Air traffic controller jobs

the beerhunter · 30-07-2010 08:27PM

bazzachazza wrote: »

Alternate employment is strictly NOT allowed.

tell that to the part-time bookie or regional radio newsreader who came through a recent scp class :eek:

SeaFields · 30-07-2010 08:49PM

banner gal wrote: »

1387 applied in 2007 for 24 places somehow id say it could double this time round

i'd say more likely 13870 this time round!

zig · 30-07-2010 10:08PM

banner gal wrote: »

1387 applied in 2007 for 24 places somehow id say it could double this time round
this info is on the iaa web site faq section
worth a try but will be tough process, fingers crossed

my friend got a job the last time, so reading those figures makes me respect her ALOT!! yea I guess all you can do in these situations is your best, they probably have a certain person in mind for a job like this and Id say it doesnt matter how into planes you are, whether you've got a ppl or cpl or not, or whether you've worked on aircraft or not, itll be your attitude and aptitude that will be the key will be the key. Tbf, id say a good 50% of those applicants would be non serious applicants if you get me, just people with no proper interest throwing the name in.

jenga-jen · 30-07-2010 10:49PM

To anyone concerned about the number of irish applicants:

Don't forget, if this is your dream job and you're not too bothered about relocating then NATS in the UK tend to recruit more often.

And, rumour has it, if you have the aptitude for it they tend to take you on since they don't seem to have such strict restrictions on numbers.

http://atcocareers.co.uk/

It's a 3 stage process: S1 & S2 are aptitude tests and S3 is a technical interview with the training based in Bournemouth and a choice between Area or Aerodrome control [subject to business needs].

Jammyc · 31-07-2010 10:51AM

Realised a while ago, I'm 1 day too young to apply. 1 DAY!

Damnit.....

ch252 · 01-08-2010 12:41PM

I'm pretty sure it's a class 3 medical, it's class 1 in the UK definitely but IIRC I was told it was a class 3

jenga-jen · 01-08-2010 02:26PM

Jammyc wrote: »

Realised a while ago, I'm 1 day too young to apply. 1 DAY!

Damnit.....

I would contact HR directly in relation to this. The age restriction is due to the fact that you have to be 21 in order to hold the licence upon graduation. For the sake of 1 day I'd be amazed if you were disqualified.

That said, due to the sheer volume of candidates they may be ridiculously strict so don't get your hopes up.

But IMO it's definitely worth a try to ask and see if anything can be done.

G'luck!

SkyFest Airshow · 01-08-2010 06:15PM

darragh-k wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's a class 3 medical, it's class 1 in the UK definitely but IIRC I was told it was a class 3

That's correct. Class 1 is just for commercial pilots etc.

donkey balls · 02-08-2010 11:52AM

SkyFest Airshow wrote: »

That's correct. Class 1 is just for commercial pilots etc.

nope you need a class 1 med my mates father is a ATCO instructer in bally casey

globemaster1986 · 02-08-2010 02:06PM

donkey balls wrote: »

nope you need a class 1 med my mates father is a ATCO instructer in bally casey

No, it's a Class 3 medical.

http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?n=208&p=139

http://www.eurocontrol.int/humanfactors/public/standard_page/ATM_Competence_Licensing.html

someday2010 · 02-08-2010 03:41PM

For anyone that wants to listen to nearly live atc go to

http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=international-eu

Theres usually a feed from Dublin and Shannon

Is ATC an extemely stressful job in which people can suffer burnout or is that just a myth?

hubba · 02-08-2010 05:09PM

I've just submitted my application. Holy god. What have I done? (mid life crisis application!). :eek:

bombs away · 03-08-2010 09:45AM

At the moment controllers require a class 3 medical although there was some discussion not to far back about bringing in similar medicals to commercial pilot standard (i.e. Class 1).

the_big_kahuna · 03-08-2010 12:08PM

watch999 wrote: »

My brother is interested in applying for one of these positions but with a mortgage and other commitments etc he is worried whether its do-able for 2 years on approx 18k.

This is similar to myself. I'm undecided whether to apply as a result.

I live in Kildare and have a mortgage. 18k per annum for the 2 years would be very tough if I couldn't work part time at weekends or something. I'd want to be based in Dublin at the end of it, and this is obviously not guaranteed.

what to do, what to do?

Einstein · 03-08-2010 12:45PM

I have no clue what my LC results are...left school about 14 years ago. I know I failed maths though...is there even any point in me applying?

Poloman · 03-08-2010 01:53PM

Einstein wrote: »

I have no clue what my LC results are...left school about 14 years ago. I know I failed maths though...is there even any point in me applying?

No. You have to have passed maths (at ordinary level) and you need two higher C's as far as I know.

EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS
You must have passed at least five subjects including mathematics and with a minimum Grade C in at least two Higher Level papers in a Leaving Certificate or hold a comparable award at Level 5 on the National Framework of Qualifications (NFQ).

Eligibility will be extended to holders of other awards including foreign qualifications that signify at least comparable learning.

someday2010 · 03-08-2010 02:17PM

Anyone know where I could get a sample copy of the written aptitude tests for these jobs?

Does everyone meeting the educational and other entry requirements get to sit the aptitude tests?

