where's all this talk of College been a non stop party

drkpower · 11-08-2010 02:29PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Well, why are you still going on about it then?

Im not; i said a number of posts ago that my issue was with the 'general rule'. Did you miss that bit too...?:D

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

I gave my personal experience, that for me, college was way more demanding than work, and you insulted me for that.

Oh, stop playing the victim. You did more than give your personal experience. You said there was no such thing as a 'general rule'; which of course is nonsense. In my last post, I explicitly acknowledged that your course may be one of the exceptions. Did you miss that bit too...?:D

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Fell into the trap, didn't you. Do you work crazy hours?

Fell into what trap....? Are you setting traps?

(oh, and you should put a '?' at the end of 'didn't you'.......:rolleyes:)
For the record, I am no longer in that profession (so whatever trap you mysteriously and deviously set, I presume i must have missed it, right...?;)).

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

You still haven't acknowledged that many students have to work through college, so have their 20 hours a week of classes/lectures, a job and assignments and reading. When exactly do you think they're going to fit in partying every night?

When did I ever say any different? When did I ever say that they should be partying every night? You repeatedly give out about me making a assumptions yet you pepper your entire post with assumptions and inaccuracies of your own....! It seems there is an incredibly large chip-shaped item upon your shoulder.

My point (although why I should have to repeate it again, I do not know) is that, as a general rule, it is far easier to party hard (and be hungover) in college than it is in work; I made that very simple point in my first post - to which you reacted rather poorly - and ever since.

drkpower · 11-08-2010 02:32PM

prinz wrote: »

I don't think you count. BTW you should give Robin a break Batman!

Ah, sure Im only having a little bit of a laugh to get myself through the day; I am so fcuking hungover today its unreal..... I wish I was back in college.....

K4t · 11-08-2010 02:36PM

Go to Maynooth. Stayed on campus for first year and went out drinking to pubs/clubs three nights a week, house parties going on constantly, all sorts of mischief going on around campus at all hours. Was quite a ride. Did I enjoy it? Yes, but it did grow tiresome after a while. A few friends came down from Dublin and couldn't believe the state of the place, pure chaos! Was a good year though, met hundreds of people and some great friends and got that whole partying thing out of the way. No regrets, eh.

Lecture wise I obviously suffered. First semester was ok, few firsts. Second semester, I attended 10 lectures at most and just about the required amount of tutorials. Basically got up in the afternoon, played football, bought some drink and went out. Was great for a while but then I got stuck in a rut and could not get back into lectures etc. Passed all 7 of my exams incredibly and have a nice house in a quiet estate with two other quiet, nice individuals for next year. I've only gone out three times this summer too and feel all the better for it. Have definitely matured a lot.

11-08-2010 02:39PM

drkpower wrote: »

Im not; i said a number of posts ago that my issue was with the 'general rule'. Did you miss that bit too...?:D

Oh, stop playing the victim. You did more than give your personal experience. You said there was no such thing as a 'general rule'; which of course is nonsense. In my last post, I explicitly acknowledged that your course may be one of the exceptions. Did you miss that bit too...?:D

I gave my personal experience and the first thing you did was imply I was a rubbish worker. If you think that's normal, I have nothing more to say. Unless you've spoken to every single college graduate on earth, you have no idea what the 'general rule' is. As I said, virtually nobody on my course thinks they have it easier now than they did when they were working.

Fell into what trap....? Are you setting traps? (oh, and you should put a '?' at the end of 'didn't you'.......:rolleyes:)
For the record, I am no longer in that profession (so whatever trap you mysteriously and deviously set, I presume i must have missed it, right...?;)).

Yes.

When did I ever say any different? When did I ever say that they should be partying every night? You repeatedly give out about me making a assumptions yet you pepper your entire post with assumptions and inaccuracies of your own....! It seems there is an incredibly large chip-shaped item upon your shoulder.

Oh my God. Just...never mind.

My point (although why I should have to repeate it again, I do not know) is that, as a general rule, it is far easier to party hard (and be hungover) in college than it is in work; I made that very simple point in my first post - to which you reacted rather poorly - and ever since.

Again, there is no general rule. It depends what you study and it depends where you work. I know plenty of people who had 35 hours of LECTURES during college in addition to all the reading and essays and a part time job. Between having no time and having no money, they hardly ever went out.

