(US) Hogwash: Muslim Mom Denied Foster Kids Because She Won't Serve Pork

wes · 17-08-2010 01:33PM

craggles wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to tell everyone they're talking bollox? You are above no one in this thread.

I never claimed to be above anyone, and why shouldn't I state my opinion on what others say? If I think its a load of crap, then I will say as much.

craggles · 17-08-2010 01:33PM

You must be a muslim. I dare say you are biased.

Cookie_Monster · 17-08-2010 01:34PM

craggles wrote: »

Here's an idea, bear with me for a second:

Drumroll...

What if all religions were banned?

We may as well just ban people, easiest in the long run

wes wrote: »

So? Lots of vegetarians have moral reasons for not eating meat, so again I see no real difference, and once again you are talking bollox.

moral and religion are separate and if it was a moral reason for not eating pork then who cares. Its not, its a backward "cos my religion says so" reason which is bollox.

And why is it everyone apart from you on this thread seems "to be talking bollox." just cause they disagree with you viewpoint?

strobe · 17-08-2010 01:34PM

craggles wrote: »

Here's an idea, bear with me for a second:

Drumroll...

What if all religions were banned?

The otters would rule the world.

wes · 17-08-2010 01:36PM

craggles wrote: »

You must be a muslim. I dare say you are biased.

So? I fail to see the relevance of that, and the fact you seem to take issue with that stinks to me.

Cookie_Monster · 17-08-2010 01:37PM

craggles wrote: »

You must be a muslim. I dare say you are biased.

no, just intolerant of others viewpoints

craggles · 17-08-2010 01:37PM

wes wrote: »

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Just noticed this. Does that mean I'm permitted to say things you don't agree with? Even though you'll just say it's bollox?

craggles · 17-08-2010 01:38PM

wes wrote: »

So? I fail to see the relevance of that, and the fact you seem to take issue with that stinks to me.

Of course it stinks to you!

wes · 17-08-2010 01:38PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

moral and religion are separate and if it was a moral reason for not eating pork then who cares. Its not, its a backward "cos my religion says so" reason which is bollox.

Sure, and someone moral beliefs on meat eating have as much merit.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

And why is it everyone apart from you on this thread seems "to be talking bollox." just cause they disagree with you viewpoint?

You clearly have trouble reading, as I have not called everyone but my own view point bollox. Secondly, you use the term above yourself, and complain about me using it in the same post, which is to put it simply hypocritical.

seagull · 17-08-2010 01:39PM

craggles wrote: »

You must be a muslim. I dare say you are biased.

There's a winning argument, if ever I heard one.

I'm with them. You're talking bollocks. Have you ever heard of this amazing concept called moderate religion? Just like the catholic church has moved away from burning heretics, there are moderates within Islam who don't hold to the extreme views, and are actually happy to accept the existence of other religions.

And no, I'm not muslim. I'm atheist.

craggles · 17-08-2010 01:39PM

What exactly is your point?

Cookie_Monster · 17-08-2010 01:41PM

wes wrote: »

Secondly, you use the term above yourself, and complain about me using it in the same post, which is to put it simply hypocritical.

why? context is totally different, I'm not insulting people posting on here for a start

wes · 17-08-2010 01:41PM

craggles wrote: »

Just noticed this. Does that mean I'm permitted to say things you don't agree with? Even though you'll just say it's bollox?

Sorry, but I get to state my opinion on the things you say. By stating my opinion on what you say, I in no way prevent you from saying them, and I find it nothing short of hilarious that you seem to think that me disagreeing with you, is some how silencing you. Your posts are getting funnier and funnier

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17-08-2010 01:41PM

I personally would have hated to be in a muslim household for a year or two when I was younger. Most would say the same.
If you are being fostered, you need a comfortable and familiar environment.. The culture shock of Islam isn't going to help the situation.

wes · 17-08-2010 01:42PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

no, just intolerant of others viewpoints

Yes, how dare I disagree with other people on a message board.

To use you logic by disagreeing with other on here, you are also intolerant of others view points......

wonderfulname · 17-08-2010 01:42PM

People do realise that there are different extremes of muslim just as christian? That her level of dedication could be insanely low and this be the equivalent of an Irish catholic being refused the right to foster because they wouldn't serve red meat on a friday?

Cookie_Monster · 17-08-2010 01:43PM

wes wrote: »

Yes, how dare I disagree with other people on a message board.

To use you logic by disagreeing with other on here, you are also intolerant of others view points......

I don't go round telling them all they are taking bollox though do I. If argue it or leave it, not try and belittle them for posting

wes · 17-08-2010 01:43PM

craggles wrote: »

Of course it stinks to you!

Well, then stop making that stink then

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wes · 17-08-2010 01:45PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I don't go round telling them all they are taking bollox though do I. If argue it or leave it, not try and belittle them for posting

You used the term yourself:

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

moral and religion are separate and if it was a moral reason for not eating pork then who cares. Its not, its a backward "cos my religion says so" reason which is bollox.

So, again you are being hypocritical.....

**EDIT**
Also you claimed to be trolling earlier:

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Anyway, I've had enough trolling on this thread for now

So you are looking for a reaction, and then complain about it, when you get one. There is a word for that.......

craggles · 17-08-2010 01:46PM

wes wrote: »

You used the term yourself:

So, again you are being hypocritical.....

