Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

RATM · 17-08-2010 12:17AM

Oh christ, what is this- the Spanish Inquisition?

Why did you not buy Paracetamol along with the ibuprofen? Much more effective than Nurofen Plus.

As I already stated, and I quote:

I explained to her that when I had back and muscular pain last year the only painkiller that worked for me was Nurofen Plus and that my arm and shoulder was giving me the exact same problems- muscular pain

2) Do you really think 25mg of codeine would have stopped you "writhing in pain"?

I was in pain simply because everytime I rolled over in bed my whole arm sparked up in throbbing. I've had this type of pain in my back before and yes, Nurofen worked FOR ME.

You were in a motorcycle accident and you chose not to seek medical attention from a GP or at a hospital?
As I said and say yet again (is there a theme developing here?) I was not prepared to wait crazy hours at A&E. My sister ( a doctor in Beaumount ) informed me it was a minimum 4 hour wait yesterday. A doctor call out would have cost me at least 70 quid and thats money I don't have. Welcome to Ireland 2010.

You have a job and so should have paid 60-70e to do so. How much money did you lose by not going to work?

I lost no money. I work for free on the FAS Work PLacement Scheme. So I can't lose what I never had.

4) Why did you not try another pharmacy?

Simply because by this stage my arm was so stiff that riding my (crashed) motorbike 2 miles to the next pharmacy was a completely bad idea. I just wanted to get home, felt ragged and disorientatied ,was in shock, not thinking straight and just wanted to lie down. Thats how you feel after coming off a motorbike and smashing your body off tarmac, you don't have the luxury of a cage around you like in a car.
I took the Nurofen for 3 hours and still felt pain so went back to the pharmacy at 5.55pm to be refused again. By that stage even I couldve gone to another pharmacy I couldn't have- she said all pharmacies around close at 6pm.
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I had gone to the same pharmacy to see the same pharmacist- twice. Was that not enough for the pharmacist to see I was clearly in pain and distress after crashing a motorbike? Or perhaps my ripped and soiled jacket might have made her click that I was telling the truth about coming off my motorbike? Or the look of shock and my disorientated demeanor?

Over-zealous tbh, I'm still considering lodging a complaint. Becasue what she thought was 'in my best interests' clearly wasn't in my best interests. I informed her Nurofen Plus are what works for me when I have muscular pain which I clearly had there and then. I was polite at all points in our conversation and yet I got no-where. My only regret now is I didn't scream my head off in the shop and tear my clothes off to reveal my bleeding knees and elbows.

Alicat · 17-08-2010 02:26AM

TBH, when anyone says that Solpadeine or Nurofen plus are the "only ones that work for [them]" my suspicions are aroused immediately. The codeine doesn't give that much of a kick to the analgesic properties of either tablet. Why not try the suggested combination of Nurofen and Paracetamol? Just because you felt that they didn't work for you before, doesn't mean they wouldn't work this time.

I know you were distressed after the crash, but the sensible thing would be to follow the initial advice of the pharmacist, and if that failed you could either consult the pharmacist again or see a doctor. As none of this is quite law yet, you are perfectly entitled to try another pharmacy. Pharmacists must act upon their own initiative and decide what is best for each and every one of their patients. It is a HUGE responsibility and one that must be taken seriously.

If they reclassified Nurofen Plus and Solpadeine as prescription-only-items (which has been talked about), what would you do? You would have no other option than to try the suggested over-the-counter remedies or go see a doctor. This is nearly the same; the new regulations have strict guidelines to the sale of all codeine-containing products. You can kick up as much stink as you like, but codeine-containing products have been very much abused over the past years and need to be controlled more. Unfortunately for the rest of us, it means that we lose the option of these products.

You have absolutely NO idea at the sheer amount of codeine junkies we see every day, that don't even realise that that is what they are. Flat out denial. And they are not your typical 'junkies', they range right up to the most respectable looking men and women, which makes it very difficult to manage. If we refuse one of these more 'respectable' customers, they get extremely indignant and start writing letters to TDs and complaining to anyone who will the listen.

