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Girls doing 4 times as much study as boys.

  • 16-08-2010 12:35PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭


    http://news.ie.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=154412425
    Group seeks reform of Leaving Cert
    The Leaving Certificate curriculum needs to be recast to reflect the fundamental principles of education and to take account of current best practice internationally, a leading youth organisation has said.

    Youth Work Ireland re-iterated its call for widespread reform of the curriculum following research by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) which highlights the negative effect of the exams on the health of Leaving Cert students.

    The preliminary findings of the Post-Primary Longitudinal Study, carried out for the National Council of Curriculum and Assessment (NCCA), show four out of ten Leaving Cert students lose sleep because of worry.

    The study of 900 students in 12 case-study schools, to be published later this year, shows a higher level of stress among girls doing the Leaving Cert according to Emer Smyth, research professor with the ESRI.

    She said the findings were consistent with international research which shows high levels of stress among students taking final second level exams.

    The research shows that girls spend longer on their homework than boys, with girls spending an average of four hours or more per night on homework, while boys tend to study for an hour or less, she said.

    Youth Work Ireland said there is need for a much wider debate involving continuous assessment, credit systems, team working, critical thinking and industry linkage.

    The group warned however that the process needs to look at the exam and syllabus in the broadest possible way and focus on the interests of young people by involving all of them in any changes.

    Michael McLoughlin, director of central services with Youth Work Ireland, said “Many do well out of the Leaving Certificate but the enormous build up of pressure coupled with our persistently high drop out rates must spur on the reform process”.

    “Previous reforms such as the Leaving Cert Applied, Vocational and transition year have shown that mainstream schools can be adapted to serve all young people,” Mr McLoughlin said.

    I hate the fact that something this important is tucked away in the middle of an article on a different subject.

    Girls have been outperforming boys at an increasing rate over the last few Leaving Cert cycles (Girls outperform boys in every core Leaving subject and Girls beat boys in Junior Cert at almost all subjects), whereas boys have been falling further and further behind.
    It is amazing that with this kind of discrepancy in hours spent studying hasn't yeilded an even greater difference in results (actually, now that I think about it, girls must be atrocious at studying:confused: ).

    If this report is accurate, then it is clear that the education system is failing swathes of young men who could probably do much better if they tried.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭Zombienosh


    Surely the housewife exams aren't that hard are they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    Co-incidentally, boys do 4 times more fapping than girls.

    The mind boggles ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    If this report is accurate, then it is clear that the education system is failing swathes of young men who could probably do much better if they tried.

    Isn't the onus on them to do the study/homework themselves?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Superbus


    I think girls just work and then achieve, without prompting.

    Guys kinda need to be inspired, or to have a firm goal to achieve.

    The LC isn't the most inspiring of exams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    They are doing all that extra study and only getting slightly better results... boys must really be smarter than girls then ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    WindSock wrote: »
    Isn't the onus on them to do the study/homework themselves?

    Children don't magically sit down and start studying; they do so because they are inspired to (and often ordered to); if the system is failing to make boys want to study enough to pass their exams then there is a failure in the system.

    You can't save everyone, but if enough boys don't even care to try then there is most likely a problem with the system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    Making a sandwich counts as study for Home Ec... Of course they're at an advantage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭WillyWaggler


    Girls aren't as smart, so they have to do four times as much studying as boys. Simples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Is spending longer on your homework automatically doing it better?
    Could it be that they are doing the exact same work but boys are just more efficient?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    Zombienosh wrote: »
    Surely the housewife exams aren't that hard are they?

    everythings a challenge to them, even cleaning floors :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Thats because the first, second & third time they try to read something their brains get all scrambled with thoughts of make-up, kittens & pretty frocks. And cooking.

    But it sinks in the 4th time. Bless em the dear dear things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    In before hillarious sexist remarks towards women including sammich making and cleaning....F*ck Sake!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    I hate the fact that something this important is tucked away in the middle of an article on a different subject.

