Air traffic controller jobs

oglaigh

Just as a heads up for those who are interested. IAA will be advertising for positions in the Air Traffic Controller Programme from the 29th of July. Applications are being accepted until the 18th of August.

Good luck to anyone who's going for it:)

Jammyc

Got the letter in the post today. Gonna apply at least. If I get through the Aptitude test, I'll then decide wether to drop out of college or not if I'm offered. Doubt it though. Sure it'll be an experience.

highlydebased

Jammyc wrote: »

Got the letter in the post today. Gonna apply at least. If I get through the Aptitude test, I'll then decide wether to drop out of college or not if I'm offered. Doubt it though. Sure it'll be an experience.

Also got the letter. I'll be in a similar situation to you..

Omega28

do u need any qualifications to apply?

Also how do u go about applying?

thanks

Melion

Where are they going to be advertising the positions?

jenga-jen

DyanMc111 / Melion

The jobs will appear here: http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=98&n=126

They will be open for applications from July 29th until noon on August 18th [just as oglaigh stated] and they've specified in the letters sent out that they're accepting online applications only.

It's unlikely that any extra information will be put in the printed ads in newspapers that won't appear on the website above so if I was you I'd just have a look here on Thursday

G'luck!

highlydebased

Dylanmc111 wrote: »

do u need any qualifications to apply?

Also how do u go about applying?

thanks

"Applicants must be 19 years of age and have a Leaving Certificate with five passes (including Maths) with a Grade C in at least two higher level papers. An equivalent second level qualification may be acceptable."

shanemort

What type of Salary are you taking about when fully trained and in the Job

Danbo!

God damn colour blindness

Jammyc

Just a question,

the medical to be an ATCO. What are the requirements? Is it a Class 1 Medical or what?

lintdrummer

I also got a letter in the post this week. Will be going for the aptitude test and sure we'll see what happens!

shanemort wrote: »

What type of Salary are you taking about when fully trained and in the Job

Well it's around €19,000 allowance p.a. while training (which takes 2 years) according to IAA website.

It doesn't give any indication of salary though as far as i can see.

A friend told me he knows a guy who has qualified this year and is starting at 45k.

That's just word of mouth, wouldn't take it as gospel.

watch999

My brother is interested in applying for one of these positions but with a mortgage and other commitments etc he is worried whether its do-able for 2 years on approx 18k.

Is there anyone here who can tell me about the format of the training?
Will it be similiar to school/college as in 9-5 Mon- Friday or is the course more intense hour-wise?

Do ye think he would be able to work part time at weekends or is the course so intensive that all his time would have to be devoted?

Is there any holidays during the 2 year term?

Thanks guys

jenga-jen

watch999 wrote: »

My brother is interested in applying for one of these positions but with a mortgage and other commitments etc he is worried whether its do-able for 2 years on approx 18k.

Is there anyone here who can tell me about the format of the training?
Will it be similiar to school/college as in 9-5 Mon- Friday or is the course more intense hour-wise?

Do ye think he would be able to work part time at weekends or is the course so intensive that all his time would have to be devoted?

Is there any holidays during the 2 year term?

Thanks guys

The info given officially on the training format is at: http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=98&n=382

This details pretty much week by week how the training will be set out. As far as I know, the lecture/study periods are run in normal office hours in the training facility. Other than that I'm not too sure about the On-Job Training section as to whether that will be shift or not.

From what I've heard from people studying with NATS in the UK there's a good amount of self study to be done while you're training so it'd depend on him whether he could work part time.

It might be worth him looking into taking a 'holiday' from his mortgage. Most banks if you have a good history with them will allow you to take a 1-2 break from mortgage payments in which he would only have to pay the interest. This would probably make the 18k go further

Maybe someone else can help you with more detail on the training/leave from experience but the above link might help with the general outline.

bazzachazza

As far as I know, the lecture/study periods are run in normal office hours in the training facility. Other than that I'm not too sure about the On-Job Training section as to whether that will be shift or not.

Alternate employment is strictly NOT allowed.