The pharmacist's job is to make a decision on what is best for your health. If you don't like it, you are certainly free to gather a second opinion from another health professional. If you decide to buy pills from the internet, that is your own choice, and one that could be detrimental to your health if you are not careful. Nobody forces you to do that. You 'force' yourself to do that by not acknowledging the pharmacist or doctor's professional advice/opinion.

psycho-hope · 17-08-2010 04:09AM

im not a pharmacist or a technition(sp?) but i do work part time as an OTC assistant, over the last week we have run the gauntlet of people throwin an absoulte hissy fit when we refused to sell them nurofern+ or solpadeine etc, to having customers thank us for explaining why and quite happily taking the alternative offered.
I wish people would realise that just because you get your perscription off us every month and we know you only buy codeine containing products once in a blue moon we still have to go thru the whole questioning why you need it because even though we know you we dont know if the other people in the shop could be inspectors checking up on the pharmacy.

ebixa82 · 17-08-2010 05:12AM

RATM wrote: »

Oh christ, what is this- the Spanish Inquisition?

Why did you not buy Paracetamol along with the ibuprofen? Much more effective than Nurofen Plus.

As I already stated, and I quote:

2) Do you really think 25mg of codeine would have stopped you "writhing in pain"?

I was in pain simply because everytime I rolled over in bed my whole arm sparked up in throbbing. I've had this type of pain in my back before and yes, Nurofen worked FOR ME.

You were in a motorcycle accident and you chose not to seek medical attention from a GP or at a hospital?
As I said and say yet again (is there a theme developing here?) I was not prepared to wait crazy hours at A&E. My sister ( a doctor in Beaumount ) informed me it was a minimum 4 hour wait yesterday. A doctor call out would have cost me at least 70 quid and thats money I don't have. Welcome to Ireland 2010.

You have a job and so should have paid 60-70e to do so. How much money did you lose by not going to work?

I lost no money. I work for free on the FAS Work PLacement Scheme. So I can't lose what I never had.

4) Why did you not try another pharmacy?

Simply because by this stage my arm was so stiff that riding my (crashed) motorbike 2 miles to the next pharmacy was a completely bad idea. I just wanted to get home, felt ragged and disorientatied ,was in shock, not thinking straight and just wanted to lie down. Thats how you feel after coming off a motorbike and smashing your body off tarmac, you don't have the luxury of a cage around you like in a car.
I took the Nurofen for 3 hours and still felt pain so went back to the pharmacy at 5.55pm to be refused again. By that stage even I couldve gone to another pharmacy I couldn't have- she said all pharmacies around close at 6pm.
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I had gone to the same pharmacy to see the same pharmacist- twice. Was that not enough for the pharmacist to see I was clearly in pain and distress after crashing a motorbike? Or perhaps my ripped and soiled jacket might have made her click that I was telling the truth about coming off my motorbike? Or the look of shock and my disorientated demeanor?

Over-zealous tbh, I'm still considering lodging a complaint. Becasue what she thought was 'in my best interests' clearly wasn't in my best interests. I informed her Nurofen Plus are what works for me when I have muscular pain which I clearly had there and then. I was polite at all points in our conversation and yet I got no-where. My only regret now is I didn't scream my head off in the shop and tear my clothes off to reveal my bleeding knees and elbows.

Agree with above poster, when you say "Nurofen Plus is the only thing that works for me" alarms tend to ring. Why? Because that would rarely be the case. You couldn't possibly know that an Ibuprofen/Paracetamol combination wouldn't work if you didn't try it. I'm pretty sure it would work better than Nurofen plus btw.

I am a bit shocked that any Doctor in their right mind would tell somebody who has just been involved in a motorcycle accident not to get checked by a Doctor. Extreme negligence.

I just wanted to get home, felt ragged and disorientatied ,was in shock, not thinking straight and just wanted to lie down.

You should have gone to A&E if you were anywhere near as bad as the above comment you made.
Do you not know anyone at all who could give you the loan of cash to cover the Doctor's fee and you could arrange to repay them over a period of time?

What had you hoped to achieve by "screaming your head off"? You would simply have been kicked out, barred, made a fool of in front of all the other customers and make yourself appear like somebody who was hell bent on needing their codeine fix.

Who do you plan on making a complaint too and on what grounds? Pharmacists are within their rights to refuse to sell any product they feel necessary while exercising their professional judgement.

Also, have you discussed buying painkillers off the internet with anyone else? You are aware that these are all fake don't you?

Wibbs · 17-08-2010 07:37AM

ebixa82 wrote: »

I just wanted to get home, felt ragged and disorientatied ,was in shock, not thinking straight and just wanted to lie down.

You should have gone to A&E if you were anywhere near as bad as the above comment you made.

