Airtricity 11 vs Man. Utd - MOD NOTE POST 457

eightyfish · 04-08-2010 09:59AM

stovelid wrote: »

The players have already been shafted over appearance renumeration by Fuhrer Delaney and clubs like Bohs now have to release a load of players four days before a game with us that could have major bearing on the title.

I don't think Bohs *had* to give players up. If we were still in Europe there'd be no Bohs players in Aviva.

It's because the FAI have strong-armed the fixture right into a busy schedule with zero recompense or consideration for the clubs.

Crowbarred it in. I actually don't think the FAI give a s*it about the league. I remember Delaney was on some radio show talking about Ireland's exit from the WC at the hand of Henry, and he said "this is important, it's not like it's Bohs vs Rovers" or something along those lines.

Mitch Connor · 04-08-2010 10:01AM

Who, United fans, do you think will start tonight?

Valencia, Rooney, Park, Vidic and Carrick are back in the squad, but I can't see them all starting the game.

The only players I am sure of starting are O'Shea (captain) and Gibson "because the Irish fans deserve that", really Fergie? What did we do to deserve Gibson?

Anywho, really can't think of who is going to start tonight, in any position,

stovelid · 04-08-2010 10:04AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

so there would have been little/no issue if the game had been played wednesday next week then?

That would be even closer to the title-run in. Best solution would be to have made it financially worthwhile for the LOI clubs to participate. Most clubs have friendlies at this time of the year anyway. Or have an Ireland X1 versus United as none of the senior Ireland squad play here.

The FAI would probably have done this but are so desperate for money after the Vantage debacle that they're going for the biggest draw with the cheapest overhead: get in United and then basically strong-arm unpaid opposition to show up.

Spud83 · 04-08-2010 10:06AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Who, United fans, do you think will start tonight?

Valencia, Rooney, Park, Vidic and Carrick are back in the squad, but I can't see them all starting the game.

The only players I am sure of starting are O'Shea (captain) and Gibson "because the Irish fans deserve that", really Fergie? What did we do to deserve Gibson?

Anywho, really can't think of who is going to start tonight, in any position,

No idea who will be starting the game as I think a lot of them will only be getting 45 minutes. Hopefully he wants to give as much as his first choice 11 (if we have one) a half together and then switch it up in the second half, but I've no idea really.

I think we need a song for Gibson TBH.

Mitch Connor · 04-08-2010 10:06AM

stovelid wrote: »

That would be even closer to the title-run in.

But next week is an international break - so the FAI could have called the players up to a national squad and forced the clubs to release the players anyway.

stovelid · 04-08-2010 10:08AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But next week is an international break - so the FAI could have called the players up to a national squad and forced the clubs to release the players anyway.

What players? The League of Ireland?

Mitch Connor · 04-08-2010 10:10AM

stovelid wrote: »

What players? The League of Ireland?

Yes.

They don't do it for 'real' internationals (don't want to get into that debate here) but fact is they could if they wanted to.

Spud83 · 04-08-2010 10:11AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But next week is an international break - so the FAI could have called the players up to a national squad and forced the clubs to release the players anyway.

Yes however, and this may come across as disrespectful to the LOI, but I'm sure Trap would want a sterner test before the Euro qualifiers start.

IMO there are two camps in the LOI support here.

1) Are pissed at the FAI for organising this game, using LOI players, yet none of the money will go the LOI clubs. These I can sympathize with.

2) Are pissed because there is going to be a stadium full/half full of Irish people cheering on an English side against Irish opposition. These I couldn't care less about. But I'll put extra effort into John O'Sheas song to make them happy.

stovelid · 04-08-2010 10:12AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yes.

They don't do it for 'real' internationals (don't want to get into that debate here) but fact is they could if they wanted to.

Here I am complaining that the FAI are basically disrupting our season by strong-arming our clubs into releasing players and you basically suggest using fictitious international call-ups to achieve this end.

Actually if JD reads Boards, he's probably just had a eureka moment.

homerjay2005 · 04-08-2010 10:13AM

i love the way people are saying that clubs were forced to release players. where is the evidence of that. where can we see a player being forced to play in this game?

any interview ive seen, all the players are well up for this and indeed didnt one bohs players say the club/manager were happy to give the players the chance?

this is a massive night for the players, whatever about the shop window, this is great for the LOI and its players, who are the most important. no players, no clubs, no fans. they are all tied in.

they dont get the chance to play in front of 40k that often, wont get a huge chance to play with some of the top players in the world, to show what they are really capable of. LOI fans get a chace to see their players in the big light for once, and they are not happy.

the mind boggles. i hope its a great game and the LOI players do themselves proud. its a shamge the FAI have charged too much for this and the attendance will suffer as a result, should have been capped at about 50euro and not 75, 85 and 100 for the premium level seats.

