393
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    haveablast wrote: »
    I doubt that - unless you're getting 120 quid's worth of Solpadeine a month?

    If the doctor's okay with this, there's not a lot the pharmacy can do I guess. They were only trying to help I'm sure.

    Technically they could refuse to give the drugs. A Doctor has no power in forcing a Pharmacist to dispense anything.

    However, from a monetary perspective it's better to go along with what's on the Rx ..


  • #394
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭gbee


    haveablast wrote: »
    I doubt that - unless you're getting 120 quid's worth of Solpadeine a month?

    Obviously, not just Solpadeine, we are getting a fair bit of medicines already but it's saving us about €28 a month now.

    Magically negating the additional €20 a month they [government] imposed ~ so, you know I'll stop complaining I think.


  • #395
    markiemark2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭markiemark2005


    penguin88 wrote: »
    I know it's been mentioned a few times, but likening buying Solpadeine/Nurofen Plus to ordering a few pints is ridiculous. These products are not recreational drugs like alcohol, they are medicines that are licensed for use to treat pain in particular circumstances. If these circumstances/conditions are not met, then it's not legal to supply or use them.

    I don't like to say this, and I'm not trying to accuse any posters of anything, but being willing to order such medicines online or to travel up North just to avoid having to have a conversation with a pharmacist and answer a few questions are kinda suggestive of drug-seeking behaviour, common in addiction.

    I am not an addict, I use it when I get a nasty hangover. I have a stomach ulcer and the other drugs for pain relieve give my stomach some grief. I dont see why I should be made suffer because some others are addicted to codine.


  • #396
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When did they figure putting something that turns into morphine in your system and has similar addictive properties to heroin would be a good choice for an over the counter medicine?


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  • #397
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭gbee


    ronoc wrote: »
    When did they figure putting something that turns into morphine in your system and has similar addictive properties to heroin would be a good choice for an over the counter medicine?

    Funny you should say that, I'm sure in the USA we'd have a class action against the Government for just this reason.


  • #398
    Kurtosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    markiemark2005 wrote: »
    I am not an addict, I use it when I get a nasty hangover. I have a stomach ulcer and the other drugs for pain relieve give my stomach some grief. I dont see why I should be made suffer because some others are addicted to codine.

    Are you saying plain paracetamol aggravates your stomach? If you're suffering from an ulcer, paracetamol is the most suitable pain reliever to use for headaches etc. The caffeine in the likes of Solpadeine would have the potential to irritate stomach ulcers.

    I don't think anyone is making you suffer, no one is forcing you to keep having drinks until you get a "nasty hangover".


  • #399
    markiemark2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭markiemark2005


    penguin88 wrote: »
    Are you saying plain paracetamol aggravates your stomach? If you're suffering from an ulcer, paracetamol is the most suitable pain reliever to use for headaches etc. The caffeine in the likes of Solpadeine would have the potential to irritate stomach ulcers.

    I don't think anyone is making you suffer, no one is forcing you to keep having drinks until you get a "nasty hangover".

    I have not had problems from solphadine any time I have used it. Yes, nobody forces me to get a hangover, somethings there can be hangovers from drinking a few drinks.

    Solphaine works for me, I am not addicted to it as I would by a max of 2 packs a year.

    If its so dangerous then make a prescription only drug.

    As with everything in this country, I'd love to know if there is an alternative money making agenda at play on this one.


  • #400
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭gbee


    markiemark2005 wrote: »
    As with everything in this country, I'd love to know if there is an alternative money making agenda at play on this one.

    Forcing people to visit the GP? Stories making the papers also say that the local GP is suffering because patients taken off the medical card are not visiting them [as often].

    Other stories say that patients are suffering pain and discomfort because they cannot afford the €40~€70 doctor's visitation fee.

    Will that do for a start to support you theory? :)


  • #401
    Kurtosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    markiemark2005 wrote: »
    I have not had problems from solphadine any time I have used it. Yes, nobody forces me to get a hangover, somethings there can be hangovers from drinking a few drinks.

    Solphaine works for me, I am not addicted to it as I would by a max of 2 packs a year.

    If its so dangerous then make a prescription only drug.

    As with everything in this country, I'd love to know if there is an alternative money making agenda at play on this one.