I'm starting a full time contract in October, so I'll let you know if your theory is correct. Let's see:

Every day in college 9-6
Part time job 3/4 hours a night
Assignments to be finished, which means working until 2/3am
Reading all weekend, so never really 'free'
No money

vs

Working day of 9-5
No part time job in evening
No assignments
No weekend reading
A reasonable salary

I can't bloody wait to enter this 'real world' again.

prinz · 11-08-2010 02:41PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

It depends what you do though, doesn't it? I'd find it worse to mess up an assignment because I paid a fortune to go to college and those grades affect the rest of my life. I wouldn't have had half the opportunities I've had if I'd coasted my way through undergrad...

Why do you assume people who lived it up at college 'coasted their way' through it. Work hard, party hard. They can be balanced. As for ability to enjoy yourself socially there's no contest. If I wanted to skip a lecture to go for a pint I could for example. If I wanted to do x hours of study a day I could sleep in and do them in the evening, or get up early do them inthe morning and have the evening off.

Again, nobody denied there were exceptions to the rule, but for most people work is a poor second.

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

The worst thing I did while working was program someone's room key with the wrong number, after working a 12 hour shift starting 6 hours after my last one. Big deal, I fixed it within 5 minutes. Perhaps if I were a surgeon or a paramedic or an air traffic controller, I might feel differently. But I'm not..

Well, lucky you?

prinz · 11-08-2010 02:46PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Working day of 9-5
No part time job in evening
No assignments
No weekend reading
A reasonable salary

I can't bloody wait to enter this 'real world' again.

Nice job if you can get it. A lot of people don't just leave work at 5 and forget about it.

andrew · 11-08-2010 02:55PM

I'm a current undergrad. I wake at 4am each morning, eat gravel for breakfast, give oral sex to several lecturers in order to ensure a good grade, read for 7 hours each day, do 3 assignments each night, cook a meal for my entire family AND look after my paraplegic mother and father, and still manage to have a blast in college. So anyone who says otherwise must clearly be lying.

11-08-2010 02:55PM

prinz wrote: »

Nice job if you can get it. A lot of people don't just leave work at 5 and forget about it.

Especially if we have exams twice a year on top

drkpower · 11-08-2010 02:56PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Every day in college 9-6
Part time job 3/4 hours a night
Assignments to be finished, which means working until 2/3am
Reading all weekend, so never really 'free'
No money

vs

Working day of 9-5
No part time job in evening
No assignments
No weekend reading
A reasonable salary

It really is about perception - your list includes none of the obligations & responsibilities that are part and parcel of working life. Why is that? Heres another list which actually reflects what most serious jobs are about. If you dont have (or arent going to get) a serious job, then perhaps my list is not relevent to you (of course, that would beg the queston of why you went to college to do an under-grad and a post-graduate degree.......:eek:).

College
Self-learning
No responsibility (other than to yourself)
Most of the things due today, can probably be done tomorrow
No expectations, until exams maybe twice a year and the odd assignment
Nooone cares what you look like or if you honk of booze

vs

Work
Responsibility to others; often, their workload depends on yours
Responsibility to employer & clients/customers
Usually things need to be done when they need to be done
Working past regular 9-5 is often expected/thinking about ongoing issues after 5 frequent
Continual expectations
Appearances important

prinz · 11-08-2010 02:57PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Especially if we have exams twice a year on top

True that. Waiting on results now

11-08-2010 02:58PM

prinz wrote: »

Why do you assume people who lived it up at college 'coasted their way' through it. Work hard, party hard. They can be balanced. As for ability to enjoy yourself socially there's no contest. If I wanted to skip a lecture to go for a pint I could for example. If I wanted to do x hours of study a day I could sleep in and do them in the evening, or get up early do them inthe morning and have the evening off.

Again, nobody denied there were exceptions to the rule, but for most people work is a poor second.

For the billionth time, it depends on the course. If I'd 'partied hard' this year, I'd have failed. Plenty of people who only went out once or twice a week are coming out with D's and E's. I had a one week holiday arranged this year and I had to cancel it because I couldn't afford the time off. I've had one day breaks here and there over the summer. There are very few jobs which don't give you 2 weeks holiday a year and very few jobs where you don't get two full days off every week, usually together.

Again, for the umpteenth time, I am well aware that some/most people don't have that much to do during college, especially if they have the luxury of not working. I gave MY opinion, based on MY experience and got insulted for it. Go back and read the post.

Well, lucky you?

You're just not getting my point at all. I am well aware some people have really demanding jobs and find work much harder than college. Why can't those people understand that for other people, it's the opposite?

