Ivor Callely (take III)

Again the Green Party here could resolve this immediately if they had the courage. All they would have to do is turn up in Cowen's office and tell him if Callely is still in his job by close of business, they will walk and go to the country. Cowen then can give Callely two very simple options:

(1) Callely resigns immediately and end of issue.

(2) Callely is out of a job when the government falls.

Simple solution to a simple problem. Someone needs to step into this situation and make a decision that Callely is not going to remain in office and execute that decision without fear or favour. If Callely is allowed remain in office after defrauding the state, then the Green's need to walk.

yoshytoshy wrote: »

It seems he's been suspended

I'll supply the rope.....

In my mind I can't say Ivor Callely ,it always sounds like I've all your money:mad:

Theres so much chancery going on ,that no one is going to point the finger at anyone.
Callely has been caught out in public ,so theres no one to blame. Fianna fail have the power to do as they please.

Hopefully people aren't persuaded that fianna fail are clean ,if they do "punish" callely.

The man has lost the support of nearly everybody. As a rule the party will stick up for a member. Clearly, Callely is not part of the cartel, and as a result is being dumped on.

O'Donoghue, O'Dea, Lawlor, Flynn & Ahern were all caught too.....the issue isn't whether they get caught, it's whether dealing with them appropriately affects FF's majority.....if it does, they won't want justice done.

murphaph wrote: »

Showed all the forged documents to my (German) girlfriend last night (she still thinks Ireland is lovely and wants to move there). I asked her would it happen in Germany. She said maybe one or two of them would try it. I asked her what would happen if it was discovered and put in the papers. She said "they'd resign immediately...do you mean he hasn't resigned yet?". She's starting to finally realise what a cesspit of gombeenism and corruption Ireland really is.

Ireland is infested with Ivor Callelys...that's the sad truth of it. The Irish electorate has historically rewarded such chancers and it has to be said, it's mostly a rural voter trait. Liam Lawlor was going to be crucified if he'd stood for election in Dublin Mid West, Ray Burke got the boot and Ivor Callely was rejected by the electorate too. Only Bertie Ahern stands out to me as a Dublin TD who, despite being a con man etc. has been consistently re-elected.

For Ireland to really change, the rural electorate will need to seriously wise up or we will need to urbanise more.

I have to say Murph, I always had this view about rural constituents, the likes of whom I always blamed for returning corrupt failures like Beverly Cooper Flynn and Michael Lowry back into office.

It was only this weekend, in the middle of the scandal that is revolving around Callely, that I found out that even after he had lost his Dail seat in 2007, over 7,000 of his constituents still were prepared to give him a first preference vote, knowing that had had been fired from his junior ministry for having his house painted for free by a company that was engaged with public contract work!!!

You can only stand back at this stage in confusion, awe, wonder and amazement, and wonder what can be done about this endemic problem that we seem to have in Ireland with, "do as I say, not do as I do"...

I'm sickened to my heart to find myself living in Ireland where nothing will ever change for the better, it's like waking up one morning and finding that someone has abducted you during the night, cut open your neighbours septic tank, dropped you into it, and welding it back up again. As for change, don't make me laugh, only a few weeks ago, Enda Kenny was promising any clown in his party who would support him, a front bench position.

So we now have a situation where the first line of defence against government stupidity was a congretation of characters whose only qualification in the immediate sense, was that they supported Enda Kenny.

Say we said that we should in the first instance, look to attributes like DEMONSTRATION of sound experience and work ethic, (as opposed to just "experience" in it's own right), one man who would not make the house never mind the front bench, would be Michael Noonan. A failed leader of the party, who has a record of threatening Hep C victims on their death beds that he would fight them through every court in Europe to defend their claims that they had suffered premature death through blood products that the state KNEW were contaminated.

Ok I know this thread is about Callely, I'm just hostile at the fact that there is no point in protesting about Callely or any of the rest of them, the whole lot of them are one and the same thing.

Sulmac wrote: »

Paul Gogarty has made a formal Garda complaint against Callely:

I hope while he is animated enough to do something about it, that he goes into Gormley's office and says Callely has to resign or else they'll make an appointment to go see the printers...

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

true, it is interesting however that it's a member of the government that is going to the gardaí with a complaint ranter than some random individual, an opposition TD or Senator or an independent senate member like David Norris.

This can hardly sit well with FF reagrdless of what they think of Callely

I may be over optimistic here but it is usually the small, originally obscure things that bring down governments .

I think if you knew the kind of attention seeking persona that is at the helm when it comes to Mr. Gogarty, it would explain why he has taken this matter into his own hands at this time. Paul Gogarty knows two things full well:

(1) He is goosed if there is an election.

(2) He is goosed because people in his constituency know that while all of this was going on, at all times him and his party colleagues had the option of pulling the plug on this whole sorry spectacle that passes for national governance.

So because he knows that there is NOTHING that Fianna Fail or Cowen could actually do that would leave his party in a position where they would pull down the curtains on this embarrassing and destructive episode in our countries history, Paul Gogarty will do the only thing that he can actually do, which is to try and make a few wooly adjustments to the optics of the situation in the meantime so if there is an election, he can make some sort of an argument to his constituency that sure wasn't he the man who went to the Gardai about callely.

Fair play to him for doing it on one hand because someone had to do it, but it won't cut any ice with me if he turns up at my door with an election leaflet in the future.