Pentagon 'will force WikiLeaks to comply' threat to staff.

Biggins · 06-08-2010 10:14AM #1

The backroom boys of the Pentagon are emerging as a threat to WikiLeaks and staff by they being openly being threatened in the media.

The Pentagon warned WikiLeaks last night that if website staff did not voluntarily hand over thousands of unpublished classified documents US officials would force them to comply.

“If doing the right thing is not good enough for them, then we will figure out what other alternatives we have to compel them to do the right thing,“ he said. “Let me leave it at that.”

Full story: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg
(Supplied as a jpeg due to site being pay per view)

The pentagon is looking at ways to take out the site by quiet alternative means it appears!

wes · 06-08-2010 10:23AM

Well, you never know with the US, they bombed Al Jazeera before and held one of there camera men captive for years without trial and tortured him.

Hopefully, the US doesn't respond to Wikileaks in the same manner, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

Ian Beale · 06-08-2010 10:26AM

They know dam well if they try and take the site down or go after any of the websites staff then all the files will be released immediatly. If they have to resort to public threats they must be very worried what's in those files.

Gone Drinking · 06-08-2010 10:29AM

This just in..

*puts finger on ear piece*

WHO GIVES A SIHT!

Biggins · 06-08-2010 10:31AM

I'd start making back-up copies of everything and distributing them to alternative server locations as well as harddrive non-attached storage back-ups.

I have no doubt backroom people have come up with various methods (be it trogen, virus, etc) to attack their servers and destroy any data.

Why does it matter?

Because only light-headed fools will fail to see that if they can do this to one, they can do it to all!
If at first you don't succeed by the law, fcuk it, take them out by alternative means - the Pentagon way!

jordan.. · 06-08-2010 10:32AM

Ian Beale wrote: »

They know dam well if they try and take the site down or go after any of the websites staff then all the files will be released immediatly. If they have to resort to public threats they must be very worried what's in those files.

Worried that we may find out who the real global terrorists are!

danniemcq · 06-08-2010 10:42AM

Despite the US's history given above with Al Jazerra and the camera man i don't think they'd get away with it with the publicity that the wikileaks story has gotten in the last few weeks.

these guys aren't "A-rabs" or foreign enemies i think there would be a far bigger outcry.

Cookie_Monster · 06-08-2010 10:44AM

if Wikileaks has all these why haven't they been released already then?

Cheap Thrills! · 06-08-2010 10:45AM

Twats.

Biggins · 06-08-2010 10:45AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Some people are facing very, very long jail sentences if they don't comply.
Rightfully so

You can't just publish classified and secret information.

If someone has an issue with the Pentagon or wants information made public there are oversight committees for that, take your grievance through the channels

(Post now removed for some reason!)

Sorry but we are not the 51st state of America yet. "Oversight committees" ???
We do not according to our constitution, answer to them yet.

So the American Pentagon can go shove its clear threats up its own ass.
Maybe the American bullies from the Pentagon could stick to proper channels instead of issuing threats!
...Buts thats the American way isn't it?
If they don't buy/bully their way to get that they want - invade or destroy!

Fcuk off Pentagon!

Biggins · 06-08-2010 10:47AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

if Wikileaks has all these why haven't they been released already then?

They are further deeper reviewing the data they have, to remove any people that might become targets.
They stated that its taking them at least one day to review every 1000 documents.
With another 15,000+ documents that they have, the Pentagon KNOWS the days are counting down to possible release and so are issuing threats now!

Sykk · 06-08-2010 10:49AM

Though they have found some serious ****, publishing a lot of it was pretty bad form methinks. But then you have the one where the American helicopter killed a load of civilians..

mikemac · 06-08-2010 10:51AM

You are commenting on an American story

51st state?
Where did I mention Ireland and the Irish constitution?
Ireland was never mentioned in your OP so why drag Ireland into this now.