OJTI will be on shift work.

All students can expect to be based in Shannon for there initial portion of the careers until a transfer becomes available for Dublin or Cork. Which can take up to 10 years+ to get.

Jammyc

Didnt realise it would be such a fecker of an application form. Ok this is gonna take a while.

donkey balls

Jammyc wrote: »

Just a question,

the medical to be an ATCO. What are the requirements? Is it a Class 1 Medical or what?

class 1 afaik

.danindudlin

This seems quite odd. Seriously impacts your salary for the first 4 years :

Students will incur no liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
- Where they have their training contract terminated by the Authority
- Where Students terminate their training contract prior to the achievement of a rating
- Where Students are not offered employment with the Authority
Students will incur liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
(a) Where they achieve an ICAO rating they will repay partial training costs of €50,000. Deductions will commence on attainment of the ICAO rating at the rate of €500 per fortnight until paid in full.
(b) Where they achieve a rating and subsequently terminate their training contract prior to an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the Irish Aviation Authority they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(c) Where Students achieve a rating and refuse an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the IAA they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(d) Where Students accept employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the
Authority and subsequently serve for less than 4 years they will be
required to repay partial training costs as follows, in addition to any
balance outstanding from application of paragraph (a) above:
Service as an ATCO (Operational)
Less than 1 year €35,000
1 to 2 years €25,000
2 to 3 years €15,000
3 to 4 years €5,000

donkey balls

.danindudlin wrote: »

This seems quite odd. Seriously impacts your salary for the first 4 years :

Students will incur no liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
- Where they have their training contract terminated by the Authority
- Where Students terminate their training contract prior to the achievement of a rating
- Where Students are not offered employment with the Authority
Students will incur liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
(a) Where they achieve an ICAO rating they will repay partial training costs of €50,000. Deductions will commence on attainment of the ICAO rating at the rate of €500 per fortnight until paid in full.
(b) Where they achieve a rating and subsequently terminate their training contract prior to an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the Irish Aviation Authority they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(c) Where Students achieve a rating and refuse an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the IAA they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(d) Where Students accept employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the
Authority and subsequently serve for less than 4 years they will be
required to repay partial training costs as follows, in addition to any
balance outstanding from application of paragraph (a) above:
Service as an ATCO (Operational)
Less than 1 year €35,000
1 to 2 years €25,000
2 to 3 years €15,000
3 to 4 years €5,000

nothing new there it is just like a training bond that some airlines put in their contracts,you got to remember once you get a rating you can go any where in the world. also the class 1 med is 600e which is also covered by the IAA.

deaglan169

anyone having problems submitting their application mine wont go through i press select and it just refreshes the page tried IE aswell as Mozilla

jenga-jen

I'm having trouble as well. It refreshes the page and if I scroll down it marks the 2-4 sections of 'Third Level Education' as 'Required!'!?!

How many qualifications do they want?!

gilmore

.danindudlin wrote: »

This seems quite odd. Seriously impacts your salary for the first 4 years :

Students will incur no liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
- Where they have their training contract terminated by the Authority
- Where Students terminate their training contract prior to the achievement of a rating
- Where Students are not offered employment with the Authority
Students will incur liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
(a) Where they achieve an ICAO rating they will repay partial training costs of €50,000. Deductions will commence on attainment of the ICAO rating at the rate of €500 per fortnight until paid in full.
(b) Where they achieve a rating and subsequently terminate their training contract prior to an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the Irish Aviation Authority they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(c) Where Students achieve a rating and refuse an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the IAA they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(d) Where Students accept employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the
Authority and subsequently serve for less than 4 years they will be
required to repay partial training costs as follows, in addition to any
balance outstanding from application of paragraph (a) above:
Service as an ATCO (Operational)
Less than 1 year €35,000
1 to 2 years €25,000
2 to 3 years €15,000
3 to 4 years €5,000

Anyone know what kind of money you'd be earning once you're qualified?
€500 per fortnight is a huge amount of money to be paying back for 4 years. Also, would this be a deduction from net or gross pay? Thanks in advance.

donkey balls

afaik starting off it's about 40/50k it then goes up with service/experience upto about 140k

bazzachazza

donkey balls wrote: »

afaik starting off it's about 40/50k it then goes up with service/experience upto about 140k

Incorrect.

