where's all this talk of College been a non stop party

genericguy · 11-08-2010 11:27AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Unless you want a postgrad or something with funding and they ask for all previous years' results

i got one of those, and i couldn't even remember what i did in college. wtf is a gene, i'd say.

Tar.Aldarion · 11-08-2010 11:29AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Unless you want a postgrad or something with funding and they ask for all previous years' results

Nah I got offered masters + funded phds with my results, didn't really matter, although they asked about it, talking to you in person mattered.

norrie rugger · 11-08-2010 11:29AM

genericguy wrote: »

wtf is a gene, i'd say.

First part of your name??

piby · 11-08-2010 11:29AM

I'd echo earlier comments about the influence of American, and even British, culture on influencing Irish people's expectations of what college will be like. Don't forget that in both those countries people generally live out although they leave college with loads of debt. The flip side is I lived at home and have no debt finishing both my undergrad and masters but I don't think I got the 'full' experience if you like. The ones I knew who had the most fun and the 'typical' college life were the ones from the country or abroad who lived in halls. I think that whole being 17/18 away from home for the first time and living among a hundred other people all in the same boat helps a lot. I have a few friends who did their degrees here and then went abroad for postgrad etc. and they're now having a much better time socially (and I do mean sex, drugs and rock''Roll!!) than they ever did first time round here. Yes there was parties and lots of them but once you've been to a few and realised they're all the same the novelty wears off a little. Don't get me wrong I loved college regardless, had fun, made friends and got a degree along the way but if I was 18 again I'd probably have gone to the UK for the full experience!

Going back once you're past your mid-20's won't really be the same. Certainly it might be valuable in terms of the qualifications you get and you'll still have a good time but if you're looking for the boozefests and orgies you might be disappointed :cool:

drkpower · 11-08-2010 11:32AM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

Oh, I just love people who make assumptions. Who says it's supposed to be the other way around? Oh yes, you think so, so it's like that for everyone. Of course.

Meowww; where's your handbag.....;)

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

don't know what kind of job you have which requires taking in new, complicated information every single day, but I can tell you I've never had a job like that. I've gone to work with hardly any sleep for various reasons and got on absolutely fine. I had an observation the day after the work night out (I was working as a teacher) and did brilliantly. Perhaps I'm just naturally better at my job(s) than you are.

Why didnt you say you were a teacher before; that explains everything....:D

Or worse at college, perhaps.....;) I do have what most people would consider quite a challenging job and I do take in and advise on 'new, complicated information (almost) every single day'. But to be honest, my own view (which is, of course, the correct one) is that almost any job which requires a degree of intellect and concentration - and I would certainly class teaching as one of them - warrants a more 'sober' performance on a daily basis than almost any college course.

The fact that you teach(ed) for a living yet believe that a colllege course requires more thought/concentration and refer to 'showing up and getting through the day' is somewhat disturbing and says a lot for your competence, enthusiasm and interest in the job.

11-08-2010 11:47AM

drkpower wrote: »

Meowww; where's your handbag.....;)

Why didnt you say you were a teacher before; that explains everything....:D

Or worse at college, perhaps.....;) I do have what most people would consider quite a challenging job and I do take in and advise on 'new, complicated information (almost) every single day'. But to be honest, my own view (which is, of course, the correct one) is that almost any job which requires a degree of intellect and concentration - and I would certainly class teaching as one of them - warrants a more 'sober' performance on a daily basis than almost any college course.

The fact that you teach(ed) for a living yet believe that a colllege course requires more thought/concentration and refer to 'showing up and getting through the day' is somewhat disturbing and says a lot for your competence, enthusiasm and interest in the job.

Again with your assumptions. You have no idea what I teach (and the past simple of teach is taught, FYI), how many hours, what other jobs I do, what I study. So you might want to stop assuming anything about my competence and performance.