I presume he means not in clinical shock. TBH having fallen off various things in my time, unless I hit my head or a limb was at a jaunty angle, I'd avoid the average Irish A&E like the very plague. Certainly in the evening when the drunks and junkies can be out en masse. So I can well understand him on that score.

Also, have you discussed buying painkillers off the internet with anyone else? You are aware that these are all fake don't you?

I'd be very dubious about buying stuff like that alright. I know a health nut who buys all her vitamin stuff online, but that's a different thing and its all branded stuff from europe.

I do have sympathy for RATM though. Walking into a pharmacy clearly in a jock after a crash, is a little different to some middle aged woman or man with no obvious problems looking to buy 2 bumper packs of solpadeine. She could have exercised some cop and given him a ten pack of the nurofen + or some such, to tide him over until morning.

It's all a bit of turnaround from a few months ago when the same, now responsible model pharmacists were only to happy to have them in plain site handing them out like smarties with zero warnings that I've ever heard. Hell they were even pushing the generic stuff and happy to do so in any number of chemists I've been in and with an aged relative that rattles like a pill box I've been in my fair share. I've seen the same faces go into my local one and ask for the big bumper pack of generic goodness on a near daily basis. It was enough for me to notice and I've rarely taken the stuff myself.

I think this is overall a good idea, as too many were and are addicted to this stuff, but where was this "professional judgement" 6 months ago? Where was it when this stuff was the biggest seller in the average pharmacy? Where was it when they were buying in generic to sell even more at a cheaper price? Where was it when they saw the same faces come in day after day after day looking for this stuff? Did they think there was some weird headache epidemic? If the average pharmacist was exercising this "professional judgement" beforehand why do we need the regulations? So like I say I do think this is a good idea but pardon me if I raise a wry smirk at this sudden appearance of "professional judgement" in the trade.

Noffles · 17-08-2010 07:47AM

Boots.co.uk... they deliver and surely they'll deliver to Eire and you can get all the Solpadeine you want there...

deelite · 17-08-2010 07:48AM

I went to the chemist on Monday morning to buy solphadine and was asked all the questions. I was offered 12 tablets (soluable) at a cost of 4.90 - which I said no to as I felt I was being ripped off - 24 tablets is 6.49 (Boots) - that's what is really annoying me.

wolfpawnat · 17-08-2010 08:01AM

All of this is giving me a headache! Too tight to pay for GP!!!! Anyone got a spare tablet??

Liam Byrne · 17-08-2010 08:29AM

Biggins wrote: »

I did. Illegal ones that are listed as class "A" or "B" etc...
Gripe water (liquid) is in a whole different ball game altogether.

Yes, it could hardly be described as a hard drug.

Unless, maybe, you froze it!

ebixa82 · 17-08-2010 08:50AM

Wibbs wrote: »

I presume he means not in clinical shock. TBH having fallen off various things in my time, unless I hit my head or a limb was at a jaunty angle, I'd avoid the average Irish A&E like the very plague. Certainly in the evening when the drunks and junkies can be out en masse. So I can well understand him on that score.

I'd be very dubious about buying stuff like that alright. I know a health nut who buys all her vitamin stuff online, but that's a different thing and its all branded stuff from europe.

I do have sympathy for RATM though. Walking into a pharmacy clearly in a jock after a crash, is a little different to some middle aged woman or man with no obvious problems looking to buy 2 bumper packs of solpadeine. She could have exercised some cop and given him a ten pack of the nurofen + or some such, to tide him over until morning.

It's all a bit of turnaround from a few months ago when the same, now responsible model pharmacists were only to happy to have them in plain site handing them out like smarties with zero warnings that I've ever heard. Hell they were even pushing the generic stuff and happy to do so in any number of chemists I've been in and with an aged relative that rattles like a pill box I've been in my fair share. I've seen the same faces go into my local one and ask for the big bumper pack of generic goodness on a near daily basis. It was enough for me to notice and I've rarely taken the stuff myself.

I think this is overall a good idea, as too many were and are addicted to this stuff, but where was this "professional judgement" 6 months ago? Where was it when this stuff was the biggest seller in the average pharmacy? Where was it when they were buying in generic to sell even more at a cheaper price? Where was it when they saw the same faces come in day after day after day looking for this stuff? Did they think there was some weird headache epidemic? If the average pharmacist was exercising this "professional judgement" beforehand why do we need the regulations? So like I say I do think this is a good idea but pardon me if I raise a wry smirk at this sudden appearance of "professional judgement" in the trade.