After graduation €60000 approx pa up to max €108000 for controller or €115000 as a station manager.

zig

depressing to think how many will be actually applying for this but ill give it a go anyway

Gumbo

donkey balls wrote: »

afaik starting off it's about 40/50k it then goes up with service/experience upto about 140k

bazzachazza wrote: »

Incorrect.

After graduation €60000 approx pa up to max €108000 for controller or €115000 as a station manager.

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance. All Students who successfully complete all aspects of the Student Controller Programme and are offered a contract as an Operational Air Traffic Controller will start at the minimum of the salary scale €50,805.

bazzachazza

kceire wrote: »

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance. All Students who successfully complete all aspects of the Student Controller Programme and are offered a contract as an Operational Air Traffic Controller will start at the minimum of the salary scale €50,805.

+27% shift allowance = €64522. They will start on that, shift allowance IS included in pay.;)

Shelga

Got the letter today too, just finished my Engineering degree and would love this job! Agree with whoever said it's depressing to think how many will be applying for it though... Does anyone have an idea of what the aptitude test entails?

donkey balls

Shelga wrote: »

Got the letter today too, just finished my Engineering degree and would love this job! Agree with whoever said it's depressing to think how many will be applying for it though... Does anyone have an idea of what the aptitude test entails?

yep

donkey balls

they do physcometric tests& spatial awarness tests etc like some airlines do

gilmore

kceire wrote: »

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance. All Students who successfully complete all aspects of the Student Controller Programme and are offered a contract as an Operational Air Traffic Controller will start at the minimum of the salary scale €50,805.

Anyone know the criteria for progression up the salary scale? Is it just tied into length of service or extra ratings qualifications or both? Thanks.

banner gal

zig wrote: »

depressing to think how many will be actually applying for this but ill give it a go anyway

1387 applied in 2007 for 24 places somehow id say it could double this time round
this info is on the iaa web site faq section
worth a try but will be tough process, fingers crossed

the beerhunter

bazzachazza wrote: »

Alternate employment is strictly NOT allowed.

tell that to the part-time bookie or regional radio newsreader who came through a recent scp class :eek:

SeaFields

banner gal wrote: »

1387 applied in 2007 for 24 places somehow id say it could double this time round

i'd say more likely 13870 this time round!

zig

banner gal wrote: »

1387 applied in 2007 for 24 places somehow id say it could double this time round
this info is on the iaa web site faq section
worth a try but will be tough process, fingers crossed

my friend got a job the last time, so reading those figures makes me respect her ALOT!! yea I guess all you can do in these situations is your best, they probably have a certain person in mind for a job like this and Id say it doesnt matter how into planes you are, whether you've got a ppl or cpl or not, or whether you've worked on aircraft or not, itll be your attitude and aptitude that will be the key will be the key. Tbf, id say a good 50% of those applicants would be non serious applicants if you get me, just people with no proper interest throwing the name in.

jenga-jen

To anyone concerned about the number of irish applicants:

Don't forget, if this is your dream job and you're not too bothered about relocating then NATS in the UK tend to recruit more often.

And, rumour has it, if you have the aptitude for it they tend to take you on since they don't seem to have such strict restrictions on numbers.

http://atcocareers.co.uk/

It's a 3 stage process: S1 & S2 are aptitude tests and S3 is a technical interview with the training based in Bournemouth and a choice between Area or Aerodrome control [subject to business needs].

Jammyc

Realised a while ago, I'm 1 day too young to apply. 1 DAY!

Damnit.....

ch252

I'm pretty sure it's a class 3 medical, it's class 1 in the UK definitely but IIRC I was told it was a class 3

jenga-jen

Jammyc wrote: »

Realised a while ago, I'm 1 day too young to apply. 1 DAY!