Sisu200 · 03-08-2010 02:30PM

someday2010 wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get a sample copy of the written aptitude tests for these jobs? QUOTE]

Computer based tests, I can guarantee there are no sample that can be got, sat this test the last time it came around, my advise to anyone sitting this apptitude test is get a good nights sleep before it, best of luck to you all.

Beeker · 03-08-2010 02:33PM

Sisu200 wrote: »

someday2010 wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get a sample copy of the written aptitude tests for these jobs? QUOTE]

Computer based tests, I can guarantee there are no sample that can be got, sat this test the last time it came around, my advise to anyone sitting this apptitude test is get a good nights sleep before it, best of luck to you all.

Thats the best advice. I sat it myself a few years ago. Not that bad but be awake:)

Einstein · 03-08-2010 02:37PM

Poloman wrote: »

No. You have to have passed maths (at ordinary level) and you need two higher C's as far as I know.

EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS
You must have passed at least five subjects including mathematics and with a minimum Grade C in at least two Higher Level papers in a Leaving Certificate or hold a comparable award at Level 5 on the National Framework of Qualifications (NFQ).

Eligibility will be extended to holders of other awards including foreign qualifications that signify at least comparable learning.

yes I did indeed see that thanks,

My point is that lots of careers that require maths from LC take into account the mature applicant and make decisions based on previous work etc.

TPMP · 03-08-2010 03:47PM

I did an awful LC. Did foundation Irish and Maths. But I assume ''hold a comparable award at Level 5 on the National Framework of Qualifications (NFQ)'' would include a FETAC level 5 certificate?

someday2010 · 03-08-2010 04:22PM

I would feel quite uneasy if I was sitting in a plane in crowded air space and I heard that the person responsible for making sure it doesnt bang into another plane didnt pass Pass leaving cert maths.

In previous years have successful trainees tended to be 3rd level Grads or people with a leaving cert alone?

TPMP · 03-08-2010 07:36PM

someday2010 wrote: »

I would feel quite uneasy if I was sitting in a plane in crowded air space and I heard that the person responsible for making sure it doesnt bang into another plane didnt pass Pass leaving cert maths.

In previous years have successful trainees tended to be 3rd level Grads or people with a leaving cert alone?

I dont see what maths has to do with it. Surely having the ability to keep calm under pressure is much more important? Its like Cristiano Ronaldo being rejected from Real Madrid because he didnt do maths at a high enough standard..

McGrath5 · 03-08-2010 08:14PM

Ive been trying to submit the application for the past couple of days now, when i hit submit it just brings me back to the top of the page, anybody else having this problem?

someday2010 · 03-08-2010 08:19PM

TPMP wrote: »

I dont see what maths has to do with it. Surely having the ability to keep calm under pressure is much more important? Its like Cristiano Ronaldo being rejected from Real Madrid because he didnt do maths at a high enough standard..

Being calm is just one but no point being calm when your crap at maths and spatial reasoning! You dont see what maths has to do with it! - Basically planes need to be separated in 3 dimension by a numerical quantity so a good understaanding of geometry, numeracy and spatial reasoning is really really important.

They specifically ask on the application form for you Leaving Cert Maths grade.

By the way the analogy to Christiano Rondalo, Maths and Real Madrid and an Air Traffic Controller is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard!

''Figures this week from the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) reveal that the top 10pc of Irish air traffic controllers in Ireland are earning between €170,000 to €230,000 a year, while the average pay is €160,000. '' -

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/irish-controllers-get-double-the-us-pay-packet-2024487.html

bazzachazza · 03-08-2010 09:48PM

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance

Einstein · 04-08-2010 09:27AM

someday2010 wrote: »

I would feel quite uneasy if I was sitting in a plane in crowded air space and I heard that the person responsible for making sure it doesnt bang into another plane didnt pass Pass leaving cert maths.

In previous years have successful trainees tended to be 3rd level Grads or people with a leaving cert alone?

Not being able to pass maths due to sh!t teachers and hating school bears no resemblance to not understanding whats required to do specific jobs at this point in my life. If you enjoy something, you learn it a lot easier, when you apply it something you have a distinct interest in.

nevevix · 04-08-2010 04:17PM

the big kahuna- just apply. ur not gonna get passed the interview so u mite aswell just submit an application....
im not being a bitch, but there is not a chance u will get passed the interview coz even if ur aptitude is perfect- they want people who are motivated etc & u clearly arent

Jammyc · 04-08-2010 07:32PM

nevevix wrote: »

the big kahuna- just apply. ur not gonna get passed the interview so u mite aswell just submit an application....
im not being a bitch, but there is not a chance u will get passed the interview coz even if ur aptitude is perfect- they want people who are motivated etc & u clearly arent

Balls to that. You do realise it is possible to be motivated and enthusiastic about something without throwing yourself into financial peril for it. Give the guy a break.

I say go for it. Might as well get as far as you can and then decide at a later stage.

donkey balls · 04-08-2010 08:42PM

QF do the physcometric testing for their flight crew the same as a ATCO it is broken down into sections,from reading small paragraphs to doing spatial reasoning tests etc.

as for having maths in the LC i dont think it would matter that much i remember while doing my class1 med there was a guy who was getting a job with Ryanair and he told me that he failed most of his gcse.

while flying you listen out to other acft and build up a three dimensional picture of were the other traffic is relative to your position.

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