WELL SAID..

fakearms123 · 17-08-2010 09:55AM

Next they will be telling us you need a prescription for contraceptive pill, why doc! Is paint stripper and a funnel too good for you! Damn fancy pants!

mathepac · 17-08-2010 09:56AM

RATM wrote: »

These new regulations are a joke. Here's a letter I wrote to my TD about them explaining the situation I found myself in today. I have since ordered pain killers over the web- I won't be caught on the hop by these stupid laws again.

With the no off license sales after 10pm rule the government forced my hand and I now have way more booze in the house than I ever did before. And so it will go the same way with painkillers.
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Sorry to hear about your accident and your injuries. I hope you recover soon and that you managed to avoid sending that pointless letter to your TD (who is also probably pointless from other perspectives).

It seems that authority is conspiring against you - you can't buy booze when you want and you can't buy painkillers (or certain cough medicines BTW) so your answer is to stockpile both, sourcing the drugs from cyberspace.

You mentioned you have a medic in the family. Given your fragile monetary state and your understandable reluctance to go the A&E route, would a quick phone-call to your sister not have in order for some advice? It might have saved you a lot of anger and frustration, a painfilled, sleepless night and a day off work.

ebixa82 · 17-08-2010 10:54AM

mathepac wrote: »

Sorry to hear about your accident and your injuries. I hope you recover soon and that you managed to avoid sending that pointless letter to your TD (who is also probably pointless from other perspectives).

It seems that authority is conspiring against you - you can't buy booze when you want and you can't buy painkillers (or certain cough medicines BTW) so your answer is to stockpile both, sourcing the drugs from cyberspace.

You mentioned you have a medic in the family. Given your fragile monetary state and your understandable reluctance to go the A&E route, would a quick phone-call to your sister not have in order for some advice? It might have saved you a lot of anger and frustration, a painfilled, sleepless night and a day off work.

ynul31f47k6b59 · 17-08-2010 12:21PM

RATM wrote: »

These new regulations are a joke. Here's a letter I wrote to my TD about them explaining the situation I found myself in today. I have since ordered pain killers over the web- I won't be caught on the hop by these stupid laws again.

I'm honestly not being smart, but haven't you got a MIDOC or whatever near you??? Any time I've had an emergency, accident, or medical problem out-of-hours, I ring MIDOC (NOWDOC in North West, don't know what it's called in other areas) and a nurse rings back with an appointment time. If you can't attend, they will send a Doctor on Call out to you, I've used the service before when I couldn't attend. I was given an injection to kill the pain and a prescription for the morning. I was charged €50 and they allowed me to pay it in two instalments of €25 as I was not working at the time.

I do have sympathy for you, it's agonising to be in pain and not have any painkillers, but I really don't understand why you think that codeine would have solved your problem. Ibuprofen, Paracetamol - there are a lot of other options. If I was in your situation, I'd have taken advantage of the stockpiled booze if I had trouble sleeping. I do hope you recovered, and I do have great sympathy for you, but I don't see why people automatically go into meltdown when there's no codeine available. It's not the only painkiller and it's by no means the strongest.

Herbal Deity · 17-08-2010 12:27PM

Personally, I find Codeine to be the only thing that does anything if I'm in any kind of serious pain.

bleg · 17-08-2010 01:14PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd be very dubious about buying stuff like that alright. I know a health nut who buys all her vitamin stuff online, but that's a different thing and its all branded stuff from europe.

Importing drugs without a licence is not only dodgey regarding the actual meds, it is also illegal.

I do have sympathy for RATM though. Walking into a pharmacy clearly in a jock after a crash, is a little different to some middle aged woman or man with no obvious problems looking to buy 2 bumper packs of solpadeine. She could have exercised some cop and given him a ten pack of the nurofen + or some such, to tide him over until morning.

It's all a bit of turnaround from a few months ago when the same, now responsible model pharmacists were only to happy to have them in plain site handing them out like smarties with zero warnings that I've ever heard. Hell they were even pushing the generic stuff and happy to do so in any number of chemists I've been in and with an aged relative that rattles like a pill box I've been in my fair share. I've seen the same faces go into my local one and ask for the big bumper pack of generic goodness on a near daily basis. It was enough for me to notice and I've rarely taken the stuff myself.