11-08-2010 03:04PM

drkpower wrote: »

It really is about perception - your list includes none of the obligations & responsibilities that are part and parcel of working life. Why is that? Heres another list which actually reflects what most serious jobs are about. If you dont have (or arent going to get) a serious job, then perhaps my list is not relevent to you (of course, that would beg the queston of why you went to college to do an under-grad and a post-graduate degree.......:eek:).

College
Self-learning
No responsibility (other than to yourself)
Most of the things due today, can probably be done tomorrow
No expectations, until exams maybe twice a year and the odd assignment
Nooone cares what you look like or if you honk of booze

vs

Work
Responsibility to others; often, their workload depends on yours
Responsibility to employer & clients/customers
Usually things need to be done when they need to be done
Working past regular 9-5 is often expected/thinking about ongoing issues after 5 frequent
Continual expectations
Appearances important

I've had plenty of serious jobs and believe me, you won't get a much more serious workplace than the one I'll be going into. Again, you're giving YOUR experience of college. Your points about working could easily be applied to what I'm doing right now. I'm doing more group work than I ever have in a workplace. The only one I'll give you is appearance is less important right now, but really, who cares? Is it that much effort to look presentable? Also, it's sometimes possible to put things off if you have to, but they still need to be done. Tomorrow I've a 3 hour hospital appointment but all that means is I'll have to work 3 hours later.

prinz · 11-08-2010 03:04PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

You're just not getting my point at all. I am well aware some people have really demanding jobs and find work much harder than college. Why can't those people understand that for other people, it's the opposite?

No problem understanding that whatsoever. IMO it doesn't apply to the majority of people.

pickarooney · 11-08-2010 03:06PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Again, for the umpteenth time, I am well aware that some/most people don't have that much to do during college

Am I right in thinking that you don't understand the term 'general rule' in that case?

drkpower · 11-08-2010 03:12PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

I've had plenty of serious jobs and believe me, you won't get a much more serious workplace than the one I'll be going into..

Yet when you form a list of pros & cons of working v college, the most pnerous description of your job is: 'Working day of 9-5'......:rolleyes: No reference to how 'serious' it is; no reference to its responsibilities; why is that?

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Again, you're giving YOUR experience of college. Your points about working could easily be applied to what I'm doing right now.

No; Im giving my view as to what the usual/general experience of college is. That is what I am doing and what I have been doing. As I and others have said, you may be doing a course which is more demanding than the norm.

Of course, as college is a preparatory to a lifetime in the workplace, it would seem highly unusual that the responsibilities and obligations in college would exceed those in the workplace it is preparing you for.

KittyeeTrix · 11-08-2010 03:17PM

For the science degree now in NUIG your final degree result is based on your 2nd, 3rd and 4th year marks..........5% of 2nd year, 15% of 3rd year and 80% of 4th year.........

You'd most likely need to be working fairly much from 2nd year to accumulate the marks to end up with a 1.1 unless you can pull together a spectacular 4th year result

starlit · 11-08-2010 03:18PM

No way. Always thought it was either 3rd, 4th year or just 4th year alone.

MarcusFenix · 11-08-2010 03:20PM

I live at home (about 30miles from CIT) , can't find a job because of my location, and im entering into my 5th year of undergrad,( ladder system, never repeated an exam, let alone a year).

I did Funk all for the first two years and passed, did have a job both those years and had about 25-30 hours a week college. I wouldn't say I partied constantly, the whole living far away thing was to blame, but I did do the bollix alot!

I would say that if I carried on the way I did in college (even when I matured and knuckled down) id be jobless,loveless and probably homeless!

The course is mechanical engineering and it's VERY intense with reports,projects,labs and workshop etc.

So basically it is possible to party in college, I wouldn't say we reach the highs/lows of american college goers but then again we're all going out getting locked for a few years before we hit college.

This means im "+1"ing prinz cos the only person who really suffers if you funk up in college is you, in work, ANY line of work,:pac: theres a number of people let down. Unless your self employed with no family.

11-08-2010 03:27PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that you don't understand the term 'general rule' in that case?

Considering that no study has ever been done, there is no general rule. Yes, I know a lot of people who did Mickey Mouse courses and ended up with 2:1'degrees' for studying 10 hours a week, I also know a lot of people who worked their asses off. You might say the former is the 'norm', while personally, I know more of the latter.

