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'Inception' Mega Thread *SPOILERS FROM POST 292 ONWARDS*

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  • #752
    Glico Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Just back from seeing it I think I might need a second viewing
    and the end is bugging me is it a dream or real
    top class film well acted especially Hardy for me

    I'm definitely going to watch for a second time. Will leave it til the end of the week as I only saw it Saturday but was interrupted by people talking during it which bugged the crap out of me

    Excellent cast imo... and all very good actors, especially JGL. Pity we didn't get much more of his back story about how he and Cobb came to work with each other.

    also in regards the end
    I've heard from someone (so don't hold me on it), that at the end of the credits you hear a noise that sounds like the top falls...

    if true thats the second time I've been suckered after
    I walked out during the credits of Iron Man 2 and missed the hammer of Thor scene


  • #753
    nosco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭nosco


    aaronh007 wrote: »

    also in regards the end
    I've heard from someone (so don't hold me on it), that at the end of the credits you hear a noise that sounds like the top falls...

    No need for spoilers. Not true.


  • #754
    Glico Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    nosco wrote: »
    No need for spoilers. Not true.

    That lying s.o.b


  • #755
    Conor108
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  • #756
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Saw this again tonight and it still kept me entertained, didn't feel bored at all and actually had a greater understanding of the whole scheme of things.

    While the film is pretty much open to either side of the spectrum of whether being a dream or not, my idea is that it finishes with Cobb back in reality. I focused on the kids and their clothing as it bugged me aas to whether I picked up any differences with them the 1st time. At the end they are wearing slighty different clothing, but really all that makes up is that they differed from Cobb's projections. That was more of a thing I needed to stop bugging me :pac:

    Another main thing I noticed was Cobb's wedding ring. In the reality sequences he never wore a ring but in all levels of the dreams he did on his left hand. There's actually plenty of scenes that show his ring whereas in the reality scenes there's next to no attention paid to it, but you will notice there isn't a ring on him.

    Funnily enough, at the last scenes where he's at the airport and his home his hand is cleverly kept out of shot or hidden behind an object. Only that I notcied he wasn't wearing the ring at the airport for a split second (just as he hands over the passport) I still would have been iffy about the ending.

    Overall, I still enjoyed the film as the 2nd viewing gave me more room to take in everything and basically quash or strengthen any of the hundreds of theories I've come across in the past 2 weeks.


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  • #757
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Joseph Gordon Levitt for The Joker? Don don don


  • #758
    Anakin.S
    Closed Accounts Posts: 398 ✭✭Anakin.S


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Joseph Gordon Levitt for The Joker? Don don don

    Only if he does not try a Heath Ledger impersonation


  • #759
    Klingon Hamlet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Klingon Hamlet


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Joseph Gordon Levitt for The Joker? Don don don

    Nolan has said that Joker will not be returning. He took it quite badly when Ledger died.


  • #760
    Sad Professor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,710 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Levitt seems a more likely candidate for the Riddler.


  • #761
    conorhal
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    It is still bringing in the cash in the US it is top of the box office again this week maybe like me others need to view it more than once :p

    Yup, That was the REAL inception! The one perpetrated by Nolan on the audience. That final cinematic cock tease implanted the idea in your mind that the film contains as yet unexplored layers that will require you to view the film at least two more times, thus ensuring his big budget art-house project actually makes a profit! ;)


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  • #762
    PeterIanStaker
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    Saw it sunday night, I was impressed and think it might warrant a second viewing.


  • #763
    [Deleted User]
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    What did Fischer say to Fischer jr. in the inception?


  • #764
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What did Fischer say to Fischer jr. in the inception?

    When Jr finished his word "disappointed", snr says "No, I'm disappointed that you even tried" [to be like him]


  • #765
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,333 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    How did Ariadne's Totem work?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #766
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How did Ariadne's Totem work?

    She was manipulating the weight of the base when we first saw it so I think its a case of when you knock the piece it will roll but only she knows where it would stop.


  • #767
    L'prof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How did Ariadne's Totem work?

    It either only fell on one side or it fell every time she put it down.


  • #768
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,333 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I was wondering did anyone think Ariadne had feelings for Cobb maybe or was it Arthur ;)
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  • #769
    Anakin.S
    Closed Accounts Posts: 398 ✭✭Anakin.S


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How did Ariadne's Totem work?


    She drilled it so only she would know the weight and feel of the totem. Thats why she wouldn't let anybody touch it.


  • #770
    me-skywalker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I was wondering did anyone think Ariadne had feelings for Cobb maybe or was it Arthur ;)

    I thought she was a lemon?


  • #771
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,150 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Joseph Gordon Levitt for The Joker? Don don don
    Anakin.S wrote: »
    Only if he does not try a Heath Ledger impersonation
    I'm watching 10 Things I Hate About You at the moment, which stars Heath Ledger ... and a much younger Joseph Gordon-Levitt, so they have worked together, at least! I also remember Joseph from the sitcom 3rd Rock From The Sun, hamming it up as an alien alongside John Lithgow, so I know he can bring the crazy. :cool:

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt, David Krumholtz, & Heath Ledger:

    hrknzk.jpg

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



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  • #772
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Seen Inception twice, brilliant film IMO, great cast, very original storyline, engaging throughout

    I havent read all of this thread so apologies if it has been raised/answered before, but, why,
    when they were weightless and floating around the hotel on dream level 2
    , were they not
    weightless on dream levels 3 and 4

    Has been bugging me since I saw it


  • #773
    Klingon Hamlet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Klingon Hamlet


    dannym08 wrote: »
    Seen Inception twice, brilliant film IMO, great cast, very original storyline, engaging throughout