I think this is overall a good idea, as too many were and are addicted to this stuff, but where was this "professional judgement" 6 months ago? Where was it when this stuff was the biggest seller in the average pharmacy? Where was it when they were buying in generic to sell even more at a cheaper price? Where was it when they saw the same faces come in day after day after day looking for this stuff? Did they think there was some weird headache epidemic? If the average pharmacist was exercising this "professional judgement" beforehand why do we need the regulations? So like I say I do think this is a good idea but pardon me if I raise a wry smirk at this sudden appearance of "professional judgement" in the trade.

Different superintendent pharmacists are going to have a different interpretation on the law. Hence in one shop you could go in and get a bottle of codinex no problem but another would only supply it on foot of a prescription. There was definitely a blind eye turned to some patients, I have prevented the sale of codiene to some addicts and lost those patients' business because of it. My boss wasn't too happy with me.

I'm pretty happy with the new guidelines. It levels the playing field for all pharmacies who will have to have similar policies in place in order to comply with the guidelines. It will help stamp out the oversupply of codeine medications by some of the profession.

The guidelines force the pharmacist to personally deal with the sale of codeine meds, not a technician or OTC assistant. Saying that, I still would have preferred if all codeine meds were made POM.

Herbal Deity · 17-08-2010 01:42PM

To somewhat reiterate an earlier point, what are the negative effects of a codeine addiction, besides damage done to one's stomach/liver by the paracetamol/ibuprofen which is contained in all OTC codeine tablets and excessive quantities of which would be ingested by those who are addicted to codeine and do not know how to perform a simple cold water extraction?

policeman · 17-08-2010 03:43PM

Ok, so codeine works for people cos it metabolises into morphine/binds to opiate receptors in our bodies, and mimics the body's own 'opiates' -endorphin/dopamine. It is a very good painkiller despite what we are being led to believe. That's why morphine and its derivatives are used extensively in hospitals. NSAIDS [aspirin/paracetamol/ibuprof] block the prostaglandin production in the body, but somethimes that's not enough relief for people with classic migraine, severe muscle pain/injuries, etc. Yes-codeine creates tolerance, yes-codeine is addictive, but for many it'll kill any pain dead. Anyone who has been prescribed the likes of 'tylex' will know just how powerful it is.

As long as opium has been on this planet [millenia], man has enjoyed it's effects but grappled with its' addictive qualities. Something that mimics the bodies own pain reliever [produced in moments of trauma/shock to body] so well, is always going to be battled with. Why should anyone be denied such relief though or be demonized for reliance on said drugs? There have also been medical experiments using opiates as a relief for severe depression. Perhaps all these people are self medicating? However,what does it say about society that people are in a state of constant pain/mental distress that they need chemical assistance/ways to escape? These are questions that should be asked on a grand scale, rather than "Have you tried plain paracetamol instead?"

Drugs, legitimate or otherwise dull the senses to alot of the nonsense going in our world.Kids will always take them, adults will always take them. There needs to be a global shift from the simplistic "You are bad, drug taking is bad" to "Why are millions of people on this planet shoving pills into them everyday just to get by?" All is not well my friends. We need a rethink. To use all the cliches, lets talk to the elephant in the room, and lets ask the ostrich to take his head out his arse. Over and out.

ebixa82 · 17-08-2010 10:37PM

policeman wrote: »

Ok, so codeine works for people cos it metabolises into morphine/binds to opiate receptors in our bodies, and mimics the body's own 'opiates' -endorphin/dopamine. It is a very good painkiller despite what we are being led to believe. That's why morphine and its derivatives are used extensively in hospitals. NSAIDS [aspirin/paracetamol/ibuprof] block the prostaglandin production in the body, but somethimes that's not enough relief for people with classic migraine, severe muscle pain/injuries, etc. Yes-codeine creates tolerance, yes-codeine is addictive, but for many it'll kill any pain dead. Anyone who has been prescribed the likes of 'tylex' will know just how powerful it is.

As long as opium has been on this planet [millenia], man has enjoyed it's effects but grappled with its' addictive qualities. Something that mimics the bodies own pain reliever [produced in moments of trauma/shock to body] so well, is always going to be battled with. Why should anyone be denied such relief though or be demonized for reliance on said drugs? There have also been medical experiments using opiates as a relief for severe depression. Perhaps all these people are self medicating? However,what does it say about society that people are in a state of constant pain/mental distress that they need chemical assistance/ways to escape? These are questions that should be asked on a grand scale, rather than "Have you tried plain paracetamol instead?"

