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(US) Hogwash: Muslim Mom Denied Foster Kids Because She Won't Serve Pork

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  • #32
    prinz
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    because its a particularly vile, intolerant and unequal religion to introduce a non-muslim western child to that is just wrong.

    There are worse things a child in foster care could be "introduced" to.


  • #33
    Nodin
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    because its a particularly vile, intolerant and unequal religion to introduce a non-muslim western child to that is just wrong.

    And if the child was to go to a strict christian fundamentalist, with their no drinking, dancing, rock n roll or women in authority over men.....?


  • #34
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    wes wrote: »
    So, you only hate Muslims, so that makes it ok :rolleyes:.

    no, not only muslims ;)


  • #35
    Stercus Accidit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    The punishment for apostacy in Islam is death, so by her own religion, if these kids are brainwashed into her faith as all kids are, then reject it, she will have to kill them.

    That is not conductive to a good foster family.


  • #36
    AnonoBoy
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    because its a particularly vile, intolerant and unequal religion to introduce a non-Catholic child to that is just wrong.

    See? It works for more than one religion!


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  • #37
    craggles
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    Nodin wrote: »
    And if the child was to go to a strict christian fundamentalist, with their no drinking, dancing, rock n roll or women in authority over men.....?

    That's just as bad.


  • #38
    Cookie_Monster
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    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    See? It works for more than one religion!

    funny, cos thats not what I said


  • #39
    craggles
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    wes wrote: »
    So, you only hate Muslims, so that makes it ok :rolleyes:.

    You don't have to hate muslims to realise how intolerant and demeaning to women that religion is.

    Should really just have a megathread in AH already.


  • #40
    wes
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    no, not only muslims ;)

    Well, good for you :P.


  • #41
    Cookie_Monster
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    Stercus Accidit wrote: »
    The punishment for apostacy in Islam is death, so by her own religion, if these kids are brainwashed into her faith as all kids are, then reject it, she will have to kill them.

    That is not conductive to a good foster family.

    there ya go, good a reason as any...


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  • #42
    wes
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    Stercus Accidit wrote: »
    The punishment for apostacy in Islam is death, so by her own religion, if these kids are brainwashed into her faith as all kids are, then reject it, she will have to kill them.

    That is not conductive to a good foster family.

    Great, well seeing as the Bible says exactly that, I take you will be calling for for foster parents who are either Christian or Jewish as well. Also, seeing as most of the US identifies as Christians, this will mean there will be very few foster parents, and that the program will bascially be useless.


  • #43
    Nodin
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    Stercus Accidit wrote: »
    The punishment for apostacy in Islam is death, so by her own religion, if these kids are brainwashed into her faith as all kids are, then reject it, she will have to kill them.

    Considering that muslims have doubtless fostered children before, don't you think that might have occurred already...if it was on the average Muslim fosterers 'To Do' list, like.....


  • #44
    craggles
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    Conclusion: No one should foster kids, bring back workhouses


  • #45
    prinz
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    wes wrote: »
    Great, well seeing as the Bible says exactly that, I take you will be calling for for foster parents who are either Christian or Jewish as well. Also, seeing as most of the US identifies as Christians, this will mean there will be very few foster parents, and that the program will bascially be useless.

    Could you link this clause in the Bible? In particularly to the relevant New Testament section please?


  • #46
    wes
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    craggles wrote: »
    You don't have to hate muslims to realise how intolerant and demeaning to women that religion is.

    Which make them no different than other Religions, so when they start doing the same to Jews, Christians, Hindu's etc, then you may have leg to stand on, as its stands, this is simple bigotry.
    craggles wrote: »
    Should really just have a megathread in AH already.

    You can just use Stormfront.....


  • #47
    craggles
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    wes wrote: »
    Great, well seeing as the Bible says exactly that, I take you will be calling for for foster parents who are either Christian or Jewish as well. Also, seeing as most of the US identifies as Christians, this will mean there will be very few foster parents, and that the program will bascially be useless.

    Most christians yes, Fundamentalist christians? Hell no, shouldn't be allowed to breed or foster.


  • #48
    prinz
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    wes wrote: »
    Which make them no different than other Religions, so when they start doing the same to Jews, Christians, Hindu's etc, then you may have leg to stand on, as its stands, this is simple bigotry...

    This sort of thing has happened to people of other faiths. Let's not pretend it is a new phenomenon, or confined to Islam.