    Fair enough if Solpadeine works for you, but from the information you gave on your visit to a pharmacy, the pharmacist felt that selling it to you then was not appropriate for whatever reason. It is a second-line pain treatment, so perhaps this could have been the reason.

    Any drug, whether over the counter or on prescription is potentially dangerous, these guidelines are trying to minimise the potential of codeine-containing products to cause harm.


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  • #402
    Kurtosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    gbee wrote: »
    Forcing people to visit the GP? Stories making the papers also say that the local GP is suffering because patients taken off the medical card are not visiting them [as often].

    Other stories say that patients are suffering pain and discomfort because they cannot afford the €40~€70 doctor's visitation fee.

    Will that do for a start to support you theory? :)

    Over the counter medicines are there in order to treat uncomplicated symptoms/conditions on a short-term basis. Anything other than that and people should be examined by a doctor who can recommend and supervise treatment. It may get to a stage in the future where more can be done by a pharmacist (wider range of products without a prescription, re-issuing repeat prescription medicines once certain criteria are filled) but for now, they can only supply over the counter medicines in accordance with their licensed use.


  • #403
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭gbee


    penguin88 wrote: »
    Over the counter medicines are there in order to treat uncomplicated symptoms ...................

    But, but what's this reply to do with the conspiracy theory raised by markiemark2005?


  • #404
    Tryst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭Tryst


    penguin88 wrote: »
    Are you saying plain paracetamol aggravates your stomach? If you're suffering from an ulcer, paracetamol is the most suitable pain reliever to use for headaches etc. The caffeine in the likes of Solpadeine would have the potential to irritate stomach ulcers.

    I don't think anyone is making you suffer, no one is forcing you to keep having drinks until you get a "nasty hangover".

    NSAID's should not be used to treat stomach ulcer pain, they cause bleeding of the gastorintestinal tract.


  • #405
    Kurtosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    gbee wrote: »
    But, but what's this reply to do with the conspiracy theory raised by markiemark2005?

    It's more to do with the conspiracy theory you seem to be raising. You suggested that these guidelines were forcing people to go to the GP. There is no change in legislation here, people have always had to, and still have to after these new guidelines, go to their GP if they need over the counter medicines outside of their licensed indications (i.e. short term use, uncomplicated symptoms). I feel as if I am repeating myself...


  • #406
    Kurtosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    Tryst wrote: »
    NSAID's should not be used to treat stomach ulcer pain, they cause bleeding of the gastorintestinal tract.

    Very true. That's why I said paracetamol is the most suitable drug to use for headaches etc. for someone who is suffering from an ulcer.


  • #407
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    gbee wrote: »
    But, but what's this reply to do with the conspiracy theory raised by markiemark2005?

    No conspiracy. Regulations have been brought in to prevent people like your wife destroying their livers/stomachs etc through years of abuse of OTC medication. That is it in a nutshell!


  • #408
    wicklowstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭wicklowstar


    But surely there must be some other way?

    I cant afford to visit a doctor and now I cant get nurofen!
    Get them up north at christmas...
    Great for period pain. Only thing that works... ever!

    Wont the people abusing these drugs just find something else..


  • #409
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    The GSK rep that visited us expected a fall off of at least 70% on sales of codeine containing products and that whilst some of this may be recouped, they don't expect to make it all back.

    I would presume it would be the same for other companies.


  • #410
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    wicklowstar wrote: »
    But surely there must be some other way?

    I cant afford to visit a doctor and now I cant get nurofen!



    Pay attention, you can get Nurofen and Nurofen plus over the counter at any pharmacy in the country.


  • #411
    haveablast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭haveablast


    markiemark2005 wrote: »
    I have not had problems from solphadine any time I have used it. Yes, nobody forces me to get a hangover, somethings there can be hangovers from drinking a few drinks.

    Solphaine works for me, I am not addicted to it as I would by a max of 2 packs a year.

    If its so dangerous then make a prescription only drug.

    As with everything in this country, I'd love to know if there is an alternative money making agenda at play on this one.

    The opposite surely? Think of the money the pharmacies are losing, not to mention to companies who make these products...


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  • #412
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    gbee wrote: »
    And the government, my words here about heroine are not mine,

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/overthecounter-addictions-soaring-doctor-warns-1372359.html

    It was recommended that a programme be put in place, there is none. So what are we supposed to do? Five years later, no programme no, consultation and a situation where one's previous friendly pharmacy turns sour.