    I havent read all of this thread so apologies if it has been raised/answered before, but, why,
    when they were weightless and floating around the hotel on dream level 2
    , were they not
    weightless on dream levels 3 and 4

    Has been bugging me since I saw it

    The effects tend to be reduced the deeper you go into the dreamworld. That's why Saito's bulletwound had less and less of an effect. Admittedly, they should have been at the very least light on their feet, but integrating that into a hectic and complex James Bondesque snow battle would've been weird methinks :)

    The chemist's full bladder made it rain but levels 2 and 3 were unaffected. So maybe mortal wounds transcend, but environmental/minor biological maladies remain within the confines of two dream-levels, or reality and one dream-level, depending on your take on whether there is a reality in the movie at all:)


  • #774
    G_R
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    Klingon Hamlet wrote: »
    The effects tend to be reduced the deeper you go into the dreamworld. That's why Saito's bulletwound had less and less of an effect. Admittedly, they should have been at the very least light on their feet, but integrating that into a hectic and complex James Bondesque snow battle would've been weird methinks :)

    The chemist's full bladder made it rain but levels 2 and 3 were unaffected. So maybe mortal wounds transcend, but environmental/minor biological maladies remain within the confines of two dream-levels, or reality and one dream-level, depending on your take on whether there is a reality in the movie at all:)

    Yeah the end fight scene would have been very weird without gravity alright. I don't know, its too late to try and comprehend it:). I'll try again tomorrow:)


  • #775
    Teg Veece
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Teg Veece


    I'm not sure if this has been posted already but here's a handy link that helps clear up a lot of the Inception FAQs .

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Inception-Explained-Unraveling-The-Dream-Within-The-Dream-19615.html

    I guess a question that I have is what was the deal with all the talk about mazes. None of the world seemed particularly mazey.
    Did it have something to do with slowing down the armed projections in the dream levels? It seems like an idea what wasn't really fully explored or explained in the movie. Maybe I missed something though.



    Also, in the opening few scenes when Cobb and Arthur are in the Japanese castle with Saito, whose dream is that? Arthur gets shot and leaves wakes up in the first level of the dream in that apartment so I guess it can't be his dream. And I was under the impression that Cobb doesn't make the dreams anymore. Saito also wakes up before Cobb.


  • #776
    nix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭nix


    dannym08 wrote: »
    Seen Inception twice, brilliant film IMO, great cast, very original storyline, engaging throughout

    I havent read all of this thread so apologies if it has been raised/answered before, but, why,
    when they were weightless and floating around the hotel on dream level 2
    , were they not
    weightless on dream levels 3 and 4

    Has been bugging me since I saw it


    Think someone covered this earlier in the post as predicted, the plausable reason is
    that they were in Arthurs unconscious for that level of the dream when they were driving around in the car in the previous level. And when they went to the next level they weren't getting thrown around the place as they wre all floating and not moving much
    :)


  • #777
    Nervous Wreck
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    Teg Veece wrote: »
    Also, in the opening few scenes when Cobb and Arthur are in the Japanese castle with Saito, whose dream is that? Arthur gets shot and leaves wakes up in the first level of the dream in that apartment so I guess it can't be his dream. And I was under the impression that Cobb doesn't make the dreams anymore. Saito also wakes up before Cobb.

    They had an architect there with them, the guy who rats them out soon thereafter. It was his dream.


  • #778
    Vokes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    Teg Veece wrote: »
    Also, in the opening few scenes when Cobb and Arthur are in the Japanese castle with Saito, whose dream is that? Arthur gets shot and leaves wakes up in the first level of the dream in that apartment so I guess it can't be his dream. And I was under the impression that Cobb doesn't make the dreams anymore. Saito also wakes up before Cobb.
    Hey, thats a good catch (plot hole?). By your logic above it must be Cobb who is dreaming the castle level, which directly contradicts what we're told about him later.


  • #779
    L'prof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    Nervous Wreck wrote: »
    They had an architect there with them, the guy who rats them out soon thereafter. It was his dream.

    Yep, he even announced it before the mob got to him.


  • #780
    PhiloCypher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Reading the theories again one thing struck me about the perception that he can't be dreaming at the end because the costume designer says the kids are wearing slightly different cloths at the end then they were in the beginning or that the actors chosen were slightly older, could this not be attributed to:

    A) fading memories (he can't remember exactly what they wore so his mind is filling in erroneously)

    B) unaware he is still in a dream and believing he is going home to his kid after a prelonged absence its only natural that he would dream them somewhat older .


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  • #781
    Sad Professor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,710 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Saw this for the second time last night and enjoyed it just as much as the first time. It seemed even more straightforward on a second viewing. For that reason, I wouldn't rate it amongst Nolan's best (TDK, The Prestige), but as summer blockbusters go it is in a league of its own.

    Re: the ending

    The film is very carefully designed in such a way as to not give solid evidence either way for it being a dream or not. The whole point of the film is that Cobb can never be sure about "reality". The totems are not reliable - they can be locked away and forgotten about or manipulated by another dreamer, as we saw with Mal. But one can't live their life constantly doubting reality. In the end, Cobb chooses his reality. It's the one that seems right to him, and he doesn't need to see the top fall to believe it. Whether it really is "reality" or not doesn't matter to him anymore.

    It does matter to us, of course. And as others have said, this is where Nolan performs his own inception on the audience by making them question the whole idea of reality. Which is quite a heady philosophical question for a summer action film to be asking.


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