  • #49
    craggles
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    wes wrote: »
    You can just use Stormfront.....

    I'm not racist. Because I speak against a religion I'm automatically a white supremacist now?


  • #50
    Cookie_Monster
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    craggles wrote: »
    Conclusion: No one should foster kids, bring back workhouses

    just ask Madge, she'll be up for it


  • #51
    Nodin
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    prinz wrote: »
    Could you link this clause in the Bible? In particularly to the relevant New Testament section please?

    Who allowed you shift the goal posts? Various christian sects pick and choose what sections of the old testament are still relevant and which are overridden by the new.


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  • #52
    Stercus Accidit
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    wes wrote: »
    Great, well seeing as the Bible says exactly that, I take you will be calling for for foster parents who are either Christian or Jewish as well. Also, seeing as most of the US identifies as Christians, this will mean there will be very few foster parents, and that the program will bascially be useless.

    If they follow the old testament, yes, they will be killing gay children and so on. This thread is about Islam, so christianity is irrelevant, but if you trying to paint me a hypocrite, by assuming I am christian, you have failed, I have rejected all superstitions.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Considering that muslims have doubtless fostered children before, don't you think that might have occurred already...if it was on the average Muslim fosterers 'To Do' list, like.....

    If you claim to be Muslim you have to follow its rules. If I proclaimed myself a (godwin alert) neo-Nazi and tried to adopt jewish children, would I be approved? But its ok, I only follow some nazi rules, like black clothing and skulls on geansies.


  • #53
    AnonoBoy
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    funny, cos thats not what I said

    I think you missed the point I was making.

    The Catholic religion is also vile, offensive and unequal.


  • #54
    wes
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    prinz wrote: »
    Could you link this clause in the Bible? In particularly to the relevant New Testament section please?

    Its in the Old testament (The Bible is made up of both New and Old Testaments), and I am referring to the following:
    Deuteronomy 13

    1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

    2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

    3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

    4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

    5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

    (above emphasis mine)

    Notice btw, I never said that all Christians and Jews believe this should be carried out to this day, but the passages are there in the Bible either way.


  • #55
    craggles
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    All religions are vile, offensive and unequal. Some are more offensive and unequal than others.


  • #56
    prinz
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Who allowed you shift the goal posts? Various christian sects pick and choose what sections of the old testament are still relevant and which are overridden by the new.

    Is that an answer? Perhaps you'd like to provide the link?


  • #57
    wes
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    craggles wrote: »
    I'm not racist. Because I speak against a religion I'm automatically a white supremacist now?

    I have no idea either way, but you seem happy to trot out the following nonsense in regards to this Woman:
    craggles wrote: »
    You can hardly expect the child to have money to go to a restaurant though. But let's say he does and he decides on his way home from school to buy a pork McRib from McDonalds. He gets home, it's -16 degrees out and the family refuses to let him in until he finishes and washes himself until he is ritually clean. What then? Is that right?

    So, sure I taught I should give it a go as well.


  • #58
    Cookie_Monster
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    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    I think you missed the point I was making.

    The Catholic religion is also vile, offensive and unequal.

    indeed, all religion is. but Islam is still very anti other religions whereas catholicism has managed to tone that down over the centuries, to a level where they can freely accept other religions, Islam still can't and that will lead to some form of trouble in that foster house if the kid decides Islam is not for them

    * goes to search for tarring brush big enough


  • #59
    wes
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    prinz wrote: »
    This sort of thing has happened to people of other faiths. Let's not pretend it is a new phenomenon, or confined to Islam.

    I made no such claim, but I am talking about the here and now, and not the past.


  • #60
    Nodin
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    Stercus Accidit wrote: »

    .....If you claim to be Muslim you have to follow its rules..

    Much like the christians, readings and interpretations of those rules vary greatly from sect to sect and within those sects from nationality to nationality, family to family, individual to individual. Unless a person is a member of some avowedly extremist sect, I don't see why the worst should be presumed of them.


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  • #61
    prinz
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    wes wrote: »
    Its in the Old testament (The Bible is made up of both New and Old Testaments), and I am referring to the following:
    (above emphasis mine).

    False prophets. Says nothing about the penalty of death for your average believer, either then or now. Notice how it specifically mentions that the prophet who leads people away should be put to death, not that everyone who followed that false prophet should also be put to death.


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