Bloody Greens are worse than FF...

Gurgle · 10-08-2010 11:36AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

we are ****ing up the environment, there is no doubt about that, but I agree, a lot of this tax increase is just a stealth tax.

Yes, we're mucking up the environment. No arguement there.
We're not doing it exclusively, or even primarily with CO2.

At worst, CO2 is a factor in long term global weather patterns but for at least the next hundred years our efforts would be better spent on trying to eliminate chemical pollution, desertification, waste management (Pacific and Atlantic Garbage patches).

RMD · 10-08-2010 11:37AM

A shower of ignorant people pleasing ****.

Lost any respect I had for them once Ryan tried to push through legislation making Heineken cup rugby matches freeview in Ireland, that would have essentially killed Irish rugby within the next 20-30 years.

gbee · 10-08-2010 11:37AM

It's not my quote but I'll say it again:

"The Greens would cure a patient with a sort throat by cutting his head off!"

Unfortunately, this was 'supposed' to be a joke ... I'm not giving any green or former green any vote.

Total pricks.

Essien · 10-08-2010 11:38AM

FortyPlusHubby wrote: »

What do you mean nobody uses renewable energy???

What planet do you live on?

40pH

Earth, it's been here long enough, I'm sure it's gonna be here in 10 years time too. So maybe the powers that be can wait until after the recession to hike up my bills so I can save it.

johndaman66 · 10-08-2010 11:55AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

so you believe that there is a machine in the centre of the earth that is still producing oil and gas

No I don't. Now that you brought up the subject though there is a general consensus among the scientific community that that oil will run out in the next 40 years or so (even though we have not quite hit peak oil yet) and thats factoring in higher demand from rapidly developing countries such as India and China. Believe it or not though there is however another widely accepted school of thought in the scientific community that oil will never run out.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

and that the Polar Ice caps melting is because it's summer?

Do you know I'm not sure. I was watching a nature program some time back and it was a real eye opener. It would seem that the world goes through hot and cold cycles periodically and it happens much more frequent than you might imagine, every couple of 1,000 years, which in the scheme of things is quite often. I'm not saying us burning fossil fuels and what not is not contributing to polar ice caps melting but to what extent I do wonder or would this happen anyway perhaps?...albeit at a slower pace maybe? Remember that equipment which measures the rate at which polar ice caps are melting is not around too long so how do we not know that this was happening just as rapidly if not more swiftly before we started burning fossil fuels or otherwise started pumping out smog and toxons into the atmosphere. Furthermore these areas of the world have only being explored relatively recently in the scheme of things.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

we are ****ing up the environment, there is no doubt about that, but I agree, a lot of this tax increase is just a stealth tax.

Generally agreed with you there. And I don't see how lumping on extra taxes/ levies and whatnot to a price of a litre of petrol or diesel at the pumps is the solution. Some people may cut back on using the car but overall our use would not change immensly I'd imagine so it would end up being an extra burden on people for the most part. If more resources were spent on improving public transport for example it would be a great help. In my own scenario a commuter bus service where the two most local bus stops to me are 10 miles apart is hardly good enough. The fact that it seldom gets me to my destination on time either (and I am making allowances for the fact that traffic can be an unknown factor at times) is not good enough if I want to hold down my job.

Rabidlamb · 10-08-2010 12:18PM

I've had a theory for sometime about the rise of green politics in recent years.
I see it filling the void left religion in our new secular society.

It seems that people require there fix of guilt in order to function.
Seems to be a flaw in the human makeup.

Someone has to tell them where they're going wrong & applaud them when they're obedient.
Doesn't matter if it's the church or environmentalists handing out the gold stars.

Sanjuro · 10-08-2010 12:20PM

That complete and utter useless waste of oxygen, Eamonn Ryan is my local Green TD. And I will admit, I voted for the cunt in the last general election. More fool me. But I have written to him on a number of occassions concerning issues in the Dail. The emails started off formal and concise. And they've steadily degenerated into what can only be described as profane abuse. And never has the useless prick replied.

The Greens are a shambolic excuse for a political party. They know they're proper fucked in terms of power, so they're trying to get as much bullshit passed as they can before they're cosigned to history. Still, doesn't hurt to let these pricks know what you think of them. Email them. If nothing else, it'll clog their inboxes. And no green issue can fix that!!

R0ot · 10-08-2010 12:21PM

Greens by name, Idiots by nature.

