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How an Irish soldier saved Hitler's life

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  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Renn wrote: »
    Well if Hitler didn't do 'it', someone else would have. Wouldn't have made a difference.

    So true, the situation in Germany in the 1920 was so tense that anyone could have carried the torch, it just happened to be Hitler.

    The train of events in the 1930's would have been similar, just the outcome of WWII could have been so different with a different dictator at the helm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    NoHornJan wrote: »
    Hitler was a gas man, give him his jews...

    Fyp...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Apart from the saving Hitler story, I would be far more interested in finding out why 'a man dressed as a priest' stole the memoirs and how they turned up 40 years later and why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Hitler had some connections to Ireland, his sister in law was Bridget Dowling from Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    Apart from the saving Hitler story, I would be far more interested in finding out why 'a man dressed as a priest' stole the memoirs and how they turned up 40 years later and why?

    Because the family have fallen on hard times and are shopping them to make a bit of dough?


    .....

    Yeah, I may get hopped on from a height for this, but that 'Hitler' story seems a bit far-fetched.

    Edit:
    Just had a check on the timelines, there's a hole in the story

    At the time, the political group was called the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, (DAP, German workers party). Hitler joined DAP on 12 September 1919. The party added "National Socialist" to its official name in February 1920. However, The Bavarian Soviet Republic was over by May 1919.

    Sorry to spoil the fun - and to reveal that Brian Whelan and Michael McHale didn't do the basic 5-minute timeline check that would show this story to be sketchy at best.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 123xxa


    What Hitler spoke about to the returning soldiers also hit home: the betrayal of the soldiers by politicians; the stab-in-the-back (of the soldiers) by the Jews; the failure of democratic politics and the disaster communism would be for Germany. His thoughts were widely held - but Hitler's audience in 1918 to 1919 was very small and his impact was very little.

    Seems Hitler was giving speeches to homecoming troops in this period (1918-19). Story says he was recruiting for his new party - not that the party was fully launched. Geeky, perhaps you're not geeky enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    123xxa wrote: »
    Seems Hitler was giving speeches to homecoming troops in this period (1918-19). Story says he was recruiting for his new party - not that the party was fully launched. Geeky, perhaps you're not geeky enough.

    Hello mr 1-post! Source for that quote? I'm also not sure about your deduction from it in any case.

    Keogh's memoirs write, and I'm quoting: "They had come to the barracks as political agents for the new National Socialist German Workers' Party." The DAP was fully launched at that stage, though it was only a modest group of about 60 people.

    Edit: just googled a segment of that sentence out of curiousity, and it's an amateur site without any citations. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/adolf_hitler.htm. More to the point, the sentence clearly a reference to his time with the Education Department of the army. If you're going sign up to try and be pedantic, at least source correctly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 123xxa


    Apart from the saving Hitler story, I would be far more interested in finding out why 'a man dressed as a priest' stole the memoirs and how they turned up 40 years later and why?

    http://www.choicepublishing.ie/index_files/withcasementsirishbrigade.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    If Hitler had died before he came to power I still think World War 2 would have started and that Germany might still have been the one to start it. Germany had never forgiven the Allied nations for their treatment at the Versallies Treaty and had always planned on having another war, At least that's what I think I read(have to dig out the old history book). But my point is, Hitler encompassed the whole plan for war not only for his own aims, but the also because the feeling in Germany was mutual and that alot of Germans wanted another war. So Germany proberly would have went to war eventually. But whether Germany would have grown economically enough without Hitler, and have the power to start a war, before Russia did, as some theroies have said. No one really knows, because that's the thing about What If questions, you won't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭DingChavez


    I always lol when people think the causes of WW2 were because Hitler was a madman who wanted to rule the world and declared war on everyone.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    DingChavez wrote: »
    I always lol when people think the causes of WW2 were because Hitler was a madman who wanted to rule the world and declared war on everyone.

    WW3 will be caused by some sane man declaring war on people who "LOL".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Wolflikeme


    Being Irish, he probably subscribed to similar views as Hitler.












    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Paddy Samurai


    Maybe the War would have still happened,who can say.Hitler was an outstanding orator according to the History writers,and directly responsable for alot of support the Nazis got.Maybe other Nazi leaders would'nt have got the same support.

    Under a different leader i wonder would the impact on the Jews,Gypsies etc, have been the same .

    Michael should have let the lads finish the job.I wonder if he ever regretted it?.

    LOL ...you can imagine the slagging he got ,when he told the lads down the local about the day he saved Der Furher.
    Maybe they thought he meant charlie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Some people blame Queen Victoria after she sent her grandson to Germany to become a duke. He helped Hitler with his rise to power.

    Hindsight would be a great thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    Maybe the War would have still happened,who can say.Hitler was an outstanding orator according to the History writers,and directly responsable for alot of support the Nazis got.Maybe other Nazi leaders would'nt have got the same support.

    Goebbels was better imo.
    Under a different leader i wonder would the impact on the Jews,Gypsies etc, have been the same .

    Definitely. Do you think Hitler was the first guy in Germany to complain about the Jewish people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    I blame Jesus. He started all this with his Jew thing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    and God for creating the world


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Hitler: Himmler for the last time... I HATE JUICE. Get rid of all the damn juice!

    Himmler: Jahwol mein fuhrer.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    No harm too him but he didn't deserve to be saved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    What?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Conor108




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