I'm not sure why you're acting like I think it's OK to show up wasted at work every day. I'm clearly talking about the very odd time here and there - after the staff party, for example, when I don't get my eight hours sleep and might have had a few drinks the night before. If my boss, director of studies and fellow teachers saw no problem with turning up tired and a bit hungover one day, I'm not sure why you do. I'm very good at teaching, I have a huge file of classes prepared in advance, I know my stuff and I'm professional enough to be motivated, enthusiastic and put on a happy face no matter what's going on in my personal life. Again, if you're not able to do that, or your job isn't like that, it has nothing to do with me and my job. Again, the MA course I'm doing now is very demanding. If I stay up doing work until 2 or 3 am, the next day is a total write off. That hasn't been the case with any job I've ever done. After college, I worked in reception and in call centres for over a year to save money for my MA. If you reckon you couldn't do those jobs, and perform well, without being tucked up in bed by 10pm, God help you.

Perhaps you didn't have as much work in college as I did/do? Perhaps you didn't have to be up at 7am every day and come home after your part time job (at 10 or 11pm) to complete assignments for the next day? Perhaps you didn't have to spend weekends doing required reading? Most people I know find working full time a piece of cake compared to college, especially postgraduate study.

Blisterman · 11-08-2010 12:00PM

Undergrad - Yeah
Postgrad - No

We don't even get a summer break.

notsureatall · 11-08-2010 12:06PM

College is a crazy ride in my opinion,I did move aboard and move into halls so I guess I did have the full "american" experience of random parties and lots of casual sex ,drugs,rock n roll etc.Being in a completely new place having to make the effort with people definitely stands to me today.Thank god Ive two more years left of it!!:p

11-08-2010 12:31PM

drkpower wrote: »

FFS; what did you go to college for? So you could get a job to which you would just 'show up and get through the day'......:rolleyes:

If it is easier for you to work hungover than it was for you to go to college hungover, you need to think about what you are doing with your prfoessional life. Hint: its supposed to be the other way around.

(And yes, I am aware of the irony of me making this statement while wasting time on Boards while in work - but hey, I am super-efficient and will do a bit of work in 10 minutes, promise......;))

To a certain degree it is true what he says. I am doing doing a postgrad and I go out more now than I did in undergrad.

Two main reasons being having more money and the other living away from home.

It is also easier to work in the lab hungover than to study hungover which is impossible.

El Siglo · 11-08-2010 12:39PM

Your mom goes to college.

jester77 · 11-08-2010 12:40PM

It's just about getting the right balance. You don't go out and get wasted when you've an assignment due the next morning or an exam at 11:00. I partied hard during college but i also had the sense to know that if something needs doing then I get that over with first.

Or is that too much logic for students these days

11-08-2010 12:41PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Nah I got offered masters + funded phds with my results, didn't really matter, although they asked about it, talking to you in person mattered.

Got a masters easy enough but some sheer amount of questions for phd funding, every single flipping result you ever did

Horse_box · 11-08-2010 12:47PM

I went mad for the first 2 years of college. Drink, drugs and Rock N Roll

I failed the two years! Copped on after that tho

drkpower · 11-08-2010 01:03PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

I'm not sure why you're acting like I think it's OK to show up wasted at work every day. I'm clearly talking about the very odd time here and there - after the staff party, for example, when I don't get my eight hours sleep and might have had a few drinks the night before.

Oh stop crying; and stop assuming what I am saying when you are so upset that I am making assumptions about you....... I never ever ever said that you think its ok to show up wasted at work every day. Why are you assuming, why are you being so mean etc etc....:rolleyes:

Anyhoo, what you said was this: It's hard to study properly when you're hung over/tired all the time. With work you can just show up and get through the day.

Now, the clear implication of the second sentence following on from the first one, is that your turning up for work hungover and just getting through the day, is, eh, a little more regular than the annual party. Perhaps you didnt intend that implication but it is what your sentence clearly implies. And given you are so particular about your grammar (taught/teach(ed)....:D) you really should be more careful.;)

But in any case, my issue is not with how often you get wasted; it is with your general rule that it is easier to work whilst hungover/tired than it is to go to college. As a general rule, that is nonsense. There may be exceptions to the rule, but in the vast majority of cases, you need to be and you should be more alerted and concentrated whilst working. After all, college is preparation for work, and not vice versa.

If you are doing a job that requires less concentration/performance than your average day in college, or if you find your job time a piece of cake compared to college, you need to challenge yourself a little more.

drkpower · 11-08-2010 01:08PM

Pedro Mango Treachery wrote: »

It is also easier to work in the lab hungover than to study hungover which is impossible.