You're also not considering how many hours students have to work - a lot of people I know just had no time for the pub or going out. I remember in 4th year, someone asked if anyone wanted to go for a pint after a lecture and a good 3/4 of the class responded, 'sorry, I'm working'. Perhaps that's typical, perhaps it isn't. I'm always hearing how students have endless free time and plenty of money to go out all the time. In my experience, only the rich/lazy ones fit into that category. The rich ones could party while the rest of us worked and the lazy ones came out with bad degrees.

drkpower wrote: »

Yet when you form a list of pros & cons of working v college, the worst your job is describes as is 'Working day of 9-5'......:rolleyes: No reference to how 'serious' it is; no reference to its responsibilities; why is that?

It's really not that different to what I'm doing now, except I'll be paid much more and I won't have to have two other jobs on the side. There will be very little work to take home, if I'm productive during the day. I'll be working in a team, as I often do now and any required travel is compensated. I'll have weekends off, so I can go out on a Friday night and have a lie-in the next morning. I can go away for weekend breaks or go home for the weekend.

I don't know why you have this rigid idea of what a 'serious job' entails and think overtime is normal. Every job is different and I've hardly ever had to do overtime beyond the odd hour here and there. What do you do?

Of course, as college is a preparatory to a lifetime in the workplace, it would seem highly unusual that the responsibilities and obligations in college would exceed those in the workplace it is preparing you for.

Why unusual? As I've said, college is often much more than just the academic course.

pickarooney · 11-08-2010 03:28PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Considering that no study has ever been done, there is no general rule. Yes, I know a lot of people who did Mickey Mouse courses and ended up with 2:1'degrees' for studying 10 hours a week, I also know a lot of people who worked their asses off. You might say the former is the 'norm', while personally, I know more of the latter.

You're also not considering how many hours students have to work - a lot of people I know just had no time for the pub or going out. I remember in 4th year, someone asked if anyone wanted to go for a pint after a lecture and a good 3/4 of the class responded, 'sorry, I'm working'. Perhaps that's typical, perhaps it isn't. I'm always hearing how students have endless free time and plenty of money to go out all the time. In my experience, only the rich/lazy ones fit into that category. The rich ones could party while the rest of us worked and the lazy ones came out with bad degrees.

That confirms my suspicions, thanks.

starlit · 11-08-2010 03:30PM

MarcusFenix wrote: »

I live at home (about 30miles from CIT) , can't find a job because of my location, and im entering into my 5th year of undergrad,( ladder system, never repeated an exam, let alone a year).

I did Funk all for the first two years and passed, did have a job both those years and had about 25-30 hours a week college. I wouldn't say I partied constantly, the whole living far away thing was to blame, but I did do the bollix alot!

I would say that if I carried on the way I did in college (even when I matured and knuckled down) id be jobless,loveless and probably homeless!

The course is mechanical engineering and it's VERY intense with reports,projects,labs and workshop etc.

So basically it is possible to party in college, I wouldn't say we reach the highs/lows of american college goers but then again we're all going out getting locked for a few years before we hit college.

This means im "+1"ing prinz cos the only person who really suffers if you funk up in college is you, in work, ANY line of work,:pac: theres a number of people let down. Unless your self employed with no family.

I had a feeling your were in cork!

I really knuckled down when I went to college. Proabably worked too hard for my own good!

11-08-2010 03:30PM

pickarooney wrote: »

That confirms my suspicions, thanks.

Yes, it's a general rule because you happen to think so. That's exactly what it is.

KittyeeTrix · 11-08-2010 03:30PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

No way. Always thought it was either 3rd, 4th year or just 4th year alone.

Nope, I'm a mature student who's headed into 3rd year and as far as I know it was just introduced 2 years ago. Doesn't bother me as I'm not out partying as am married with 4 kids and am a worrier over exams naturally but I can imagine the partying will come back to haunt many of the younger students later when they try for masters etc.......:(

I worked like a demon all year and got an overall 71.50 in the summer exams and am starting to get well nervous about the work involved to keep the same grades for next summers exams. I even gave my prepared exam essays (about 40 essays in total) to 2 of the young students to help them out for repeats which were on last Wednesday. I was quite suprised to see on Facebook that the 2 of them had been out partying and warped on whiskey on the Saturday night before the exam:eek:.....

