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What would you do to improve the LOI?

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  • #92
    eightyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    How is there no sense in that?

    It costs money to film and broadcast a game, who's going to pay for it if it won't produce viewers?


  • #93
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    eightyfish wrote: »
    It costs money to film and broadcast a game, who's going to pay for it if it won't produce viewers?

    I already said that in the post. With the NI matches deal Sky covered the matches at their own cost. A similar clause in a deal with the FAI for the ROI would mean there's no cost to the league or the clubs.


  • #94
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    This. There are too many counties with no connection to the league. Tipperary is a massive county with no representation in Premier, First or even "A" division. Thats 150,000 people with no local LOI club and very few people are going follow teams in Cork, Galway or Waterford just for the sake of it unless they have some connection through family or college.
    Big counties like Kerry, Clare, Kilkenny and Tipp need to be represented in the league

    This is the LOI's biggest problem, there is a huge portion of the population cut off immediately because of it. The FAI need to look at this and see what can be done to get one of the junior clubs from unrepresented counties to step up. They seems to enjoy the comfort zone


  • #95
    Bob the Seducer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Bob the Seducer


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    There was no demand for the Irish league matches either but the IFA got a deal for Sky to cover some of those matches because at the end of the day it's free publicity and coverage for their league.

    Showing matches on Sky as well as RTE, TG4 and Setanta just adds more coverage and publicity. Given a lot of people in this country have Sky sports anyway i don't see any reason why not.

    If the FAI made the coverage of 3 or 4 games a season by sky on sky sports 1 as a clause for the right to screen the internationals deal than thats basically extra publicity and coverage for the league at no cost to the clubs or the league itself.

    How is there no sense in that?

    The League of Ireland RTE deal:
    RTÉ Television are set to increase the coverage of live eircom League of Ireland matches as agreed in the new contract extension. Beginning in 2010, the number of live matches shown by RTÉ will grow each season culminating with 33 live matches (one-per-week) in the final year of the term - the 2013 season.

    http://tvsales.rte.ie/news/

    The IFA Sky Sports deal:
    Five live fixtures each season from the Carnegie Premier League for five years, starting this August and running until the end of 2011-2012.

    And the only reason that they even get those 5 games on Sky is because they signed over
    FULL INTERNATIONALS: All home matches for four years from May 2008, including qualifiers for the 2010 World Cup Finals and 2012 European Championship Finals, plus friendly matches – exclusively live on Sky Sports.
    UNDER-21 INTERNATIONALS: At least two U-21 matches each season for four years, from the start of 2008-09 until the close of 2011-12 – exclusively live on Sky Sports.

    http://www.irishfa.com/news/item/3002/northern-ireland-football-lines-up-on-sky-sports/

    You do remember the last time the FAI sold the exclusive international rights to Sky don't you? The Minister for Communications added them to the list of protected free to air sporting events so the biggest number of people possible could watch their national team play without paying a foreign broadcaster.


  • #96
    SantryRed
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    jesus_thats_gre wrote: »
    If it hasn't been suggested yet, I would change the name to LOL for a start!

    Maybe we should change your name to jesus_i'm_not_funny


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  • #97
    pablomakaveli
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    Bob the Seducer wrote: »
    The League of Ireland RTE deal:



    http://tvsales.rte.ie/news/

    The IFA Sky Sports deal:



    And the only reason that they even get those 5 games on Sky is because they signed over



    http://www.irishfa.com/news/item/3002/northern-ireland-football-lines-up-on-sky-sports/

    You do remember the last time the FAI sold the exclusive international rights to Sky don't you? The Minister for Communications added them to the list of protected free to air sporting events so the biggest number of people possible could watch their national team play without paying a foreign broadcaster.

    The FAI still don't need to give Sky exclusive rights. Given they still sell rights of broadcast to Sky there's no reason why they can't negotiate some sort of clause to broadcast LOI games.

    It would be worth a try because there's nothing to lose if Sky don't want the clause and a deal is negotiated anyway and something to gain if they do agree to it.


  • #98
    enda1
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    Join it with the league up North.


  • #99
    Dempsey
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    More money in exclusive rights. Why would sky pay money for rights when local terrestrial tv can show it (if the demand is ever high enough) and capture more of the target audience than sky can?

    Protected Free to Air Events = Loss of Revenue for that Sport


  • #100
    eightyfish
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    A similar clause in a deal with the FAI for the ROI would mean there's no cost to the league or the clubs.

    I see what you mean. You'd need to give exclusivity to Sky for internationals in order to get the local games shown for free.

    Personally, I'd rather the games didn't go onto subscription TV as I won't be able to afford it or afford to go to the pub every time a match is on.