Drugs, legitimate or otherwise dull the senses to alot of the nonsense going in our world.Kids will always take them, adults will always take them. There needs to be a global shift from the simplistic "You are bad, drug taking is bad" to "Why are millions of people on this planet shoving pills into them everyday just to get by?" All is not well my friends. We need a rethink. To use all the cliches, lets talk to the elephant in the room, and lets ask the ostrich to take his head out his arse. Over and out.

Fail. The rest was all the usual cliched bollix I'm guessing!

My name is URL · 17-08-2010 10:47PM

Herbal Deity wrote: »

To somewhat reiterate an earlier point, what are the negative effects of a codeine addiction, besides damage done to one's stomach/liver by the paracetamol/ibuprofen which is contained in all OTC codeine tablets and excessive quantities of which would be ingested by those who are addicted to codeine and do not know how to perform a simple cold water extraction?

It'd be best for people suffering an addiction to get help for that rather than to rely on easily available or home prepared batches. If someone is deemed to genuinely need a chemical then let it be prescribed to them.

If there were no controls then more people would become addicted, and increased abuse is a step back as opposed to recovery from addiction.

ebixa82 · 17-08-2010 10:59PM

Herbal Deity wrote: »

To somewhat reiterate an earlier point, what are the negative effects of a codeine addiction, besides damage done to one's stomach/liver by the paracetamol/ibuprofen which is contained in all OTC codeine tablets and excessive quantities of which would be ingested by those who are addicted to codeine and do not know how to perform a simple cold water extraction?

To understand that you need to understand what addiction does to a person.

Ok, you can make the point that codeine technically doesn't greatly damage the body, but imagine spending your whole day wondering when your next hit of codeine will be. From the first thing in the morning to the last thing at night, the most important thing to you will be to make sure you get enough codeine into you.

You may not destroy your liver as with alcohol, or your lungs as with cigarettes but it will slowly take over your life.

How many addicts of anything are happy with the life they live deep down?

I'm sure if you went up to any alcoholic, heroin addict, chronic smoker etc, and asked would they give it up if they could then they virtually all would said they would do so in a heartbeat...Addiction is addiction at the end of the day...same outcomes and consequences irrespective of what the substance is...

sesna · 17-08-2010 11:03PM

ebixa82 wrote: »

Fail. The rest was all the usual cliched bollix I'm guessing!

Fail dismissing an entire post on such a minor technicality. Why don't you start picking on grammar next.

sesna · 17-08-2010 11:04PM

ebixa82 wrote: »

I'm sure if you went up to any alcoholic, heroin addict, chronic smoker etc, and asked would they give it up if they could then they virtually all would said they would do so in a heartbeat...Addiction is addiction at the end of the day...same outcomes and consequences irrespective of what the substance is...

I'm addicted to caffeine. I enjoy my addiction and dont want to give it up.

Herbal Deity · 17-08-2010 11:38PM

ebixa82 wrote: »

Ok, you can make the point that codeine technically doesn't greatly damage the body, but imagine spending your whole day wondering when your next hit of codeine will be. From the first thing in the morning to the last thing at night, the most important thing to you will be to make sure you get enough codeine into you.

Not if you have a stable supply of it. Smokers don't obsess about getting their next fix every day, they just buy cigarettes as part of their routine.

ebixa82 wrote: »

Addiction is addiction at the end of the day...same outcomes and consequences irrespective of what the substance is...

Completely and utterly disagree. You think, for example, nicotine addiction is anywhere near as socially destructive as alcoholism? And that the consequences of both are identical? The substance involved matters immensely.

Do you acknowledge that it is possible for fully functioning addicts to exist?

laugh · 18-08-2010 12:17AM

Herbal Deity wrote: »

Not if you have a stable supply of it. Smokers don't obsess about getting their next fix every day, they just buy cigarettes as part of their routine.

I've seen them get emotional when they have to go without, they and caffeine addicts do not do it because they enjoy it, they are hooked.

RATM · 18-08-2010 01:19AM

ebixa82 wrote: »

Agree with above poster, when you say "Nurofen Plus is the only thing that works for me" alarms tend to ring. Why? Because that would rarely be the case. You couldn't possibly know that an Ibuprofen/Paracetamol combination wouldn't work if you didn't try it. I'm pretty sure it would work better than Nurofen plus btw.