    Girls have been outperforming boys at an increasing rate over the last few Leaving Cert cycles (Girls outperform boys in every core Leaving subject and Girls beat boys in Junior Cert at almost all subjects), whereas boys have been falling further and further behind.
    It is amazing that with this kind of discrepancy in hours spent studying hasn't yeilded an even greater difference in results (actually, now that I think about it, girls must be atrocious at studying:confused: ).

    If this report is accurate, then it is clear that the education system is failing swathes of young men who could probably do much better if they tried.

    Not being that far out of my school years, maybe I could shed some light on this. When i was approaching my final year of the leaving cert I was acutely aware of two things. The leaving cert was not the most important exam/moment in my life and regurgitating information, which would be forgotten within a month and never used again was a huge waste of my time.

    I wasn't the only one who had formed this conclusion either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭MickShamrock


    "I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    yeah well, you **** don't even try, too busy.. **** and kickin midgets.

    assholes. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    I know a lot of people who got 500+ points in the leaving and got honors degrees in university, but there isn't a hope in hell I would call some of them smart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    It's not just the homework that's the problem. But 30 girls together in a class and they'll all try and get better marks than each other.
    Put 30 boys in a class together and they'll put pots on their heads and run into each other. Anyone that went to a mixed school sees the difference in attitudes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    This is obviously nonsense.

    I mean, the smartest man in the world is a man. Point proven.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    We end up getting paid more anyway. Why sweat unneceassrily?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Be interesting to see what the male/female ratio for secondary school teachers is


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Girls aren't as smart, so they have to do four times as much studying as boys. Simples.
    Well, it seems to be working, whatever they do. Outperforming boys on every subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    studying for four hours a day after being in school for 7 or 8 hours is not at all healthy, and if they're only doing slightly better is it worth the stress and health problems all that work would give?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    biko wrote: »
    Well, it seems to be working, whatever they do. Outperforming boys on every subject.


    Agreed but they still can't get their heads around something as simple as 'putting out' - book smarts, not real smarts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    derfderf wrote: »
    It's not just the homework that's the problem. But 30 girls together in a class and they'll all try and get better marks than each other.
    Put 30 boys in a class together and they'll put pots on their heads and run into each other. Anyone that went to a mixed school sees the difference in attitudes.
    Thats because men know there's more important things to life than studying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    This is obviously nonsense.

    I mean, the smartest man in the world is a man. Point proven.
    Well obviously.
    If the smartest man in the world was a girl thered be something pretty wrong.
    Well unless he was a hermy......or tranny.......thats a whole other packet of pudding though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    thats a whole other packet of pudding though

    Or maybe a whole pudding in a different packet;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭WalterMitty


    Boys tend to do more extra curricular stuff at that age like sports,working, drinking etc.

    Its well known that men have higher average IQ but also a larger range of IQ scores(more geniuses but more dumbos than women). Men still win 95+% of Nobel prizes , its no conincidence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 gowayuwilya


    Bambi wrote: »
    Be interesting to see what the male/female ratio for secondary school teachers is
    What has that got to do with anything? Way more female teachers btw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭thirtythirty




    Girls have been outperforming boys at an increasing rate over the last few Leaving Cert cycles

    If this report is accurate, then it is clear that the education system is failing swathes of young men who could probably do much better if they tried.

    And yet men excel and rise to the top in every industry and area. Even cooking.

    I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure it's cuz girls' small brains can't see the bigger picture, and so panick that the leaving cert is the be-all and end-all, forces them to work like that.

    Don't get me wrong though - I love having a receptionist that I can go to with any question about geography or the intricacies of the progressive future negative interrogative Irish tense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭nachoman


    derfderf wrote: »
    It's not just the homework that's the problem. But 30 girls together in a class and they'll all try and get better marks than each other.
    Put 30 boys in a class together and they'll put pots on their heads and run into each other. Anyone that went to a mixed school sees the difference in attitudes.

    yeh, but the girls are competing with each other to get the boys attention, thats what thats all about.


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