Perhaps, but in the vast majority of courses, the amount of time spent actually studying (ie. real head in the books studying) is limited; it happens at certain times of the year or if you are very conscientious, a little more than that. The bulk of the time in most courses is didactic lectures where you sit back and maybe have to concentrate a little on what is being said. But, hey, if you dont get it because your head is a little fuzzy, you can always review the issue again at some later point. That type of freedom is a rarity in a proper job.

11-08-2010 01:22PM

drkpower wrote: »

Oh stop crying; and stop assuming what I am saying when you are so upset that I am making assumptions about you....... I never ever ever said that you think its ok to show up wasted at work every day. Why are you assuming, why are you being so mean etc etc....:rolleyes:

Anyhoo, what you said was this: It's hard to study properly when you're hung over/tired all the time. With work you can just show up and get through the day.

Now, the clear implication of the second sentence following on from the first one, is that your turning up for work hungover and just getting through the day, is, eh, a little more regular than the annual party. Perhaps you didnt intend that implication but it is what your sentence clearly implies. And given you are so particular about your grammar (taught/teach(ed)....:D) you really should be more careful.;)

It isn't what it implies. Perhaps you need to get a better grasp of English. And if my original post wasn't clear enough, I then clarified even further in my second post that I very rarely turn up to work tired/hungover and you still didn't get it.

But in any case, my issue is not with how often you get wasted; it is with your general rule that it is easier to work whilst hungover/tired than it is to go to college. As a general rule, that is nonsense. There may be exceptions to the rule, but in the vast majority of cases, you need to be and you should be more alerted and concentrated whilst working. After all, college is preparation for work, and not vice versa.

There is no general rule. You're simply arrogant enough to assume your experience applies to all of us. I don't think there's one person on my entire college course who finds working full time more challenging than college. Perhaps your course was not demanding, perhaps you hardly had any lectures. I've already made it clear that was never the case for me.

If you are doing a job that requires less concentration/performance than your average day in college, or if you find your job time a piece of cake compared to college, you need to challenge yourself a little more.

I already stated why I find college more challenging and you chose to ignore it. My college day was about 14 hours long. I got up at 7 to leave the house at 7.45 to get into college at 8.45 ready to start at 9, I stayed in college most days until well after 6, then worked in the evenings, then got home after 10pm to do my homework/assignments. Weekends were taken up with required reading and assignments. I have never had a job which required that much of my time and concentration and I highly doubt that you do.

I hardly know anyone who isn't a waster or a spoiled, lazy brat who actually did party their way through college and I don't know anyone who did that and did well. Almost everyone on my postgrad course agrees that working is easier than studying and some of those people are over 50 and have worked as journalists, lawyers, airline pilots and all sorts of other jobs. Rather than assuming that my job is piss easy and I'm rubbish at it, why not assume your college course was a doss and they'd give out a First to anyone?

And it's hilarious that you're implying I don't take work seriously when you spend your working day on Boards. I don't even have internet access at work.

Herbal Deity · 11-08-2010 01:29PM

It's all about balance and prioritization.

It is perfectly possible to do the drugs, sex and rock n' roll thing through college and still get your firsts. But like, if you're going to miss lectures because of staying out all night, then you've gotta make sure you catch up, and you've gotta make sure you stay on top of assignments etc.

Milena Damp Backbone: You really had ~45 hours lectures a week?

andrew · 11-08-2010 01:32PM

Out of curiosity Milena Damp Backbone, what'd you study for your undergrad?

11-08-2010 01:38PM

Herbal Deity wrote: »

It's all about balance and prioritization.

It is perfectly possible to do the drugs, sex and rock n' roll thing through college and still get your firsts. But like, if you're going to miss lectures because of staying out all night, then you've gotta make sure you catch up, and you've gotta make sure you stay on top of assignments etc.

Milena Damp Backbone: You really had ~45 hours lectures a week?

I don't know anyone who got a First and did that.