They seem to have no fear or cop on, I honestly don't know which!!

prinz · 11-08-2010 03:35PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Considering that no study has ever been done, there is no general rule. Yes, I know a lot of people who did Mickey Mouse courses and ended up with 2:1'degrees' for studying 10 hours a week, I also know a lot of people who worked their asses off. You might say the former is the 'norm', while personally, I know more of the latter.
You're also not considering how many hours students have to work - a lot of people I know just had no time for the pub or going out. I remember in 4th year, someone asked if anyone wanted to go for a pint after a lecture and a good 3/4 of the class responded, 'sorry, I'm working'. Perhaps that's typical, perhaps it isn't. I'm always hearing how students have endless free time and plenty of money to go out all the time. In my experience, only the rich/lazy ones fit into that category. The rich ones could party while the rest of us worked and the lazy ones came out with bad degrees..

Ouch. Want some salt and vinegar? First you mention about there being no general rule -thereby writing off the many people who have given opinions based on personal experiences, then you go on with ridiculous generalisations of your own based on personal experience.

I was neither rich nor lazy tyvm.:rolleyes: I also worked, part-time during the academic year and my ass off every summer, saving every penny so I could enjoy myself when I got back to college.

MarcusFenix · 11-08-2010 03:35PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

I had a feeling your were in cork!

I really knuckled down when I went to college. Proabably worked too hard for my own good!

Your spreading this across two threads!?:eek:

Badass.......trés badass!:cool:

pickarooney · 11-08-2010 03:37PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Yes, it's a general rule because you happen to think so. That's exactly what it is.

You said you happened to think so yourself in the post I quoted. Honestly, I know you like nothing better than a good verbal scrap but when you start arguing with yourself it's a bit of a lost cause.

11-08-2010 03:41PM

prinz wrote: »

Ouch. Want some salt and vinegar? First you mention about there being no general rule -thereby writing off the many people who have given opinions based on personal experiences, then you go on with ridiculous generalisations of your own based on personal experience.

I was neither rich nor lazy tyvm.:rolleyes: I also worked, part-time during the academic year and my ass off every summer, saving every penny so I could enjoy myself when I got back to college.

And were you on my course? If not, how exactly am I referring to you? I said the people I knew who partied loads of either rich or lazy. Fact. Point out where I'm generalizing, please. I'm stating what I observed in my class in college and the people I've known over the last few years. So where exactly are these assumptions and generalizations?

starlit · 11-08-2010 03:42PM

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

Nope, I'm a mature student who's headed into 3rd year and as far as I know it was just introduced 2 years ago. Doesn't bother me as I'm not out partying as am married with 4 kids and am a worrier over exams naturally but I can imagine the partying will come back to haunt many of the younger students later when they try for masters etc.......:(

I worked like a demon all year and got an overall 71.50 in the summer exams and am starting to get well nervous about the work involved to keep the same grades for next summers exams. I even gave my prepared exam essays (about 40 essays in total) to 2 of the young students to help them out for repeats which were on last Wednesday. I was quite suprised to see on Facebook that the 2 of them had been out partying and warped on whiskey on the Saturday night before the exam:eek:.....

They seem to have no fear or cop on, I honestly don't know which!!

ya never understood why people did that! how they did that at all and be able to sit an exam with a clear head at all!? I tended to give up the drink at least a month before the major exams the end of the year and it always came in my favour! I wouldn't mind going out say when assignments are due but when it came to class CA tests I never touched a drop of drink too close to the time maybe a week before maximum!
Rarely the weekend before unless it was a wedding or special occasion but tried not to drink too much so I wouldnt have to deal with a hangover. Once ever I went to a wedding at a weekend and passed all my CA's except didn't do too well in the first one two days after the wedding, I blame the drink! I did brilliant in the rest of them!

MarcusFenix wrote: »

Your spreading this across two threads!?:eek:

Badass.......trés badass!:cool:

I know I'm great like that! Great long term memory!

pickarooney · 11-08-2010 03:46PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

I know I'm great like that! Great long term memory!

If you really had a great long-term memory you wouldn't need to revise in the week before exams

prinz · 11-08-2010 03:47PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

And were you on my course? If not, how exactly am I referring to you? I said the people I knew who partied loads of either rich or lazy. Fact. Point out where I'm generalizing, please. I'm stating what I observed in my class in college and the people I've known over the last few years. So where exactly are these assumptions and generalizations?

Forgive me but your posts are steeped in insinuations about Mickey Mouse degrees, degree grade levels, etc.

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

I'm always hearing how students have endless free time and plenty of money to go out all the time. In my experience, only the rich/lazy ones fit into that category.

Any mention of this being confined to your course alone?

where's all this talk of College been a non stop party

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