Viper_JB · 10-08-2010 12:24PM

Ireland will be really green when no one but the politicians and bankers can afford to live in a house or own a car, or have a job will be just like the good old days. It does seem like you can justify anything once it's under a green canopy.

Biggins · 10-08-2010 12:28PM

Viper_JB wrote: »

you can justify anything once it's under a green canopy.

...Speaking of which...

By the time they are out of power, its possible the only thing some will be able to afford will be a green can of peas!

I know, I'm having a bad joke day.

(I only wish the Greens were as funny - instead of depressing.)

Morlar · 10-08-2010 12:30PM

I think we need to add 'Greens in power' to the long list of things that Fianna Fail have to answer for.

Sanjuro · 10-08-2010 12:32PM

Morlar wrote: »

I think we need to add 'Greens in power' to the long list of things that Fianna Fail have to answer for.

As much as I loathe Fianna Fail, the blame for Greens in power lies squarely with the Irish people. Hopefully we wont make the same mistake twice... although judging by history...

Viper_JB · 10-08-2010 12:36PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

As much as I loathe Fianna Fail, the blame for Greens in power lies squarely with the Irish people. Hopefully we wont make the same mistake twice... although judging by history...

I'd have to disagree with this, percentage wise the greens have a very small number of councillors in the dail, just FF managed to pick the most unpopular/idiotic bunch of arseholes to hop into bed with. Pretty good idea really, no matter how bad a move FF make the greens will do something to take the heat by directly attacking the people.

Morlar · 10-08-2010 12:37PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

As much as I loathe Fianna Fail, the blame for Greens in power lies squarely with the Irish people. Hopefully we wont make the same mistake twice... although judging by history...

Fianna Fail chose to enter a coalition with them (as they would with practically anyone on the planet) & in a desperate bid for power have given them almost free reign over the country despite the dire economic situation. I'd not be in such a hurry to let them off the hook for that.

Sanjuro · 10-08-2010 12:38PM

Morlar wrote: »

Fianna Fail chose to enter a coalition with them (as they would with practically anyone on the planet) & in a desperate bid for power have given them almost free reign over the country despite the dire economic situation. I'd not be in such a hurry to let them off the hook for that.

Well of course Fianna Fail did. They'd make a coalition with Satan if it meant they'd stay in power. We still gave the Greens enough votes to put them in a bargaining position. We're as much complicit as Fianna Fail.

speedboatchase · 10-08-2010 12:52PM

How did the hell did we end up with a Green Party in power in our coalition? All they do is tax and all their ideas sound okay, but I don't wanna pay for them

Biggins · 10-08-2010 12:53PM

There is a major difference between the FF mafia and the Greens.
The FF gang have been now around for decades and have a deeper base of local cultural support/extended family tradition support. A lot of this consists of the equivalent of dumb sheep who will vote for FF just because their daddy/mammy did so or daddy was a previous party member or supporter.
That and "my local FF member got the street lights fixed" or "He helped my friend to get a house" - well that all means he surely must be a good guy over the decades, lets vote for him again!
- Or "well we have been voting that way for years, we should continue to do so!"

The Greens haven't had the generation support to keep them going (and thank god else more fools would vote them back in). They from the very start of sitting in power, been exposed for the crap party they are and so this "generation base" has failed to be able to culminate into anything substantial.

This is why to a great extent I firmly believe more so that at the next election they stand a much better chance of being wiped out.
Now if we can only wake up the other dumb sheep that still blindly support the other better organised mafia, well Ireland would start to be a better place with more accountability practises being given a good start to grow.

Liam Byrne · 10-08-2010 12:53PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

As much as I loathe Fianna Fail, the blame for Greens in power lies squarely with the Irish people. Hopefully we wont make the same mistake twice... although judging by history...

Personally speaking, guilty as charged.....mind you, I will point out that they got my vote using false pretences and lies.

Who's at fault ? Maybe me, for believing their promises of integrity.

As the saying goes : "Fool me once, shame on you.....", so the vote that they got is shame on them.

But fool me twice ? Not a hope in hell!