Damnit.....

I would contact HR directly in relation to this. The age restriction is due to the fact that you have to be 21 in order to hold the licence upon graduation. For the sake of 1 day I'd be amazed if you were disqualified.

That said, due to the sheer volume of candidates they may be ridiculously strict so don't get your hopes up.

But IMO it's definitely worth a try to ask and see if anything can be done.

G'luck!

SkyFest Airshow

darragh-k wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's a class 3 medical, it's class 1 in the UK definitely but IIRC I was told it was a class 3

That's correct. Class 1 is just for commercial pilots etc.

donkey balls

SkyFest Airshow wrote: »

That's correct. Class 1 is just for commercial pilots etc.

nope you need a class 1 med my mates father is a ATCO instructer in bally casey

globemaster1986

donkey balls wrote: »

nope you need a class 1 med my mates father is a ATCO instructer in bally casey

No, it's a Class 3 medical.

http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?n=208&p=139

http://www.eurocontrol.int/humanfactors/public/standard_page/ATM_Competence_Licensing.html

someday2010

For anyone that wants to listen to nearly live atc go to

http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=international-eu

Theres usually a feed from Dublin and Shannon

Is ATC an extemely stressful job in which people can suffer burnout or is that just a myth?

hubba

I've just submitted my application. Holy god. What have I done? (mid life crisis application!). :eek:

bombs away

At the moment controllers require a class 3 medical although there was some discussion not to far back about bringing in similar medicals to commercial pilot standard (i.e. Class 1).

the_big_kahuna

watch999 wrote: »

My brother is interested in applying for one of these positions but with a mortgage and other commitments etc he is worried whether its do-able for 2 years on approx 18k.

This is similar to myself. I'm undecided whether to apply as a result.

I live in Kildare and have a mortgage. 18k per annum for the 2 years would be very tough if I couldn't work part time at weekends or something. I'd want to be based in Dublin at the end of it, and this is obviously not guaranteed.



what to do, what to do?

Einstein

I have no clue what my LC results are...left school about 14 years ago. I know I failed maths though...is there even any point in me applying?

Poloman

Einstein wrote: »

I have no clue what my LC results are...left school about 14 years ago. I know I failed maths though...is there even any point in me applying?

No. You have to have passed maths (at ordinary level) and you need two higher C's as far as I know.

EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS
You must have passed at least five subjects including mathematics and with a minimum Grade C in at least two Higher Level papers in a Leaving Certificate or hold a comparable award at Level 5 on the National Framework of Qualifications (NFQ).

Eligibility will be extended to holders of other awards including foreign qualifications that signify at least comparable learning.

someday2010

Anyone know where I could get a sample copy of the written aptitude tests for these jobs?

Does everyone meeting the educational and other entry requirements get to sit the aptitude tests?

Sisu200

someday2010 wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get a sample copy of the written aptitude tests for these jobs? QUOTE]


Computer based tests, I can guarantee there are no sample that can be got, sat this test the last time it came around, my advise to anyone sitting this apptitude test is get a good nights sleep before it, best of luck to you all.

Beeker

Sisu200 wrote: »

someday2010 wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get a sample copy of the written aptitude tests for these jobs? QUOTE]


Computer based tests, I can guarantee there are no sample that can be got, sat this test the last time it came around, my advise to anyone sitting this apptitude test is get a good nights sleep before it, best of luck to you all.

Thats the best advice. I sat it myself a few years ago. Not that bad but be awake:)

Einstein

Poloman wrote: »

No. You have to have passed maths (at ordinary level) and you need two higher C's as far as I know.

EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS
You must have passed at least five subjects including mathematics and with a minimum Grade C in at least two Higher Level papers in a Leaving Certificate or hold a comparable award at Level 5 on the National Framework of Qualifications (NFQ).

Eligibility will be extended to holders of other awards including foreign qualifications that signify at least comparable learning.

yes I did indeed see that thanks,

My point is that lots of careers that require maths from LC take into account the mature applicant and make decisions based on previous work etc.