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Diarmuid · 06-08-2010 09:51PM

McDougal wrote: »

On average public sector workers are more qualified and skilled than private sector ones.

So presumable they are not "ordinary workers" then?

Head The Wall · 07-08-2010 08:24AM

deise blue wrote: »

You are simply deluding yourself , the Croke Park deal is in situ.

No pay cuts or pension reform discussions until 2014.

Savings to be made via direct/indirect taxation and spending cuts.

You may console yourself that the C P deal can still facilitate pay cuts and pension reform prior to 2014 but every Irish economist worth his salt gas already conceded that this simply won't happen .

I look forward to resuming this discussion in mid 2014

Yes the croke park deal is in place, but only as long as we meet our financial targets.

You may not be aware but we are far from out of the recession and tax revenues are down.

Unemployment is still increasing so while PS pay is not increasing for everyone (increments or you like to refer to it as a contractual agreement pffft) employment levels are remaining static but we have had to pay lump sums and pensions to 10,000 retirees.

The costs of running the country are increasing. All these things will affect us meeting our budgetary targets.

You are of the opinion that the CP deal is signed so the problem is solved. Wasn't the last wage agreement signed as well and look what happened that, it was scrapped and the PS got a pay cut. There's a precedent there and it can happen again so take your head out of the sand.

deise blue · 07-08-2010 09:40AM

What this Government craves is a prolonged period of industrial relations stability.

To achieve this they will adhere to the C P agreement and will achieve budgetary targets by spending cuts and direct/indirect taxation.

Head The Wall · 07-08-2010 11:03AM

I'm not doubting that they would prefer no industrial action but the reality is that the fiscal measures may not work out as expected. There's only so much slashing and taxation that can be done. We have to get our GDP deficit to 3% by 2014, I for one can see a problem here as they are predicting it will be around 20% by year end

murphaph · 07-08-2010 03:34PM

deise blue wrote: »

You are simply deluding yourself , the Croke Park deal is in situ.

No pay cuts or pension reform discussions until 2014.

Savings to be made via direct/indirect taxation and spending cuts.

You may console yourself that the C P deal can still facilitate pay cuts and pension reform prior to 2014 but every Irish economist worth his salt gas already conceded that this simply won't happen .

I look forward to resuming this discussion in mid 2014

You might be one of the few left in Ireland at that stage. Don't forget to turn off the lights (if the Electricians Union of Ireland allows that) before you leave.

Country is going down the sh!tter faster than nobody's business and you're delighted about it, or so it would seem. WE NEED TO START MAKING BIG SAVINGS!

Head The Wall · 07-08-2010 05:20PM

He must be a politician, who else thinks things are going perfectly to plan. There's nobody that stupid or is there. Maybe it's Martin Cullen, retired TD from Waterford

WalterMitty · 07-08-2010 05:28PM

Public servants seem to forget that its the rest of the workers and taxpayers that ultimately carry them as they are net drain on exchequer. They use their organised power to extort above market rates from weak governments and unirganised private sector workers. They effectively screw their fellow workers in the private sector to ensure they get more of the national income pie than their skills and abilities justify. Roll on the IMF/ECB intervention.

Brussels Sprout · 07-08-2010 07:56PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I worked in the financial services industry for two banks and an insurance company and never earned more then 25k (after 7 years of hard work). I have a management degree, a stockbroking diploma and am a qualified financial advisor . .

Wow that's amazing. May I ask what type of work you were doing?

murphaph · 07-08-2010 08:48PM

A couple of mates of mine worked in insurance, never made more than 25k either. Quite common in the financial sector I would say.

highgiant1985 · 07-08-2010 08:59PM

typo.

highgiant1985 · 07-08-2010 09:01PM

McDougal wrote: »

Eh it's a proven fact that a higher % of workers in the public sector have degrees. What are are you basing your nonsense comment on, the opinions of some deluded hack in the Sunday Independent?

Things are not black or white, just because they have a higher % of workers with degrees should not mean they should be paid more and also does not mean they are more qualified than private sector workers.

How relevant are the degrees to the jobs they though do and do the positions they work as require the degree in the first place. There are alot of things which need to be considered.

Head The Wall · 08-08-2010 08:37AM

Porters earning nearly 30K for shuffling patients is an easier job than McDonalds staff having to remember orders.

WalterMitty · 08-08-2010 02:02PM

Head The Wall wrote: »

Porters earning nearly 30K for shuffling patients is an easier job than McDonalds staff having to remember orders.