The story was about the Pentagon

I did remove the post because I've never read the Wikileaks website so I decided to have a read of it before I commented here.
I'm happy with my post though

Biggins · 06-08-2010 10:53AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

You are commenting on an American story
51st state?
Where did I mention Ireland and the Irish constitution?
Ireland was never mentioned in your OP so why drag Ireland into this now.

The story was about the Pentagon

So why are you rabbiting on about on that "If someone has an issue with the Pentagon or wants information made public there are oversight committees..."

Huh? Huh???

American story my arse.
Where exactly do you think the data servers are actually based - AS WELL AS the people that staff them!
OTHER foreign countries!

Let me spell it out.
America via the Pentagon is once again stating to others beyond their legislative borders - and the world that they/we better do what America says or they will come and get us by alternative means!

Itsdacraic · 06-08-2010 10:53AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

This just in..

*puts finger on ear piece*

WHO GIVES A SIHT!

Educated people with an interest in current affairs.

mikemac · 06-08-2010 10:57AM

If you have access to classified documents and don't agree with them I hardly think the solution is to publish them on the internet.
And you can face jail sentences for this depending on where you are or if you can extradited.

Yes, the Pentagon has oversight committees. Most government departments do
If you have an issue with the policies are you going to get an investigation started to change things or lash up classified information for all to see?

I made a post, I explained it, then I went to Wikileaks to read some more and this means I'm rabbitting on? :rolleyes:

Biggins · 06-08-2010 11:04AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

If you have access to classified documents and don't agree with them I hardly think the solution is to publish them on the internet.

...In your opinion.

feelingstressed wrote: »

...And you can face jail sentences for this depending on where you are or if you can extradited.

...If we were under their legal system and/or jurisdiction!

feelingstressed wrote: »

...Yes, the Pentagon has oversight committees....

Yes, in AMERICA.
The rest of the world is NOT America so we don't answer to them or have you not kopped that bit yet?

feelingstressed wrote: »

..I made a post, I explained it, then I went to Wikileaks to read some more and this means I'm rabbitting on? :rolleyes:

You made a post - you deleted it! :rolleyes: - and your still rabbiting rubbish ...in my opinion of course!

gizmo · 06-08-2010 11:07AM

Yea, because nothing bad can come from having classified army intelligence material in the hands of an unaccountable body such as Wikileaks.

Oh no, wait.

the_syco · 06-08-2010 11:08AM

Biggins wrote: »

Full story: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

LoL @ the comment comparing it to TPB. TPB doesn't host anything illegal, it just points to it. WikiLeaks has classified content, taken illegally from a government server. The US don't lilke leaving people who have helped them behind. If the documents were released, I'd say a few informants may be mentioned.

losthorizon · 06-08-2010 11:08AM

Funny, I watch a great movie last night called Daniel Ellsberg - The Most Dangerous Man in America. The similarities with whats going on now and in the time of the Vietnam war is quite startling.

Mr Ellsberg helped bring down Nixon and end the Vietnam war. Maybe just maybe Wixileaks could help have the same effect. Although peoples attentions span is so much less now.

http://www.ellsberg.net/

Biggins · 06-08-2010 11:10AM

gizmo wrote: »

Yea, because nothing bad can come from having classified army intelligence material in the hands of an unaccountable body such as Wikileaks.

Oh no, wait.

Where as Army Intelligence hasn't killed many, many innocent people over as many years?

"He who has not sinned, cast the first stone?" :rolleyes:

O' wait, let me check the news reports weekly!

mikemac · 06-08-2010 11:10AM

Put the wrong kind of classified information on the internet and you put lives at risk.
Like lists of informants as that link showed.

I've no doubt Army Intelligence makes mistakes, wrong areas bomed and civilians killed.
How does that excuse what may happen if this new information is released and gets people killed?

Wikileaks don't own that information.
I don't know how they got classified information but it needs to be given back to its owner

Biggins · 06-08-2010 11:13AM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Put the wrong kind of classified information on the internet and you put lives at risk.
Like lists of informants as that link showed.