  • #101
    Roaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Roaster


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    Every club does everything you posted and more.


    http://stpatsfc.com/community_news.php

    Thats goes back to 2004 and only cos its a website issue, we have all been doing it for years.

    Kids free etc with a paying adult is the norm, it doesnt work. We have max 4000 fans one day i will see them all again at a home game.

    A lot of clubs do this but unfortunately not many people outside of the clubs actually know about it. Marketing is the main problem. We've got to make the product sexy/attractive. You look around Dublin City Centre around the GAA Championship and there's posters everywhere. Outside of LOI fans I'd say 95% of the population wouldn't even have a clue there's a game on.

    Look at Sky or even RTE's coverage of football across the pond. Ads all the time letting us know forthcoming fixtures, etc. Its imperative that the Irish media assist in trying push the product too. To many reports I read about games is just lazy journalism and you'd wonder were they even at the game. Let's put at least a minimum of one LOI game a week on TV and let's talk the product up. MNS get rid of the good, bad & ugly....even though it can be funny at times. Just gives us GOOD, GOOD and more GOOD. We're trying to attract people here.

    Finally, I know most of the responsibility lies with the clubs to ensure that the club is run in a sustainable way but I don't think they get enough assistance from the FAI with regards to promotion of the league.

    A quote from the FAI website:

    The Football Association of Ireland is the governing body of football in Ireland. Our game is being developed and supported by the FAI and its associates; clubs, affiliates and leagues, in every townland, city street and community across Ireland, in line with our mission to foster, develop and promote football....

    I'm sorry but if promoting our league is organising a friendly against vastly
    superior players and making our players the laughing stock of the BARSTOOLING community then Mr. Delaney you have succeeded.


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  • #102
    Pure_Cork
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    Roaster wrote: »
    MNS get rid of the good, bad & ugly....even though it can be funny at times. Just gives us GOOD, GOOD and more GOOD. We're trying to attract people here.

    Good idea.


  • #103
    Sunset V
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    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    Good idea.

    I wouldn't agree at all here. It's a lighthearted feature that shows all aspects of the league, if we Good, Good and Good, it's propaganda of sorts. Show everything, the good, the bad and the ugly of the league. That's just my opinion.


  • #104
    Roaster
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    Sunset V wrote: »
    I wouldn't agree at all here. It's a lighthearted feature that shows all aspects of the league, if we Good, Good and Good, it's propaganda of sorts. Show everything, the good, the bad and the ugly of the league. That's just my opinion.

    We need that propaganda!!!!


  • #105
    Pure_Cork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Pure_Cork


    Sunset V wrote: »
    I wouldn't agree at all here. It's a lighthearted feature that shows all aspects of the league, if we Good, Good and Good, it's propaganda of sorts. Show everything, the good, the bad and the ugly of the league. That's just my opinion.

    It only shows one bit of good skill, on soccer am they show loads of clips of good skill. I know they show the bad and the ugly on soccer am too but there's less time for the segment on MNS. I see your point though.


  • #106
    eightyfish
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    Roaster wrote: »
    We need that propaganda!!!!

    Well they have a different goal ready to show for the "ugly" bit for the next 7 weeks now!


  • #107
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,570 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    I think a solid, well defined football pyramid reaching right down to the most local of local teams would be a great help.
    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    There needs to be more than 10 teams in each division. Playing everyone 4 times minimum is too much.
    Gavin shels wrote: »
    Only way forward is the 16 team division, attendences in the long run will increase as you have the likes of Shams, Bohs, Dundalk, etc... bringing bring away support. Bigger attendences equals more money for the clubs to work with on and off the field.

    I don't know about this. The Swiss seem happy enough with 10 teams in their top division and have representation throughout the last qualifying rounds of European competitions.


  • #108
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    do any clubs release their finances at the end of each year/season?

    if so, i would like to see how much these clubs cost to run every year and what their income streams are.


  • #109
    SantryRed
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=67317017#post67317017


  • #110
    fh041205
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    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    do any clubs release their finances at the end of each year/season?

    if so, i would like to see how much these clubs cost to run every year and what their income streams are.


    I wouldn't say you've much hope of seeing accounts of the clubs, no more than any other business in the country would let you see theirs. Apart from the odd few figures reported in the papers and info from the 'in-the-know' fans, theres probly not much else.

    Speaking as a Drogs fan, the budget seems to change every week anyway so its not likely to be an easy thing to document.


  • #111
    DerekDGoldfish
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    fh041205 wrote: »
    I wouldn't say you've much hope of seeing accounts of the clubs, no more than any other business in the country would let you see theirs. Apart from the odd few figures reported in the papers and info from the 'in-the-know' fans, theres probly not much else.