No, I didn't have 45 hours of lectures a week, but university study hardly means you're free when you don't have a class. For this academic year, I had to be in the lab almost all day, every day, with a break for lunch and yes, breaks for lectures. Then when I went home, I had another few hours to do. An entire night off was a rarity for me. When I was working, my day was over at 5 and the rest of the evening was all mine.

Vinta81 · 11-08-2010 01:53PM

It's all aobut what course you're doing and how well you can balance your study/party time.

I love college, love my course and once I get the work out the way, usually as soon as I get it then my nightlife can be as messy as I want it too be

rossie1977 · 11-08-2010 01:57PM

i went out 2 nights a week in my final undergrad year (wed and thur nites) and still got a first in my degree, in saying that even if i was out till 5 or 6am the night before i would always make it in for first lecture, i think my first lecture on friday morning of my final year was 11am, class attendance at that was usually about 20%

at postgrad we often stayed in college doing projects till 11pm but as a class we still found loads of time to socialise. someone mentioned earlier it depends alot on your classmates, thats very true, i was lucky enough to have some great classmates both at undergrad and postgrad

scientific1982 · 11-08-2010 01:58PM

You must have went to the wrong college. My first time there it was such a non-stop party I had to drop out. Went back and eventually got my degree but serious liver damage.

drkpower · 11-08-2010 02:02PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

It isn't what it implies. Perhaps you need to get a better grasp of English. And if my original post wasn't clear enough, I then clarified even further in my second post that I very rarely turn up to work tired/hungover and you still didn't get it. .

Of course it was what was implied. That much is obvious. And of course, I have already acccepted your clarification. But you missed that, didnt you....:rolleyes:

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

There is no general rule. .

Of course there is. College is a breeze. Most people do 10-30 hourse per week. About 26-30 weeks a year. Exams of significance twice a year. Its a doddle. Your course may be within one of the exceptions I referred to, though.

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

I already stated why I find college more challenging and you chose to ignore it. My college day was about 14 hours long. I got up at 7 to leave the house at 7.45 to get into college at 8.45 ready to start at 9, I stayed in college most days until well after 6, then worked in the evenings, then got home after 10pm to do my homework/assignments. Weekends were taken up with required reading and assignments. I have never had a job which required that much of my time and concentration and I highly doubt that you do. .

And i am the one assuming.....:D
What about a job where you work 12 hours a day all week (including a 36 hour shift between Tue & Thursday), and on Friday you work all the way through to the following Monday evening, 24/7, without a break and then work the whole week Mon-Fri 12 hours a day. And, during that time, you make life & death decisions. Is that sufficient time and concentration for you? :P

Of course, it seems that you need to do multiple hours of personal study time per day to make up all of those hours you do; most normal students can do far far less, and have a good social life, and skip a few lectures, and still do extremely well. But I guess you cant do that.

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

And it's hilarious that you're implying I don't take work seriously when you spend your working day on Boards. I don't even have internet access at work.

Yeah, i made that very point myself on my first post but well done for spotting it....:D What can I say, August is a quiet month. And Im getting my underlings to do my work for me, so its all good.

prinz · 11-08-2010 02:14PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

My college day was about 14 hours long..

My college week was less than 14 hours long (actual lectures that was) :pac:. In fairness with a timetable like that putting in the extra study hours yourself to make up a 9-5 day week in week out set you up for the year; and it's not difficult to make it to a lecture at 9 if you have one.

As for work v study, if I messed up an assignment/work/missed a lecture at college the only person it affected at the end of the day was myself. If only work operated the same way :rolleyes: I make a balls of something because I'm tired/hungover it affects other people..

Funny thing isI don't know anyone who would say undergrad was more difficult than working. Guess people make the experiences for themselves.

11-08-2010 02:14PM

drkpower wrote: »

Of course it was what was implied. That much is obvious. And of course, I have already acccepted your clarification. But you missed that, didnt you....:rolleyes:

Well, why are you still going on about it then?

Of course there is. College is a breeze. Most people do 10-30 hourse per week. About 26-30 weeks a year. Exams of significance twice a year. Its a doddle. Your course may be within one of the exceptions I referred to, though.