Mitch Connor · 04-08-2010 10:16AM

stovelid wrote: »

Here I am complaining that the FAI are basically disrupting our season by strong-arming our clubs into releasing players and you basically suggest using fictitious international call-ups to achieve this end.

Actually if JD reads Boards, he's probably just had a eureka moment.

I know what you are giving out about, I am just pointing out that just 7 days later they could call up all the LOI players they want under the guise of an International Match and the clubs would have to release the players under FIFA rules.

Probably would have been easier done too, but I'm not sure what the release clauses are for B sides (as they could have had Ireland vs Ireland 'B')

eightyfish · 04-08-2010 10:25AM

Not sure if this has been posted before:

Airtricity League XI: Rogers, Shelley, Powell, Peers, Oman, Guy, Keegan (c), Williams, Ndo, Brennan, Madden.

Manchester United (squad)-- Kuszczak, Amos, R Da Silva, F Da Silva, Vidic, Smalling, Evans, O'Shea, Carrick, Fletcher, Gibson, Nani, Park, Valencia, Berbatov, Owen, Rooney, Hernandez.

SantryRed · 04-08-2010 10:27AM

Really don't wanna start off an LOI and foreign teams debate but it's going to be so sad and cringy to see 90% of fans in red jerseys tonight.

stovelid · 04-08-2010 10:27AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i love the way people are saying that clubs were forced to release players. where is the evidence of that. where can we see a player being forced to play in this game?

What's your boss like, as a matter of interest? If he was a vindicative type, and you were a contractor that relied on him every year to approve your work license - a work license that you often had trouble fulfilling the conditions of - and you also relied on him for permission for many other activities vital to the financial health of your business and he asked you to do him a once-off favour to get him out of a deep hole, would you tell him to fuck off?

eightyfish wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted before:

Airtricity League XI: Rogers, Shelley, Powell, Peers, Oman, Guy, Keegan (c), Williams, Ndo, Brennan, Madden.

Manchester United (squad)-- Kuszczak, Amos, R Da Silva, F Da Silva, Vidic, Smalling, Evans, O'Shea, Carrick, Fletcher, Gibson, Nani, Park, Valencia, Berbatov, Owen, Rooney, Hernandez.

Decent side for the LOI. I'd only have added Chambers, Mannus, Twigg and maybe Sives to it myself.

I'm sure most of the United players will get a run-out at some stage. Hopefully see Hernandez for a while.

_Bella_ · 04-08-2010 10:29AM

Is kick off at 7:30?

Mitch Connor · 04-08-2010 10:32AM

_Bella_ wrote: »

Is kick off at 7:30?

7.45 KO. Coverage starts on RTE at 7.30.

Mr. Presentable · 04-08-2010 10:42AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

. LOI fans get a chace to see their players in the big light for once, and they are not happy.

.

A meaningless showcase friendly played for money is not "the big light", if I understand correctly what you mean by that. It does nothing to promote the LOI, and, I could be wrong in this, I suspect the very vast majority of attendees will be Man U fans, very few of whom would muddy their feet at a local match.

I think it is an ill-conceived idea. I think playing a friendly during the full-blood part of the season shows a lack of respect for the players competing therein, whether they are required to be released or not, whether the players themselves can admit it or not.

Cypher_sounds · 04-08-2010 10:44AM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

AAAAAAAGGGGgggghhhhhh...

is there a problem officer

Cypher_sounds · 04-08-2010 10:48AM

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

I think it is an ill-conceived idea. I think playing a friendly during the full-blood part of the season shows a lack of respect for the players competing therein, whether they are required to be released or not, whether the players themselves can admit it or not.

So Shamrock Rvrs shouldn't have played agaisnt Real Madrid last year, Bohs shouldn't have played Villa and beaten them, Sligo shouldn't be playing Everton next week in case the players get injured??
I bet every player there tonight is delighted to play against Man Utd and i know one player who was very dissapointed not to be picked in the squad.

Mr. Presentable · 04-08-2010 10:53AM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

So Shamrock Rvrs shouldn't have played agaisnt Real Madrid last year, Bohs shouldn't have played Villa and beaten them, Sligo shouldn't be playing Everton next week in case the players get injured??
I bet every player there tonight is delighted to play against Man Utd and i know one player who was very dissapointed not to be picked in the squad.

You cannot seriously be comparing pre-season and international week matches with additional shoehorned ones mid-week, mid-season.

stovelid · 04-08-2010 10:57AM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

I bet every player there tonight is delighted to play against Man Utd and i know one player who was very dissapointed not to be picked in the squad.

Why do you keep on trumpeting what the players want as a valid reason?

Does that mean that Wayne Rooney should be the one to decide if he wants to play in an meaningless overseas, friendly (with no financial imperative for untied) four days before a top of the table clash with Liverpool, instead of Alex Ferguson or United?