So by that statement you admit that it can be the case. Therefore your whole point is negated. I took Ibuprofen + Paracetomal for back pains earlier this year. It didn't make much difference so I went back to Nurofen+ which worked. You must think that we all have the same bodies or something and the medicines that work for you must therefore work for everybody else. That's just daft.

Also, have you discussed buying painkillers off the internet with anyone else? You are aware that these are all fake don't you?

Your absurd arguments know no bounds. According to you all painkillers bought off the internet are "fake". Care to provide proof of this? If not can you please desist from throwing around imbecilic unsubstantiated claims. I realise this is AH but comments like this do nothing for your credibility.

mathepac wrote: »

You mentioned you have a medic in the family. Given your fragile monetary state and your understandable reluctance to go the A&E route, would a quick phone-call to your sister not have in order for some advice? It might have saved you a lot of anger and frustration, a painfilled, sleepless night and a day off work.

When my sister qualified as a doctor she sat us all down as a family and requested that none of us ever ask her to prescribe for either us or our friends, unless it is a very serious situation. She's a very professional and competent doctor who is very aware of letting personal emotions getting in the way of work. I respect her greatly for this but it is frustrating at times! I was in pain but not life threatning pain. So I judged it better not to ask her.

Herbal Deity wrote: »

Personally, I find Codeine to be the only thing that does anything if I'm in any kind of serious pain.

+1.

policeman · 18-08-2010 02:49AM

I think it's high time opiates are made available should people require them, be it addiction or otherwise. Let people themselves ultimately make the decision what they put into their bodies. Otherwise we just get millions of people poisoning their livers with paracetamol combi tablets, or worse still fuelling the drugs trade. The "war on drugs" is a futile exercise anyway. People are always going to be addicted to something, unless of course you're perfect. And all [illicit] drugs should be legalised. On a slightly different note I saw an article recently regarding authorised production of MDMA in the US for medicinal use

ebixa82 · 18-08-2010 05:26AM

sesna wrote: »

I'm addicted to caffeine. I enjoy my addiction and dont want to give it up.

Again it's about understanding what addiction is. You are not addicted to coffee. Perhaps you drink it every day. If you were addicted then you would physically and mentally feel like **** if you didn't get the fix your bodies needs.

ebixa82 · 18-08-2010 05:35AM

Herbal Deity wrote: »

Not if you have a stable supply of it. Smokers don't obsess about getting their next fix every day, they just buy cigarettes as part of their routine.

They don't need to obsess because cigarettes are so freely available and legal.

Completely and utterly disagree. You think, for example, nicotine addiction is anywhere near as socially destructive as alcoholism? And that the consequences of both are identical? The substance involved matters immensely.

Of course not. I am not talking on a societal level. I'm talking on an individual level. How many chronic smokers do you know who have been smoking for 10 years plus can honestly say they enjoy smoking...the expense, the ill health, the smell and would not give it up if they could? Very few I would think.

Do you acknowledge that it is possible for fully functioning addicts to exist?

Of course they can exist physically. Heroin is one of the cleanest drugs out there if taken in the right way (clean needles etc) and of high quality. However if someone is shooting up 4-5 times a day then what more would they have the ability to do on a daily basis.

ebixa82 · 18-08-2010 05:44AM

RATM wrote: »

Your absurd arguments know no bounds. According to you all painkillers bought off the internet are "fake". Care to provide proof of this? If not can you please desist from throwing around imbecilic unsubstantiated claims. I realise this is AH but comments like this do nothing for your credibility.

When my sister qualified as a doctor she sat us all down as a family and requested that none of us ever ask her to prescribe for either us or our friends, unless it is a very serious situation. She's a very professional and competent doctor who is very aware of letting personal emotions getting in the way of work. I respect her greatly for this but it is frustrating at times! I was in pain but not life threatning pain. So I judged it better not to ask her.

TBH that does sound bizarre. However maybe you should have allowed her in her professional capacity as a Doctor decide if she needed to give you the once over. I know of very few Doctors who would think that someone involved in a motorcycle accident do not need to be seen to.

+1.

Yes 100%. Please link to a reputable site where I can buy a codeine based painkiller without prescription and I will admit to being proved wrong.

TBH that does sound bizarre that your sister would not like to treat her own family. However maybe you should have allowed her in her professional capacity as a Doctor decide if she needed to give you the once over. I know of very few Doctors who would think that someone involved in a motorcycle accident do not need to be seen to.

Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

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