Wikileaks don't own that information.
I don't know how they got classified information but it needs to be given back to its owner

So you or the Pentagon now gets to say what's the right or wrong information?
The people can't judge for themselves or be allowed to?

...And if we try to, they issue threats!
Not legal by the law edicts - threats!

gizmo · 06-08-2010 11:14AM

Biggins wrote: »

Where as Army Intelligence hasn't killed many, many innocent people over as many years?

"He who has not sinned, cast the first stone?" :rolleyes:

O' wait, let me check the news reports weekly!

Yes, and two wrongs don't make a right.

Wikileaks shouldn't have that material and because of their last leak they have not only caused the death of one person but also endangered the lives of many others who worked with the Coalition/US forces over there.

pablomakaveli · 06-08-2010 11:17AM

Biggins wrote: »

Where as Army Intelligence hasn't killed many, many innocent people over as many years?

"He who has not sinned, cast the first stone?" :rolleyes:

O' wait, let me check the news reports weekly!

That does'nt justify putting innocent afghans at risk. The guys at wikileaks should be more responsible when releasing the information.

Biggins · 06-08-2010 11:17AM

gizmo wrote: »

Yes, and two wrongs don't make a right.

Wikileaks shouldn't have that material and because of their last leak they have not only caused the death of one person but also endangered the lives of many others who worked with the Coalition/US forces over there.

They SHOULD have reviewed the material better and removed names - HOWEVER what is being overlooked and I suspect the American military is glad this is so, is the actions of their armies on the ground killing innocent civilians.

Many, many more, over as many years, that are exposed to have been killed, buried in those reports!

Biggins · 06-08-2010 11:18AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

...The guys at wikileaks should be more responsible when releasing the information.

No argument there. See above post.

gizmo · 06-08-2010 11:21AM

Biggins wrote: »

They SHOULD have reviewed the material better and removed names - HOWEVER what is being overlooked and I suspect the American military is glad this is so, is the actions of their armies on the ground killing innocent civilians.

Many, many more, over as many years, that are exposed to have been killed, buried in those reports!

That's not the point you're trying to make with this thread though. You're specifically having a go at the US Military for "threatening" Wikileaks over their possession of classified documents. In this context, I say good. Wikileaks should not have this information and they have proved with their lastest leak that, legalities aside, they are not responsible enough to possess it.

eamo12 · 06-08-2010 11:22AM

Clearly, this is the work of a mole who is being treasonous to the US forces by giving this confidential information to wikileaks who will use it as pro-taliban/anti-american propaganda. They are working the enemy - all is fair in love and war, baby.

Biggins · 06-08-2010 11:26AM

gizmo wrote: »

That's not the point you're trying to make with this thread though.

True, others are trying to sidetrack it to their own issue on which they can't be bothered to start their own thread!

gizmo wrote: »

...You're specifically having a go at the US Military for "threatening" Wikileaks over their possession of classified documents...

Correct. I find it objectionable that a foreign country issues threats to others if they don't get their way!
That's still called bullying. State sanctioned bullying.

gizmo wrote: »

...Wikileaks should not have this information and they have proved with their lastest leak that, legalities aside, they are not responsible enough to possess it.

They have proved that they should have reviewed the material better - but then we all learn from cock-ups.
Well most of us do, armies the world over are still killing many more innocent civilians - and guess what - trying to hide those crimes in their documents. When will we see those held accountable?

If America is so incensed about lost lives - where is the many trails of those under their actual jurisdiction that have killed many, many innocent civilians?
...But no! Lets bury the truth and crimes in nicely re-worded buried documents instead!

karma_ · 06-08-2010 11:28AM

WikiLeaks is a fantastic organisation, and one that is badly needed in this day and age where real news is so hard to come by.

Check out the TED talk given by Julian Assange, well worth 20 minutes of anyones time.

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZByoqBTE4

Pentagon 'will force WikiLeaks to comply' threat to staff.

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