Yeah and they think theya re worth it and shouldnt be cut at all! Thats why this country is mad and bound to need ECB/IMF drastic cuts as the unions defend this crap. Youd get 20k or less and no gold plated pension and no job for life in the private sector for job that pays 30k in public sector. Again public sector workers whether they know it or not screw private sector workers to ensure they get a bigger slice of pie relative to their skills and abilities.

danbohan · 08-08-2010 02:09PM

murphaph wrote: »

A couple of mates of mine worked in insurance, never made more than 25k either. Quite common in the financial sector I would say.

lot people are not suited to a sales career no matter what their qualifications are , should not take too long to realise that . if you are earning under 25k in sales in a tough industry your no good at it , get out n stay out .

Head The Wall · 08-08-2010 02:14PM

Who said it was sales related?

McDougal · 08-08-2010 06:37PM

WalterMitty wrote: »

Yeah and they think theya re worth it and shouldnt be cut at all! Thats why this country is mad and bound to need ECB/IMF drastic cuts as the unions defend this crap. Youd get 20k or less and no gold plated pension and no job for life in the private sector for job that pays 30k in public sector. Again public sector workers whether they know it or not screw private sector workers to ensure they get a bigger slice of pie relative to their skills and abilities.

So we should cut wages and condition in the public sector to McDonalds levels? Since when did McDonalds become the benchmark? It's a disgusting establishment

Welease · 08-08-2010 06:54PM

McDougal wrote: »

So we should cut wages and condition in the public sector to McDonalds levels? Since when did McDonalds become the benchmark? It's a disgusting establishment

I thought you were fighting for the rights of the "ordinary" worker..
People who work in fast food outlets not good enough for you?

McDougal · 08-08-2010 07:13PM

Welease wrote: »

I thought you were fighting for the rights of the "ordinary" worker..
People who work in fast food outlets not good enough for you?

How would it help fast food workers by sacking a bunch of hospital porters. McDonalds workers should be paid more and have pensions.

Welease · 08-08-2010 07:30PM

McDougal wrote: »

How would it help fast food workers by sacking a bunch of hospital porters. McDonalds workers should be paid more and have pensions.

Who said anything about sacking?

And how much more should they be paid.. and what type of pensions?

irishh_bob · 08-08-2010 08:37PM

McDougal wrote: »

How would it help fast food workers by sacking a bunch of hospital porters. McDonalds workers should be paid more and have pensions.

sacking public sector workers ( including porters ) reduces the tax burden on private sector workers ,

as for mc donalds workers and pay and pensions , mom and apple pie stuff

murphaph · 08-08-2010 08:54PM

McDougal wrote: »

How would it help fast food workers by sacking a bunch of hospital porters. McDonalds workers should be paid more and have pensions.

How much more are you prepared to pay for your Big Mac meal? It would have to cost about €10 to allow McDonalds staff on €20k to be paid the same as hospital porters (arguably a much easier job) on €30k. As working in McDonalds is clearly more demanding than pushing trollies around at a leisurely pace, the McDonalds staff surely "deserve" at least €35k no? Pushing the cost of your Big Mac meal to more like €12. You think €12 is good value for a Big Mac meal when it's €5.59 in Germany?

WalterMitty · 08-08-2010 10:43PM

murphaph wrote: »

How much more are you prepared to pay for your Big Mac meal? It would have to cost about €10 to allow McDonalds staff on €20k to be paid the same as hospital porters (arguably a much easier job) on €30k. As working in McDonalds is clearly more demanding than pushing trollies around at a leisurely pace, the McDonalds staff surely "deserve" at least €35k no? Pushing the cost of your Big Mac meal to more like €12. You think €12 is good value for a Big Mac meal when it's €5.59 in Germany?

But the comrades will put a limit on the amount that can be charged for a big mac meal and problem solved. McDonaldski will feed the prolateriat at low cost to society. What McDougall wants is fantasy economics in order to support the extortinately high public sector pay,pensions and conditions we have in this country. You arent a priest by any chance McDougall?

Welease · 08-08-2010 10:47PM

WalterMitty wrote: »

But the comrades will put a limit on the amount that can be charged for a big mac meal and problem solved. McDonaldski will feed the prolateriat at low cost to society. What McDougall wants is fantasy economics in order to support the extortinately high public sector pay,pensions and conditions we have in this country. You arent a priest by any chance McDougall?

It would have to be McDonaldski (the state run burger bar), because the free world franchise run by those who need to break even would have fked off elsewhere

And what escapes McDougal .. if it was that easy we could all set one up and become millionaires..... funny how it doesn't work out that way..

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