Chinasea · 10-08-2010 01:48PM

As far as I am concerned and what I have seen and heard all the opponents of the Green Party are self absorbed, narrow minded, selfish, short-sighted, don't want to pay for anything or contribute to the communal funds, excessive children producing and demanding free education fascists. Don’t hug trees PLANT ONE NEAR YOU

Biggins · 10-08-2010 01:52PM

Chinasea wrote: »

As far as I am concerned and what I have seen and heard all the opponents of the Green Party are self absorbed, narrow minded, selfish, short-sighted, don't want to pay for anything or contribute to the communal funds, excessive children producing and demanding free education fascists. Don’t hug trees PLANT ONE NEAR YOU

Way to go, drag all in like a troll like fashion. :rolleyes:

Pardon me for being a home-owner, a parent, spectacle wearer, a business owner, taxpayer, responsible and caring citizen amid other things...

I must be evil indeed.

gbee · 10-08-2010 01:56PM

BTW, locally, last election I did not vote for any Green as I was their dictatorship and militancy emerge even then.

But the green that was not elected locally was put in the holding tank by Bertie anyway.

ejmaztec · 10-08-2010 01:58PM

Chinasea wrote: »

As far as I am concerned and what I have seen and heard all the opponents of the Green Party are self absorbed, narrow minded, selfish, short-sighted, don't want to pay for anything or contribute to the communal funds, excessive children producing and demanding free education fascists. Don’t hug trees, hang the Greens from them

:P

The Waltzing Consumer · 10-08-2010 02:05PM

Bit of an overreaction on this thread to the greens and this ESB increase. I think its pretty annoying that the ESB goes up and down and up and down, but apart from that, get a grip.

Simple, if you worry about a five percent increase, reduce your electricity usage by five percent. I wonder how many posters who are moaning about this leave there computers on all day?

There was some guy moaning about the impact of this increase on OAPs on the news yesterday. Problem is, the vast majority of OAPs get these bills paid for through household benefits etc.. The only OAPs that dont qualify are wealthy feckers.

Worse than FF? :rolleyes:

Morlar · 10-08-2010 02:07PM

Chinasea wrote: »

As far as I am concerned and what I have seen and heard all the opponents of the Green Party are self absorbed, narrow minded, selfish, short-sighted, don't want to pay for anything or contribute to the communal funds, excessive children producing and demanding free education fascists. Don’t hug trees PLANT ONE NEAR YOU

There are 55 posts in this thread. If your post is the only one in support of the green party then that would give us all a nice graphical indicator of the current level of their political support in Ireland.

ejmaztec · 10-08-2010 02:09PM

Everyone had a soft spot for the Greens, until they sold themselves, their supporters, and the rest of the population down the river. FF don't care whether or not the Greens get wiped out at the next election, they will have served FF's purpose. The electorate won't give a sh1t either, if the Greens disappear into oblivion, because it will have been self-inflicted.

Morlar · 10-08-2010 02:13PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Bit of an overreaction on this thread to the greens and this ESB increase. rolleyes:

If you were standing beside someone who kept repeatedly punching you in the face you would not consider each single punch on it's own individual merits, 'Oh well this one didn't really hurt too much this one isn't doing any permanent damage' Smack 'Oh well this one by itself isn't the worst so far'. Bang 'Oh well . . . . '

That is not the way it works - this latest green charge/Cost/levy is not the first, or the second, or even the third, or fourth etc It makes more sense to me to view them collectively. Which is also what most people are doing.

Viper_JB · 10-08-2010 02:15PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

There was some guy moaning about the impact of this increase on OAPs on the news yesterday. Problem is, the vast majority of OAPs get these bills paid for through household benefits etc.. The only OAPs that dont qualify are wealthy feckers.

More worried about the increase on what little multi nationals and large companies we have left, if they can do business cheaper else where they will and electricity is a huge part of those running costs. We don't need any more excuses to have them up and leave.

fontanalis · 10-08-2010 02:16PM

You know what will happen; the greens will get blamed for everything (I hope they get decimated) and FF will somehow escape any responsibilty.

Gurgle · 10-08-2010 02:17PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Everyone had a soft spot for the Greens, until they sold themselves, their supporters, and the rest of the population down the river.

Thats pretty much it.
At the last election, I was hoping for FG / Labour / Greens to form a government where the Greens would push some of the budget surplus into commercialization of proper renewables. I thought there was some hope that they would give it a go even with FF at the wheel, but no real effort was made.

gbee · 10-08-2010 02:17PM

Morlar wrote: »

If you were standing beside someone who kept repeatedly punching you in the face you would not consider each single punch on it's own individual merits, 'Oh well this one didn't really hurt too much this one isn't doing any permanent damage' Smack 'Oh well this one by itself isn't the worst so far'. Bang 'Oh well . . . . '

I think this is brilliant.

Bloody Greens are worse than FF...

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