You're using it more than anyone else in this thread, don't be ridiculous.

Let's get this back on topic. Somebody has to.

I have no problem with the foster parent refusing to serve pork if she's not comfortable with it. What I do have a problem with is if they refuse to allow the kid to eat pork at all, both within his own house and outside of it. I don't know if that is her intent or not. If it is, then I agree with the decision. If she fully intends to allow the kid to get his own pork elsewhere and does not otherwise subject him to any aspects of Islam then that's fine by me.

Cookie_Monster · 17-08-2010 01:48PM

wes wrote: »

You used the term yourself:

So, again you are being hypocritical.....

just because I used the term I'm hypocritical?? You might want to check what that word actually means...

It was not directed at other posters, like you did. It was a general statement about the muslim religion rather than a direct attack on other posters. How is that in any way the same as what you are doing?

wes · 17-08-2010 01:48PM

craggles wrote: »

You're using it more than anyone else in this thread, don't be ridiculous.

Yes, and others who have used the same term are complaing about me using it, which is hypocritical.

craggles wrote: »

Let's get this back on topic. Somebody has to.

Great, considering you happily engaged in the off topic banter as well.....

craggles wrote: »

I have no problem with the foster parent refusing to serve pork if she's not comfortable with it. What I do have a problem with is if they refuse to allow the kid to eat pork at all, both within his own house and outside of it. I don't know if that is her intent or not. If it is, then I agree with the decision. If she fully intends to allow the kid to get his own pork elsewhere and does not otherwise subject him to any aspects of Islam then that's fine by me.

I would be in agreement with you here actually.

17-08-2010 01:50PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

People do realise that there are different extremes of muslim just as christian? That her level of dedication could be insanely low and this be the equivalent of an Irish catholic being refused the right to foster because they wouldn't serve red meat on a friday?

Without knowing beforehand how dedicated they are to their religion, would you let your kid stay with a Muslim family for two years?

wonderfulname · 17-08-2010 01:50PM

wes wrote: »

No, she is doing no such thing, she just doesn't server Pork in her house. So again bollox.

Very true, I dont serve horse.. or rabbit.. or any game really.. or most cuts of beef.. or the fatty cuts of lamb... I don't do boiled hang...

I do however have a balanced diet, thats all that matters. And if I lived in america I wouldn't touch pork, the levels of toxin they are allowed is shocking, several times more than the level at which all irish pork products were recalled. Shes doing good by those kids lol..

craggles · 17-08-2010 01:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Without knowing beforehand how dedicated they are to their religion, would you let your kid stay with a Muslim family for two years?

No. Most people wouldn't let their kid stay with any other family for two years, bad example.

Cookie_Monster · 17-08-2010 01:51PM

wes wrote: »

Yes, and others who have used the same term are complaing about me using it, which is hypocritical.

I'm not complaining about you using the term, I complaining about the fact you are directing it other posters without merit.

wes · 17-08-2010 01:55PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

just because I used the term I'm hypocritical?? You might want to check what that word actually means...

Hypocrisy

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches. Samuel Johnson made this point when he wrote about the misuse of the charge of "hypocrisy" in Rambler No. 14:

Nothing is more unjust, however common, than to charge with hypocrisy him that expresses zeal for those virtues which he neglects to practice; since he may be sincerely convinced of the advantages of conquering his passions, without having yet obtained the victory, as a man may be confident of the advantages of a voyage, or a journey, without having courage or industry to undertake it, and may honestly recommend to others, those attempts which he neglects himself.[1]

Thus, an alcoholic's advocating temperance, for example, would not be considered an act of hypocrisy so long as the alcoholic made no pretense of constant sobriety.

So, you have an issue with me using the term "bollox", and then using it yourself is hypocritical.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

It was not directed at other posters, like you did. It was a general statement about the muslim religion rather than a direct attack on other posters. How is that in any way the same as what you are doing?

I was offering my opinion on what other posters said. I fail to see how that amounts to a "personal attack".

Secondly, if you don't like other using the term "bollox", then why did you use it yourself? I have as much right to use that term as you do.

17-08-2010 01:55PM

craggles wrote: »

No. Most people wouldn't let their kid stay with any other family for two years, bad example.

I meant in the context that the kid had to go into care. That was obvious and the example stands.

wes · 17-08-2010 01:55PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I'm not complaining about you using the term, I complaining about the fact you are directing it other posters without merit.

According to you it has no merit, and I was directing it at what another poster said. If you feel I was insulting another poster directly, then report my post, and let a moderator deal with me.

wonderfulname · 17-08-2010 01:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Without knowing beforehand how dedicated they are to their religion, would you let your kid stay with a Muslim family for two years?

Considering foster families are thoroughly assesed and this is all the dirt they could come up with she sounds pretty capable to me, and who sends their own child off to live exclusively with someone else by choice? The answer to that question is no, I would not let my kid stay with anyone for a period of two years. I was just pointing out what a small aspect of the religion it is, and that not everyone is a religious fanatic.

(US) Hogwash: Muslim Mom Denied Foster Kids Because She Won't Serve Pork

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