    Speaking as a Drogs fan, the budget seems to change every week anyway so its not likely to be an easy thing to document.

    well all limited companies are required by law to submit annual accounts to the CRO, however many clubs may qualify as small companies and so only have to submit abridged accounts which show less information that the full financial statements. You will however be able to view their balance sheet and see how solvent they are, these accounts can be purchased from the CRO for a few euro each


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  • #112
    CiaranC
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    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    do any clubs release their finances at the end of each year/season?

    if so, i would like to see how much these clubs cost to run every year and what their income streams are.
    Bohs are the obvious example of a club that do this, due to the way they are set up. Heres their famous 2008 accounts.

    http://www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php?8515-How-to-run-a-club-successfully&highlight=how+to+run+a+club+successfully

    Im sure you could dig out 2009 from the CRO handy enough. Hopefully they are less mental than these ones


  • #113
    Gavin "shels"
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    enda1 wrote: »
    Join it with the league up North.

    Would be nothing but hassle, look at any time Linfield or Glentoran play down here.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    do any clubs release their finances at the end of each year/season?

    if so, i would like to see how much these clubs cost to run every year and what their income streams are.

    Would probably show how much of a farce some clubs are run like, Bohs accounts above highlight this, along with Fingals which would be a combo of sponsorship off Keelings and "donations" off NAMA.


  • #114
    Helix
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    until everyone in the country is within an hour or so of a loi club, i dont think theres much more that can realistically be done tbh

    as it stands, if youre not in or near dublin, youre unlikely to be within "ah sure we'll head along to the match" distance... and thats what you need to get people into the irish game

    could follow the GAA *spit* model, and make it an inter county thing (16 team premiership and 10 team division 1) which would give everyone a club to follow, but where would it leave all the established dublin based clubs and two club counties like louth? thats the real issue with that


  • #115
    DerekDGoldfish
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    Somewhere between a quarter to a third of of country live in dublin, it would be ridiculas for it to only have one team.

    The a signifiagnt number of counties are not big enough in terms of football players/fans to suport a team even if you were to convert mnay of those who follow foriegn teams.

    IMO an inter-county league would be a complete failure.


  • #116
    Helix
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    cant be much more of a failure than the current format though

    youre right though, a straight up county for county format wouldnt be viable


  • #117
    Gavin "shels"
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    Helix wrote: »
    until everyone in the country is within an hour or so of a loi club, i dont think theres much more that can realistically be done tbh

    But it doesn't work, look at Kildare County FC and Kilkenny City FC, both had home attendences of about 30. I remember going down to Buckley Park (Kilkennys ground) and asking some kids playing football in the town where Buckley Park was, they'd never heard of Buckey Park.:eek:


  • #118
    CiaranC
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    Helix wrote: »
    cant be much more of a failure than the current format though

    youre right though, a straight up county for county format wouldnt be viable
    Then you are into the murky world of franchise football, no?

    /shudder


  • #119
    UpTheSlashers
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    Ya i despise the idea of "manufactured" clubs and they obviously dont work. I like the idea of a nationwide pyramid of leagues so that all clubs have a connection with the top level.
    Another problem I have with domestic football here is that there isnt really any transparency. I (and most people I know) know more about how the system over in England works than I do about the Irish system :confused:


  • #120
    dreamers75
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Ya i despise the idea of "manufactured" clubs and they obviously dont work. I like the idea of a nationwide pyramid of leagues so that all clubs have a connection with the top level.
    Another problem I have with domestic football here is that there isnt really any transparency. I (and most people I know) know more about how the system over in England works than I do about the Irish system :confused:

    Media would do that tbh

    LOI doesnt sell simple as that, now with The Model Club in a new shiny stadium its distorting things. Any media outlet that happily reports on how awesome they are will always run the risk of of the other side of them. Hoop loving mate pointed out to me the Herald had bascially **** all about vs Juve but quite quick to highlight the fact a rovers fan was seen dropping a mars bar wrapper in a public place.

    We got good press when we hit the playoff round of EuropA but only due to certain media vendors being uhh biased (same for rovers with the herald but other kind of bias).

    Media reports on what sells, and a picture of Wayne Rooney sells more than a top of the league dublin derby.


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  • #121
    TheBigLebowski
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    Helix wrote: »
    until everyone in the country is within an hour or so of a loi club, i dont think theres much more that can realistically be done tbh

    What area is not within an hour of a LOI club? There are very few areas I'd say. Maybe western parts of Mayo? Other than that, I can't think of anywhere else.


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