I didn't do other courses, so I don't know. But what does it matter? I gave my personal experience, that for me, college was way more demanding than work, and you insulted me for that. I told you multiple times that people have different experiences, yet you seemed so sure that it meant I was a bad worker. I told you exactly why I think work is easier than college and yet you still insisted that I must not be 'challenging myself' enough. :rolleyes:

And i am the one assuming.....:D
What about a job where you work 12 hours a day all week (including a 36 hour shift between Tue & Thursday), and on Friday you work all the way through to the following Monday evening, 24/7, without a break and then work the whole week Mon-Fri 12 hours a day. And, during that time, you make life & death decisions. Is that sufficient time and concentration for you? :P

Fell into the trap, didn't you. Do you work crazy hours? Yes. Do most people work those hours? No. But somehow you can't believe that for some people, it's like that in college. You still haven't acknowledged that many students have to work through college, so have their 20 hours a week of classes/lectures, a job and assignments and reading. When exactly do you think they're going to fit in partying every night? Where do you expect them to get the money?

Yeah, i made that very point myself on my first post but well done for spotting it....:D What can I say, August is a quiet month. And Im getting my underlings to do my work for me, so its all good.

What does it matter if you made the point yourself? You were criticising me for going to work tired, but you can waste your working day on Boards?

Herbal Deity · 11-08-2010 02:15PM

Milena Damp Backbone wrote: »

I don't know anyone who got a First and did that.

Hi, my name is Herbal

3 out of 4 years done, firsts in each year so far, and it's not a Mickey Mouse/Arts course either. Generally, I'd go out to a club/party once or twice a week, and be in the pub 2 or 3 times a week.

You sound like you had a particularly time intensive degree, with lots of compulsory labs. I guess you're just unlucky in this sense.

--Kaiser-- · 11-08-2010 02:16PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

i can attest to the 40 40 40 1.1 method... only way to do it!!

Huh?

prinz · 11-08-2010 02:19PM

drkpower wrote: »

What about a job where you work 12 hours a day all week (including a 36 hour shift between Tue & Thursday), and on Friday you work all the way through to the following Monday evening, 24/7, without a break and then work the whole week Mon-Fri 12 hours a day. And, during that time, you make life & death decisions. Is that sufficient time and concentration for you? :P
Yeah, i made that very point myself on my first post but well done for spotting it....:D What can I say, August is a quiet month. And Im getting my underlings to do my work for me, so its all good.

I don't think you count. BTW you should give Robin a break Batman!

Itsdacraic · 11-08-2010 02:21PM

Hank_Jones wrote: »

I'm sure that there are people who go to college and party the whole time and have casual sex.
I can't imagine these are the people who do well in college though.
Certainly anyone I know who goes out drinking the whole time and doesn't show up for classes does fairly terrible.

:rolleyes:

11-08-2010 02:23PM

prinz wrote: »

My college week was less than 14 hours long (actual lectures that was) :pac:. In fairness with a timetable like that putting in the extra study hours yourself to make up a 9-5 day week in week out set you up for the year; and it's not difficult to make it to a lecture at 9 if you have one.

Well, lucky you?

As for work v study, if I messed up an assignment/work/missed a lecture at college the only person it affected at the end of the day was myself. If only work operated the same way :rolleyes: I make a balls of something because I'm tired/hungover it affects other people..

It depends what you do though, doesn't it? I'd find it worse to mess up an assignment because I paid a fortune to go to college and those grades affect the rest of my life. I wouldn't have had half the opportunities I've had if I'd coasted my way through undergrad. The worst thing I did while working was program someone's room key with the wrong number, after working a 12 hour shift starting 6 hours after my last one. Big deal, I fixed it within 5 minutes. Perhaps if I were a surgeon or a paramedic or an air traffic controller, I might feel differently. But I'm not.

Funny thing isI don't know anyone who would say undergrad was more difficult than working. Guess people make the experiences for themselves.

I said I found it easier to have more of a social life when I was working, because I had a) more time, b) more money and c) it mattered less if I was tired. I had to read LOADS in college (undergrad and postgrad) and personally, when I'm tired, I can't take in loads of new information. It's bad enough today, because I was up late finishing something, which is why I'm taking so many breaks. When it came to my day job, I could just have a coffee and put in a perfectly acceptable performance.

where's all this talk of College been a non stop party

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