    Very few people addicted to OTC codeine end up on methadone programmes. Personally I have only ever had 2 clients on methadone for OTC codeine, thats with over 13 years of work in the Addiction Services. However, I do treat 10-15 people a year for such addictions; my own view is that I disagree with the new system. When are we going to try help people with such problems, rather than making things more difficult. Once again personally, I would say within safe boundaries, give people what they need.

    People tend to abuse drugs because there are other issues operating in the background. Supply people with the chemicals they need, and try to address the background problems. In some cases, it is better to leave the person with their drug, helping people become drug free is great; but it is not the best solution for everybody.


  • #413
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Glad i bought 750 tylenol in the US now


  • #414
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    bleg wrote: »
    Pay attention, you can get Nurofen and Nurofen plus over the counter at any pharmacy in the country.

    Not in Boots. The pharmacist wouldn't give me Nurofen Plus for a migraine last week. He said they only offer Nurofen fast acting instead. He said that they have to restrict the use of codeine products and won't offer them to treat most pains.

    He told me to take Nurofen fast acting and come back if the migraine persists. Tbh if i still had a migraine by the next day, I'd go to the doctor in case something is really wrong.


  • #415
    wicklowstar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭wicklowstar


    bleg wrote: »
    Pay attention, you can get Nurofen and Nurofen plus over the counter at any pharmacy in the country.
    I didnt mean now!
    Like when a prescription is needed!


  • #416
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Glad i bought 750 tylenol in the US now

    That's just Paracetamol. You can buy that in every petrol station and Spar shop in the country..


  • #417
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Not in Boots. The pharmacist wouldn't give me Nurofen Plus for a migraine last week. He said they only offer Nurofen fast acting instead. He said that they have to restrict the use of codeine products and won't offer them to treat most pains.

    He told me to take Nurofen fast acting and come back if the migraine persists. Tbh if i still had a migraine by the next day, I'd go to the doctor in case something is really wrong.

    You can get Nurofen Plus in EVERY pharmacy in the country. The pharmacist chose not to give you Nurofen Plus, that does not mean that they don't sell it.


  • #418
    markiemark2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭markiemark2005


    haveablast wrote: »
    The opposite surely? Think of the money the pharmacies are losing, not to mention to companies who make these products...

    Depends on the profit margins on the other products.

    Just how many codine addicts are there in Ireland?


  • #419
    ebixa82
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    markiemark2005 wrote: »
    Depends on the profit margins on the other products.

    Just how many codine addicts are there in Ireland?

    86 people were admitted for treatment of codeine addiction in 2009.

    However that says nothing of the actual number. Addicts can be sub-divided into:

    1) Those who know they are addicted and chose not to get treatment, of which there are 100's, and..

    2) Those who do not even realise they are addicted, of which there are 1000's..
    (These are people who might take two every morning to start the day, or two at night to help them sleep etc.)


  • #420
    policeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭policeman


    My mum's friend used to work for a pharmaceutical company in 60's/70's where they made pure codeine tablets. Apparenty there were jars of the stuff lying around the offices.None of the staff ever got headaches, and it was a very very relaxed, stress free environment :)

    Now what about a bit of honesty with all this drug stuff -

    YOU:"Hello, I'd like some codeine containing pills please"

    PHARMACIST:"Is it for yourself? Can I ask why you are taking them?"

    "Yeah, well I gobble about 4 or 5 at once, and after about 20 mins they give me a lovely numb, anxiety/worry free feeling.While everyone else is running around like total nutcases getting wound up about money, recession bollix and careers, and stress at the office and keeping up with the Jones's and a multitude of daily frivolous and ultimately inconsequential ****e, and trying to make me join the club... I.....feel nice and calm...

    My anti-drepressants are crap and over priced, and anyway SSRI's effectiveness have often been questioned. Opiates are the way to go.
    God didn't give us the poppy for nothing, you know.

    ..so, there you go..Now can I have 20 boxes of nurofen plus please? Isn't it a real pity they mix it with that bloody ibuprofen or paracetamol which poisons and destroys my insides..?

    Actually come to think of it you don't have any type of filter papers do you?"

    PHARMACIST: [stunned]


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  • #421
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Could someone tell me if codeine and difene are the same . - and does ibruprofen do the same job as difene ?


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