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

So Shamrock Rvrs shouldn't have played agaisnt Real Madrid last year, Bohs shouldn't have played Villa and beaten them, Sligo shouldn't be playing Everton next week in case the players get injured??

Those games are unfortunately of major financial importance to Irish clubs and cannot be avoided.

homerjay2005 · 04-08-2010 10:57AM

eightyfish wrote: »

Manchester United (squad)-- Kuszczak, Amos, R Da Silva, F Da Silva, Vidic, Smalling, Evans, O'Shea, Carrick, Fletcher, Gibson, Nani, Park, Valencia, Berbatov, Owen, Rooney, Hernandez.

are you sure thats the United squad? no young players is puzzling, i assume united have a contract to bring their senior team.
pretty strong United side there, for all of those who said this would be a reserve team out.

surprised to see Owen in the squad, i though he was still on a fitness program. and also, disappointed clevery and Kiko are not playing.

missing -

van der sar - rested
scholes - rested
giggs - rested
Macheda - rested
Cleverly - rested
Evra - ??
Browne - ??
Diouf - rested
Welbeck -rested
CRTL Alt - rested

Rio - injured
Anderson - injured
Neville - injured
Obertan - injured
Hargraves - injured

Pinturicchio · 04-08-2010 10:59AM

stovelid wrote: »

Can you fit 30-60k punters in there?

Would they beat Juve or Madrid?

I THINK NOT.

Next.

Real Unión's stadium has the same capacity as Terryland Park and they beat Real Madrid in 2008/09.

Cypher_sounds · 04-08-2010 11:01AM

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

You cannot seriously be comparing pre-season and international week matches with additional shoehorned ones mid-week, mid-season.

Eh last week wasnt a international nor pre-season in which Bohs beat Villa also last year with the Rovers Madrid tie, so im not comparing what you stated above, you just have no answer to your meaningless point i quoted on my last post

Spud83 · 04-08-2010 11:02AM

Its the same squad thats listed on Manutd.com as having traveled, or traveling right now.

stovelid · 04-08-2010 11:03AM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Eh last week wasnt a international nor pre-season in which Bohs beat Villa also last year with the Rovers Madrid tie, so im not comparing what you stated above, you just have no answer to your meaningless point i quoted on my last post

Cash-generating friendlies, organized by the clubs out of financial necessity.

Is that clear now?

Cypher_sounds · 04-08-2010 11:06AM

stovelid wrote: »

Why do you keep on trumpeting what the players want as a valid reason?

Does that mean that Wayne Rooney should be the one to decide if he wants to play in an meaningless overseas, friendly (with no financial imperative for untied) four days before a top of the table clash with Liverpool, instead of Alex Ferguson or United?

Those games are unfortunately of major financial importance to Irish clubs and cannot be avoided.

Well my point is that it is for the good of the league in general rather than not having the matches.
Well United are a small bit different in the money stakes(even though the seem stuck for money lately) who said the players decide?? i didnt but they are glad they are getting to play against united thats my point, i cant see what your point is tbh.

Your last point is exactly why i cant see why people are complaining surely the money from this match where ever it goes, is much needed and appreciated.

Mitch Connor · 04-08-2010 11:07AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

are you sure thats the United squad? no young players is puzzling, i assume united have a contract to bring their senior team.
pretty strong United side there, for all of those who said this would be a reserve team out.

surprised to see Owen in the squad, i though he was still on a fitness program. and also, disappointed clevery and Kiko are not playing.

missing -

van der sar - rested
scholes - rested
giggs - rested
Macheda - rested
Cleverly - rested
Evra - ??
Browne - ??
Diouf - rested
Welbeck -rested
CRTL Alt - rested

Rio - injured
Anderson - injured
Neville - injured
Obertan - injured
Hargraves - injured

thats the squad according to ManUtd.com

Shame that Scholes and Giggs are coming over, very disappointing. Suppose they are being kept fresh for the community shield at the weekend though.

Cypher_sounds · 04-08-2010 11:08AM

stovelid wrote: »

Cash-generating friendlies, organized by the clubs out of financial necessity.

Is that clear now?

Sorry but i know that, when did i say that wasnt the case????
in other words why are you telling me this?

event · 04-08-2010 11:08AM

stovelid wrote: »

What's your boss like, as a matter of interest? If he was a vindicative type, and you were a contractor that relied on him every year to approve your work license - a work license that you often had trouble fulfilling the conditions of - and you also relied on him for permission for many other activities vital to the financial health of your business and he asked you to do him a once-off favour to get him out of a deep hole, would you tell him to fuck off?

you could tell him you were sick though

are you trying to say that if bohs told the FAI paddy madden was injured and couldnt play, that the fai wouldnt give them a license next year?

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